One of the things I would like to do is establish where the specific references to Anna Margaret Schneider occur. Here is what I have so far. "Counting the Cost" -- William G. Willoughby (1979): Page 114 -- John Mack married "Joanna (Anna) Margaret Suderein from Germany on February 26 [1725]." Page 152, Chronology -- "1725, AM performs three weddings, including that of his son John to Joanna Margaret Suderein." Page 153, Genealogy -- "John [Mack], 1703 -- ?", married "Anna Margaret Suderein, 1725." "Alexander Mack the Tunker and Descendants" -- Rev. Freeman Ankrum (1943): Page 48 -- Johannes Mack "was married to Margaretta Sneider, likely in Germany. The Anna Margaretta Mack, whose name is upon the ship list, must likely be that of the wife of Johannes." These references are, unfortunately, not sourced in either book so I have no way to explain the mistakes, discrepancies, etc. It is well-established that the religious community headed by Alexander Mack had escaped to Holland in 1720 so it is impossible for John and Anna Margaret Mack to have gotten married in Germany as Ankrum speculates. And I don't see how he could know about the marriage without knowing this. I remember seeing references to bibles that Alexander Mack had that contain records of baptisms and marriages that he had performed but I don't know if I remember right or not. Perhaps someone else on the list will know about this. I would think that such a bible might contain a notation about this marriage. Given the handwriting of that era, Willoughby may have read Anna Margaret's surname as Suderein rather than Schneider. I do wonder about the Joanna part but he mentions that twice so it wouldn't seem to a transcription mistake. Dwayne Wrightsman says that the Jacob Mack letter, written in 1774, is found in Durnbaugh (1967) page 256, and that this letter names Jacob Schneider. I wonder if Anna Margaret's surname was considered to be Suderein up until the existence of this letter became well-known, and it was realized, after this, that Suderein must be a misreading of Schneider. I wonder if anyone on the list knows about this as well. Does anyone else have any books that reference the Anna Margaret who married Johannes Mack in 1725? Getting all of those references that I can would be a big help in pinning this down -- as much as is possible. Thanks very much. David Myers

Anna Margaret Schneider Mack - a second 1700s' reference In addition to the 1774 letter from Jacob Mack (son of John Mack) to his uncle Alexander Mack Jr. referring to his mother's brother as Jacob Schneider (Durnbaugh, 1967, p. 256), I have found a second even earlier record of the Sneider maiden name of John Mack's wife. In Durnbaugh, 1967, p. 176, Durnbaugh quotes from Morgan Edwards c1770 account of Alexander Mack Sr.: "He married Anna Margareta Kling by whom he had three children, Valentine, John, Alexander (now minister at Beggarstown) who married into the Hildebrand, Sneider, and Nise families and have raised him many grand children." Hildebrand is the maiden name of Valentine's wife; Sneider is the maiden name of John's wife; and Nise is the maiden name of Alexander Jr.'s wife. In my opinion, the Mack letter of 1774 and the Morgan Edwards c1770 account (both reported in Durnbaugh) is substantial evidence that John Mack's wife was a Sneider/Schneider. I have no idea how Willoughby got the name of Suderein, but I doubt its authenticity whether written Suderein or Sudere. That is not a surname that seems to exist outside of Willoughby's Mack context. Possibly there was a German script spelling that Willoughby saw and was unable to transcribe correctly. My advice to Mack scholars is to ignore the "Suderein" spelling. Assuming John Mack's wife was a Schneider, that might account for there being Schneider passengers on the Ship Allen in 1729, especially Jacob Sneider/Schneider who was named a brother of Anna Margaretha in the 1774 letter transcribed in Durnbaugh. What do you think, David? Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:07 AM Subject: [BRE] Anna Margaret Schneider (m. Johannes Mack) > One of the things I would like to do is establish where the specific > references to Anna Margaret Schneider occur. Here is what I have so far. > > > "Counting the Cost" -- William G. Willoughby (1979): > > Page 114 -- John Mack married "Joanna (Anna) Margaret Suderein from > Germany on February 26 [1725]." > Page 152, Chronology -- "1725, AM performs three weddings, including that > of his son John to Joanna Margaret Suderein." > Page 153, Genealogy -- "John [Mack], 1703 -- ?", married "Anna Margaret > Suderein, 1725." > > "Alexander Mack the Tunker and Descendants" -- Rev. Freeman Ankrum > (1943): > > Page 48 -- Johannes Mack "was married to Margaretta Sneider, likely in > Germany. The Anna Margaretta Mack, whose name is upon the ship list, > must likely be that of the wife of Johannes." > > > These references are, unfortunately, not sourced in either book so I have > no way to explain the mistakes, discrepancies, etc. It is > well-established that the religious community headed by Alexander Mack > had escaped to Holland in 1720 so it is impossible for John and Anna > Margaret Mack to have gotten married in Germany as Ankrum speculates. > And I don't see how he could know about the marriage without knowing > this. > > I remember seeing references to bibles that Alexander Mack had that > contain records of baptisms and marriages that he had performed but I > don't know if I remember right or not. Perhaps someone else on the list > will know about this. I would think that such a bible might contain a > notation about this marriage. Given the handwriting of that era, > Willoughby may have read Anna Margaret's surname as Suderein rather than > Schneider. I do wonder about the Joanna part but he mentions that twice > so it wouldn't seem to a transcription mistake. > > Dwayne Wrightsman says that the Jacob Mack letter, written in 1774, is > found in Durnbaugh (1967) page 256, and that this letter names Jacob > Schneider. I wonder if Anna Margaret's surname was considered to be > Suderein up until the existence of this letter became well-known, and it > was realized, after this, that Suderein must be a misreading of > Schneider. I wonder if anyone on the list knows about this as well. > > Does anyone else have any books that reference the Anna Margaret who > married Johannes Mack in 1725? Getting all of those references that I > can would be a big help in pinning this down -- as much as is possible. > Thanks very much. > > David Myers