There is a good chance that Johann Philip Mack, oldest child of George Conrad, also came to America. The following records are for a church in New Holland, a city in Earl Twp., Lancaster Co., PA. This is the same area that the two Mack women lived in when they married the two Kitzmiller men. "Trinity Lutheran Church records, Lancaster, Pennsylvania," Vol. 1, 1730-1767 (1988): Appendix, pages 424-425. Philip Mauck and wife Philippine. Son, Philip Georg, b. 22 Nov 1744, bp. 25 Nov 1744. Sponsors -- Philip Mauer and Joh. George. Philip Mauck and wife Philippine. Daughter, Anna Barbara, b. 15 Jan 1746, bp. 26 Jan 1746. Sponsors -- Phil. Mauer, Val. Kroninger and A. Bretzin. This Philip Mauck apparently had just arrived in America. There is a Johann Philippes [sic?] Mauck listed as a passenger on the ship Phoenix, which arrived in Philadelphia on 20 Oct 1744. What's troublesome is that Philip would have had very little time to form friendships with people before Philip George was born 22 Nov 1744, yet he didn't use any of the Kitzmiller people as sponsors. If you assume that he moved to that area of America to be near his mother and sister, it seems really strange that he wouldn't use them as sponsors for his children. There is a listing for estate records in Lancaster Co., PA for Philip Mauke in 1747. I haven't ordered these yet but I assume that it's the same guy who had children baptized in Trinity Lutheran Church. This would mean that he died young, at about age 49, similar to what apparently happened to George Conrad Mack. David Myers ____________________________________________________________ Click here for great computer networking solutions! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oHgNAe1BQ8noe2PIvtzfgebOKGcE2oJ4dIiKanhhjUZG6QA/