> > <<Someone out in the internet says that Evans Wright's father Richard Wright > (died in Rowan Co., NC) was a Primitive Baptist Minister. They did not > source the information and I forgot to keep their name in my file. > Do you know the names of the Primitive Baptist churches in Rowan Co., NC?>> > > EATON'S (FORK OF THE YADKIN) > founded in 1772, Wright family joined this one > PINEY WOODS (circa 1810s) > FLAT CREEK > > the Baptist split into Primitive and others was circa 1830s, so it's hard to > know exactly when to start to use the PB name > > > One of the things I am finding in Kentucky, those Brethren who did not join the westward migration (to Illinois, Missouri or Iowa), often they or their chidlren are later found in Primitive Baptist churches in their community - some of which seem to be the Brethren Church, (Baptist Brethren Church) - now a Primitive Baptist Church. And these include foot-washing at their communion service and a couple even report having trine-immersion baptism. Now, I am studying the Kentucky Brethren, who were "expelled" from the Brotherhood by the Annual Meeting Elders, about 1825-6 - for not obeying the decisions of Annual Meeting. Two leading Elders were put on the Ban (Adam Hostetler and Peter Hon), and the Kentucky Church disappeared. But in the 1790s (1795 and 1798) Annual Meeting did a similar thing to the Brethren in the Carolinas. Elder Jacob Stutzman moved to the Uwharrie, Rowan Co NC. He seemingly was the brother-in-law of Elder Michael Pfoutz of the Pipe Creek Church in Maryland. He wrote a letter condemning the Universalism he found prevalent among the Brethren of the Carolinas. Now, yes, Brethren Pietism included a belief in "Eternal Restoration" - that God, loving his creation, would not leave them in hell for eternity, but there would be a "restoration". This was close to, but not exactly Universalism. Elder Michael Pfoutz took the letter to the Annual Meeting. Annual Meeting placed an Elder ("John H") on the Ban. Early historians stated this was a John Hamm, but research about him does not place him as a prominent Brethren leader, not enough to be singled out, maybe not Brethren at all. Some of us feel it was Elder John Hendricks, who almost immediately (1798) sold his lands (to William Hendricks, son of Elder James Hendricks), and moved to far western Kentucky, Drakes Creek, in now Simpson Co. He and his family were strong in Universalism there and took it with them as they moved to Cape Girardeau County Missouri and to Adams Co Ilinois. It is interesting, that Elder David Martin, son of the Elder George Adam Martin, died just a few years before (1794). David Martin WAS the leader of the Pietist Eternal Restoration belief in the Carolinas, and one of the most prominent of the Carolina Elders. - but HE was dead - and we do not know what happened to the Brethren churches of the Carolinas - did some Brethren become Primitive Baptists in the Carolinas, like some did in Kentucky? This question becomes personal with me. My ancestor was the minister, Conrad Kerns, of the Crane Creek Church at Salisbury, Rowan Co NC. He was alive during the Revolution (in the militia, guarded the jaol in Salisbury, with his son Adam, with his brother, the minister Johan Kerns, and with Elder James Hendricks, son-in-law of the Elder Gaspar Roland) - but what happened to him? (died 1812, Salisbury). I have not been able to find out. Adam (and other siblings) went to the Hinkston Creek Church in Nicholas Co KY, then Adam and his family are found in Lawrence and Monroe Cos IN, Adam as a Bishop of the Disciples of Christ, his children as leaders of the "Brethren Association" which took those Brethren into the Disciples Church. James Hendricks seems to have died at Crane Creek about this time (1787), and some of his children went to the Hinkston Creek Church (largest Brethren Church in Kentucky), and I sort of lose track of them there (the family) - (there is a spare James Hendricks at Drakes Creek, but I think this is not the same group). The Hinkston Creek Church became the Old Union Christian Church. So, What happened to these "expelled" Brethren of the Carolinas? When I preached there (built the Friendship Church, North Wilkesboro, back in 1957-58 - with lumber from Lowes!), the Brethren Churches in Carolina were not these original Churches. We really didn't know what happened to them. Merle C Rummel

Merle, There were three Brethren churches west of the Catawba River. The earliest church, Killians Meeting House, later became regular Baptist and was located in eastern Lincoln County. It began in the middle 1750's with Christopher Guise (variously spelled) and Abraham Earhard as ministers. Mountain View Baptist has an older cemetery which is the remnants of Lebanon Lutheran Church. Lebanon was a later Lutheran church of Killians Meeting House. Evidence suggests that Killians Meeting House was originally a union church of Lutheran, Reformed, and Brethren. Rev. Lemuel Saunders, apparently a regular Baptist, came to minister to the remains of the Brethren at Killians Meeting House after the American Revolution. Many Brethren moved away just before, during and after the Revolution. Some were Tories and Neutrals and some just moved. Two other Brethren churches located in western Lincoln and western Catawba County were both named Thessalonica. Their ministers were Henry Rhodes and Lorentz Linhardt. I believe that members of the Thessalonica located in present western Lincoln County joined Mt. Zion Baptist Church near present Cherryville in present Gaston County. Many of the Catawba County members of Thessalonica, the Millers and Bakers, moved to Cape Girardeau Missouri where Peter Baker established a Brethren congregation around 1800, the Whitewater congregation. They intermingled with the Rowan and Uwarrhi (spelling) Hendricks. The Catawba County Thessalonica Church also became regular Baptist Church. The two Thessalonica Brethren churches were served by Henry Rhodes and Lorentz Linhardt. Both died in early 1830's and apparently no other Brethren ministers served these congregations. Members apparently then joined regular Baptist churches. More research needs to be done on these churches. I have seen no evidence that the Brethren Church even recognizes Linhardt and Rhodes as ministers. I have primary documentation that they were Dunker/Tunker ministers. I am not at all certain about the Rowan and Stanley County, NC churches. Hope this helps, Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Wright Family - Wayne Co., KY/Rowan Co., NC > >> >> <<Someone out in the internet says that Evans Wright's father Richard >> Wright >> (died in Rowan Co., NC) was a Primitive Baptist Minister. They did not >> source the information and I forgot to keep their name in my file. >> Do you know the names of the Primitive Baptist churches in Rowan Co., >> NC?>> >> >> EATON'S (FORK OF THE YADKIN) >> founded in 1772, Wright family joined this one >> PINEY WOODS (circa 1810s) >> FLAT CREEK >> >> the Baptist split into Primitive and others was circa 1830s, so it's >> hard to >> know exactly when to start to use the PB name >> >> >> > One of the things I am finding in Kentucky, those Brethren who did not > join the westward migration (to Illinois, Missouri or Iowa), often they > or their chidlren are later found in Primitive Baptist churches in their > community - some of which seem to be the Brethren Church, (Baptist > Brethren Church) - now a Primitive Baptist Church. And these include > foot-washing at their communion service and a couple even report having > trine-immersion baptism. > > Now, I am studying the Kentucky Brethren, who were "expelled" from the > Brotherhood by the Annual Meeting Elders, about 1825-6 - for not obeying > the decisions of Annual Meeting. Two leading Elders were put on the Ban > (Adam Hostetler and Peter Hon), and the Kentucky Church disappeared. > But in the 1790s (1795 and 1798) Annual Meeting did a similar thing to > the Brethren in the Carolinas. Elder Jacob Stutzman moved to the > Uwharrie, Rowan Co NC. He seemingly was the brother-in-law of Elder > Michael Pfoutz of the Pipe Creek Church in Maryland. He wrote a letter > condemning the Universalism he found prevalent among the Brethren of the > Carolinas. Now, yes, Brethren Pietism included a belief in "Eternal > Restoration" - that God, loving his creation, would not leave them in > hell for eternity, but there would be a "restoration". This was close > to, but not exactly Universalism. Elder Michael Pfoutz took the letter > to the Annual Meeting. Annual Meeting placed an Elder ("John H") on the > Ban. Early historians stated this was a John Hamm, but research about > him does not place him as a prominent Brethren leader, not enough to be > singled out, maybe not Brethren at all. Some of us feel it was Elder > John Hendricks, who almost immediately (1798) sold his lands (to William > Hendricks, son of Elder James Hendricks), and moved to far western > Kentucky, Drakes Creek, in now Simpson Co. He and his family were > strong in Universalism there and took it with them as they moved to Cape > Girardeau County Missouri and to Adams Co Ilinois. > > It is interesting, that Elder David Martin, son of the Elder George Adam > Martin, died just a few years before (1794). David Martin WAS the > leader of the Pietist Eternal Restoration belief in the Carolinas, and > one of the most prominent of the Carolina Elders. - but HE was dead - > and we do not know what happened to the Brethren churches of the > Carolinas - did some Brethren become Primitive Baptists in the > Carolinas, like some did in Kentucky? > > This question becomes personal with me. My ancestor was the minister, > Conrad Kerns, of the Crane Creek Church at Salisbury, Rowan Co NC. He > was alive during the Revolution (in the militia, guarded the jaol in > Salisbury, with his son Adam, with his brother, the minister Johan > Kerns, and with Elder James Hendricks, son-in-law of the Elder Gaspar > Roland) - but what happened to him? (died 1812, Salisbury). I have not > been able to find out. Adam (and other siblings) went to the Hinkston > Creek Church in Nicholas Co KY, then Adam and his family are found in > Lawrence and Monroe Cos IN, Adam as a Bishop of the Disciples of Christ, > his children as leaders of the "Brethren Association" which took those > Brethren into the Disciples Church. James Hendricks seems to have died > at Crane Creek about this time (1787), and some of his children went to > the Hinkston Creek Church (largest Brethren Church in Kentucky), and I > sort of lose track of them there (the family) - (there is a spare James > Hendricks at Drakes Creek, but I think this is not the same group). The > Hinkston Creek Church became the Old Union Christian Church. > > So, What happened to these "expelled" Brethren of the Carolinas? When I > preached there (built the Friendship Church, North Wilkesboro, back in > 1957-58 - with lumber from Lowes!), the Brethren Churches in Carolina > were not these original Churches. We really didn't know what happened > to them. > > Merle C Rummel > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >