Gale, You said, *"The Dunker minister during this time frame was Elder Philip Younce of the Brush Creek branch or arm of the church. It is very unlikely that a pre 1850's Dunker minister would have preformed a marriage for parties who had no connections with the church."* Then, what of John Brower, who married many couples in Preble and I believe, Montgomery counties? Would that have been a different area of jurisdiction? Are you familiar with this John Brower? The Preble County early marriage records list him as performing a number of marriages. Also - am I correct in thinking YOUNCE was distinct from YOUNG at this time / place? Thank you, Melanie On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:01 PM, <ghoneyman@woh.rr.com> wrote: > Melanie, > Your Sherow's lived in the lower portion of Miami County OH. The Dunker > minister during this time frame was Elder Philip Younce of the Brush Creek > branch or arm of the church. It is very unlikely that a pre 1850's Dunker > minister would have preformed a marriage for parties who had no connections > with the church. > Gale > >

I apologize for asking this same question again. The first time, I quickly received 3 very helpful replies and then a long silence. I think somehow I was then disconnected from this list and maybe missed some information. As well, the recent discussion raises interesting issues and questions I would like to pursue. I am trying to identify the parents and origin of Charles and Mary (unknown) Roszel. Charles and his brother Joseph were taxpayers in Newton Twp., Sussex Co., New Jersey starting in 1774. Charles and Mary had 13 children, all born there, beginning in 1880. They moved to Lincoln Co. Upper Canada (near Smithville in Niagara region of Ontario now) in 1799. Charles reported on census his nationality was German and religion was "Tunker". There is indication Charles could read and write both German and English. Responding to my first questions, Mr. Rummel confirmed that there had been a migration of Dunkers and Mennonites to that area in Canada at that time and mentioned the Amwell Church in Hunterdon Co. New Jersey. Dave Sloan gave me a link to the Amwell Church and Dennis [orawhist?] informed me about "River Brethren". All very helpful. Thanks so much! Some researchers assume parents of Charles and his brother Joseph (Jr.?) were Joseph Roszel and Ann Alcott. This Joseph (Sr.?) and others in N.J. with this last name seem to descend from a Major (British likely) John Rossel who emigrated from England. Joseph Sr.'s father is thought to be a Zachariah Roszel but he has been found to have attended an Anglican Church and he is buried in the Anglican Cemetery. Is Alcott a Dunker name? In about the mid 1700s, a Roszel from N.J. migrated to Virginia near Washington DC outside Philomont, VA. His son, a young preacher, built an Anglican Chapel in their farm and was converted to Methodist when Anglicans were unwelcome after the American Revolution. The Roszell Chapel Methodist Church exists today in Philomont. Was Roszel a known Dunker name? I'm sceptical that an English speaking Anglican family, name spelled Rossel would morph into a German speaking Tunker family, name spelled Roszel. However, if that did happen, somewhere along the line someone converted from Anglican to Tunker. Was it common for others to convert to Tunker? Was it common for a husband to adopt his wife's beliefs? Regarding the spelling - is it possible that the "sz" in Roszel was originally the soft - g mentioned by Nancy Cripe? Did all the Dunkers come originally from the same group that started their faith in Schwarzenau, Germany? And did they emigrate to the New World over the same time period? There were German speaking people who had settled in other European countries, e.g. Poland, Russia, Ukraine and who became displaced persons after WW 1 and WW 2. Did these "colonies" exist in the 1700s and did any Dunkers come from these areas? About 5 years ago I met a Roszell whose family was from the area in Ohio originally settled by "Mound Indians". This Roszel wasn't into genealogy. I assumed that the connection was with the Philomont Roszels and not us. I've since lost contact. But last fall discussion on this list mentioned Dunkers had migrated to that area of Ohio. So again I wonder if there was a Dunker connection? Does anyone know if there were Roszels in that migration? Thanks to those discussing the Dunker migration on this list. I find it very interesting. Re: the one room school discussion from some time ago: I attended a one room school here in Raleigh Twp. now in the municipality of Chatham-Kent. We played "Eenie Ayenie Over" too but I thought it was a British game. Sincere thanks! Marc Roszell, Chatham, Ontario, Canada Sent from my iPad Marc Roszell > On Feb 14, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Melanie Rice <mjrice.denver@gmail.com> wrote: > > Gale, > > You said, > *"The Dunker minister during this time frame was Elder Philip Younce of the > Brush Creek branch or arm of the church. It is very unlikely that a pre > 1850's Dunker minister would have preformed a marriage for parties who had > no connections with the church."* > > Then, what of John Brower, who married many couples in Preble and I > believe, Montgomery counties? Would that have been a different area of > jurisdiction? Are you familiar with this John Brower? The Preble County > early marriage records list him as performing a number of marriages. > > Also - am I correct in thinking YOUNCE was distinct from YOUNG at this time > / place? > > Thank you, > > Melanie > > > > >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:01 PM, <ghoneyman@woh.rr.com> wrote: >> >> Melanie, >> Your Sherow's lived in the lower portion of Miami County OH. The Dunker >> minister during this time frame was Elder Philip Younce of the Brush Creek >> branch or arm of the church. It is very unlikely that a pre 1850's Dunker >> minister would have preformed a marriage for parties who had no connections >> with the church. >> Gale > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elder Philip Younce was a son of John Jans. He wasn't a Young or a Jundt (Yount). I'm trying to remember if it was said of him that he preached in English. He probably did, at least later, since he travelled a wide circuit in western Ohio, preaching to groups other than German Baptist. His wife, Margaret Burket Younce, was a midwife. You have wondered how people who were not formerly German Baptist may have become GB in west central Ohio. We have heard of it time and again on this list, of people settling among similar ethnic groups and forming new friendships and alliances. As isolated as these families were in the very early days, going to a preaching service would be highly anticipated. I suspect of a family couldn't find an example of the church left behind, they settled for as close as theycould get. I don't know about John Brower and whom he married, but I believe PhilipYounce followed GB procedures fairly closely. I have seen some letters of transfer he authored and/or signed. And I have read a lengthy transcript in which he agonized over his niece and her husband being unhappy with the way he disposed of her father's property as executor. He followed the usual and customary procedure, overseen by the court, but he didn't welcome even the smallest hint of misconduct. He was a serious man, per his grandson William H. Younts (who chose to misspell his surname.) One aspect that may not have been mentioned in discussing pastors and elders is that a "lead" elder was chosen prior to pastor days and was said to "have the oversight." You will see the term mentioned in Brethren histories. Sharon Mills ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Rice" <mjrice.denver@gmail.com> To: ghoneyman@woh.rr.com Cc: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 6:49:47 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Sherow Gale, You said, *"The Dunker minister during this time frame was Elder Philip Younce of the Brush Creek branch or arm of the church. It is very unlikely that a pre 1850's Dunker minister would have preformed a marriage for parties who had no connections with the church."* Then, what of John Brower, who married many couples in Preble and I believe, Montgomery counties? Would that have been a different area of jurisdiction? Are you familiar with this John Brower? The Preble County early marriage records list him as performing a number of marriages. Also - am I correct in thinking YOUNCE was distinct from YOUNG at this time / place? Thank you, Melanie On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:01 PM, <ghoneyman@woh.rr.com> wrote: > Melanie, > Your Sherow's lived in the lower portion of Miami County OH. The Dunker > minister during this time frame was Elder Philip Younce of the Brush Creek > branch or arm of the church. It is very unlikely that a pre 1850's Dunker > minister would have preformed a marriage for parties who had no connections > with the church. > Gale > > ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message