Roberta, My question back to you is whether you think your Berchtol family is the same as the Bechtel/Bachtel families. Many of the Bechtel/Bachtel families were Mennonite, some living in Berks County, Pennsylvania. Others later became Brethren, one daughter marrying Jacob Danner, a noted Brethren leader. Some went to Washington County, Maryland, and Somerset County, Pennsylvania, with many of their descendents becoming Brethren. Dwayne's response to you about any Brethren left in Europe is accurate. However, I think memories survive in families for multiple generations, and someone who may have been exposed to Anabaptist/Pietist influences in Europe might be attracted to a community of like minded (or even related) people in America. John Shafer Oakton, VA > From: restes@comcast.net > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:35:37 -0500 > Subject: [BRE] Surhuisterveen and other Dutch locations > > I'm sorry to be so ignorant as to have to ask this question, but here goes > anyway. I know the Brethren were in Holland from the perioid of about 1720 > to 1728. Did they stay together in one group and is this the location where > they all were? Did all of the Brethren come to the US or did a remnant > church (some might say a mother church) stay there in Holland? If they did > all come, did they come at once or in waves? Did all of the Brethren who > came to the States firt go to Holland or was there still a colony in either > Schwarzenau? > > What I'm really trying to understand here is twofold. Where was my Michael > Miller with his wife Susanna Berchtol during this time. I know he was born > in Steinwenden Germany in 1692 and his wife in Ohmback Germany, and they > died in Maryland, he in 1771. They were married in Crottelbach Germany in > 1714. I'm trying to understand his migration pattern, where he was and what > he was doing during different periods of his life. > > The second thing I'm trying to determine is whether or not my Ferverda > family in Holland was Brethren before they arrived in the states, and if so, > could they have been part of this earlier group who stayed. Bauke Hendrick > Ferverda (also Ferveda, Ferwerda) was born in probably Leeuwarden in the > Netherlands in 1830, received his discharge from the military in 1863 and > immigrated directly from the Netherlands in 1863 to Elkhart County, Indiana. > He bought land among the Brethren and joined the Brethren church there. I > know the military service might indicate that he was not Brethren, but > perhaps it was mandatory. I don't know. I have always found it odd that he > would come to the middle of Northern Indiana and settle among the Brethren, > his children marrying Brethren church members if he wasn't Brethren before > coming. > > Is there any chruch history of a chruch in Leeuwarden or in Gronigan where > his father was born in 1768? > > Thank you, > > Roberta Estes > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008

Hi John, I don't know if this is the same family or not, but I would not be surprised. The early Miller genealogy work is not my own, but a compendium of information I believe to be correct from reputable sources. This Susanna Berchtol is shown to be the daughter of Hans Berchtol who died in 1711 in Krottelbach, Germany and his wife Anna Christina. That is literally all the information I have about this family. I would welcome any other information others might have. Roberta -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of john shafer Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:20 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Surhuisterveen and other Dutch locations Roberta, My question back to you is whether you think your Berchtol family is the same as the Bechtel/Bachtel families. Many of the Bechtel/Bachtel families were Mennonite, some living in Berks County, Pennsylvania. Others later became Brethren, one daughter marrying Jacob Danner, a noted Brethren leader. Some went to Washington County, Maryland, and Somerset County, Pennsylvania, with many of their descendents becoming Brethren. Dwayne's response to you about any Brethren left in Europe is accurate. However, I think memories survive in families for multiple generations, and someone who may have been exposed to Anabaptist/Pietist influences in Europe might be attracted to a community of like minded (or even related) people in America. John Shafer Oakton, VA > From: restes@comcast.net > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:35:37 -0500 > Subject: [BRE] Surhuisterveen and other Dutch locations > > I'm sorry to be so ignorant as to have to ask this question, but here > goes anyway. I know the Brethren were in Holland from the perioid of > about 1720 to 1728. Did they stay together in one group and is this > the location where they all were? Did all of the Brethren come to the > US or did a remnant church (some might say a mother church) stay there > in Holland? If they did all come, did they come at once or in waves? > Did all of the Brethren who came to the States firt go to Holland or > was there still a colony in either Schwarzenau? > > What I'm really trying to understand here is twofold. Where was my > Michael Miller with his wife Susanna Berchtol during this time. I > know he was born in Steinwenden Germany in 1692 and his wife in > Ohmback Germany, and they died in Maryland, he in 1771. They were > married in Crottelbach Germany in 1714. I'm trying to understand his > migration pattern, where he was and what he was doing during different periods of his life. > > The second thing I'm trying to determine is whether or not my Ferverda > family in Holland was Brethren before they arrived in the states, and > if so, could they have been part of this earlier group who stayed. > Bauke Hendrick Ferverda (also Ferveda, Ferwerda) was born in probably > Leeuwarden in the Netherlands in 1830, received his discharge from the > military in 1863 and immigrated directly from the Netherlands in 1863 to Elkhart County, Indiana. > He bought land among the Brethren and joined the Brethren church > there. I know the military service might indicate that he was not > Brethren, but perhaps it was mandatory. I don't know. I have always > found it odd that he would come to the middle of Northern Indiana and > settle among the Brethren, his children marrying Brethren church > members if he wasn't Brethren before coming. > > Is there any chruch history of a chruch in Leeuwarden or in Gronigan > where his father was born in 1768? > > Thank you, > > Roberta Estes > > > ------------------------ Search the > Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further > information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message