Hello Merle, I am fascinated at the work you are doing toward preparing your BOOKI  I would very much like to give you the various surnames that my husband's ancestor - Francis Stump-David Washabaugh have developed as direct lines and collaterals. Will you put my name on your list for purchase as soon as it is available?  Meanwhile, Best of luck MaryE(liz)abeth Campbell Stump ----- Original Message ---- From: Merle C Rummel <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:02:18 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Families et al > Merle--thank you for posting this Fouts/Pfautz information.  Would you  > please clarify your comments about this information being used to  > track Brethren families going to Kentucky.  Are ALL of these  > individuals known to be Brethren?  Or perhaps are they predominately  > Brethren?  Or are only those identified specifically as Brethren  > identified as such.  Your response will be quite helpful to me in  > future research. >  I have some references to these families in connection to communities where there were Brethren Churches, there are indications that many if not most of these were Brethren when they left the east.  Some of them fought in the Revolution - and as such were rejected by their home families or Churches.  Many, if not most of these, had already left the central Brethren areas of eastern Pennsylvania and Maryland.  There are indications that they considered themselves Brethren, even after Annual Meeting "ejected" them (as some said). I do not have any listing giving Church Members in the Brethren Churches - there is almost NO record of these churches at all.  (In Jessamine Co KY - they were called "Moravians" - but they came from Brethren communities back in Maryland, and their children, as they moved north across the Ohio River, were Brethren).  Yes, I have identified those about whom I have found information indicating that they were Brethren. I am basing these choice of families on given connections to Brethren (usually back in Pennsylvania/Maryland - but sometimes in the Carolinas - or when some of the children or grandchildren are given as Brethren when they move on west.  I have started to make family connections by marriage (but far from complete) - yes, I have them indexed - and am working from that  (this has helped me identify names that have been given as connected to Brethren Churches, or in Brethren communities - as husbands of daughters in these families).  I am not attempting to give full family sheet information.  On the children in each family - I am trying to name all the children, given their birth and death years, the marriage -to whom, and the place of residence (at least where they died) (no -not the place of marriage).  I am well aware, that children will marry, and join the church of their spouse. In some cases, this is because their own family has left the Brethren -and my book will tell about Brethren Churches who became Christian Churches - or Methodist Churches - primarily because.Annual Meeting "rejected" them or "ejected" them. My research in Kentucky does find some of these family names listed as members of churches in the vicinities where there seems to have been Brethren Church groups.  I am hoping to identify some of these children/grandchildren as early names on membership lists of these later churches (Baptist - Christian - Methodist). I am showing migration on west (Illinois - Missouri - Iowa, mostly) hoping there will be identification of some of these, as Brethren who moved west.  I already know that some of them are Christian (Disciples of Christ, mostly) and others Universalist - whether they remained locally, or were of those who moved on. I do not include one Miller family yet.  I found it in some information among the southern Indiana counties, where these early Brethren Churches were located - their own family group identifies them as Dunkers, from the Carolinas, very soon after 1800.  They became involved in the Revival, and joined the New Lights (a group that helped form the Christian Church).  I have not yet received information from the family reunion. But this is the basic theme in much of my research - these were Brethren (I'm finding enough that I am naming them as fundamentally Pietists - part of our Brethren origin).  As a result of the New Madrid Earthquake, with the resulting Revival, resulted in differences between these and the Eastern Brethren, who began to move west after 1820 (the opening of the National Road - 1826 -to Richmond IN - 1837 to the Mississippi).  Annual Meeting rejected these, when they refused to accept "new traditions" established by the Annual Meeting Elders during and following the Revolution (the Anabaptist part of our heritage).  These "Frontier Brethren" (and only a few of them become identified with the "Far Western Brethren" - of northern Illinois, of about 1850) then find religious associations with others of like faith - some of them are New Lights and Campbellites (the Christian Church), some are Methodists (an English form of Pietism), some are Universalists, others remain Baptist (our name then was "Baptist Brethren" - only in 1830 did we adopt the name "German Baptist Brethren") and associate with English Baptists who have moved into the local communities (in many cases these still retain some of the distinctive Brethren Practices) - and some move on west - as Brethren - or not as Brethren any more. Several years go - I did a similar presentation of what were suspected Brethren Communities in Kentucky -with some names attached to each - these are the culmination of that study.  The "book" is still being worked on - this is just an attempt -for those of you who have information -to keep me from making serious errors (I do like my books to be accurate!) Merle C Rummel                               ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN                               ------------------------                         Support Our Sponsoring Agency             The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com                               ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message