Dwayne, I think that you may be getting closer here. I don't see any indication from the German verbiage that Mariahlosel was Christophel's wife. My German-English dictionary says that Weib is a woman, not a wife, so this Mariahlosel may be a woman who is unrelated to Christophel. On the other hand, sein (German for his) might have been misread as swin so the phrase might be "and his Woman the [sh.]," which seems like an odd designation for someone like Alexander Mack, Jr. to use, but perhaps he did. David Myers On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:27:32 -0500 "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: > David, > > As a follow-up, there was a Marylis Lisley on the Ship Allen who was > a > daughter of Peter Lisley. There were other Lisley women, some of > them too > young to be listed. These Lisley women tended to become celibates > at > Ephrata and died there along with a number of Lisley men, including > their > father Peter. In looking through the list of the Ephrata members, I > cannot > find the daughter named Marylis, nor can I find the name of > Christopher > Kalcklöser with the other Kalcklöser men and women who lived and > died at > Ephrata. > > Dwayne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Christophel Kalckglasser, m. Maria Mack > > > David, > > What Alexander Mack Jr. recorded in his list of deaths was (as > transcribed > in English): "Bro. Christopher Kalckloeser and his wife, the > sister." > (Source: The Day Book/Account Book of Alexander Mack, Jr. > (1712-1803), > Kutztown, The Pennsylvania German Society, 2004, p. 95. The > transcription > in German (p. 33) is much more interesting: "Br Christophel > Kalckglöser und > swin Weib die sh. Mariahlösel." This could explain the entry in > Brumbaugh. > > Do you suspect that there were two marriages: first, Maria Mack, > and > second, Maria Leisel, or that there were two Christopher > Kalckloesers? In > my opinion, Christopher was married to Maria Mack when they came > over on the > Ship Allen. I say this for two reasons. First there is the matter > of the > marriage record which we have uncovered. Second there was the > positioning > of the wives and other women on the Ship: Maria [nee Mack?] > Kalklieser was > next to Anna Margaret Mackin who in turn was next to Phillipina > Mackin (see > List A). I believe that all three of these Mack women were sisters, > although I don't know who their parents were. > > This Kalckglöser family is extremely difficult to figure out. If > you look > at Brumbaugh, p. 399, you will find a "Ludwig Kalckglaeser and wife" > in a > list of the early Conestoga Brethren. Their identities are > explained by no > one to my knowledge. Usually the men's names include Johann > Heinrich, > Christoffel, and Emmanuel.......but Ludwig?????? Who was he? > > Dwayne Wrightsman