Dwayne, Can you tell me who Esther stover's parents were? Thanks, Pat Dwayne Wrightsman wrote: > Merle, > > Thanks for your input. I'm not aware of a connection between the > Frantz/France families and a "French" family. Most of the information I > have on the John France family that went to Clermont County, Ohio, I got > from John Charles Tippet. I don't recall that I have any information about > where in Clermont County this John France family settled, although I would > be surprised if it were not somewhat close to where the Beckelhymers lived, > as you say, near Ten Mile in the southern part of the County. Mr. Tippet > wrote me yesterday and told me that I was off one generation with the > Beckelhymers. Setting the record straight, the Beckelhymer men who married > the France women in Franklin County, VA, were children of the John > Beckelhymers (father and son) who moved from New Jersey to Virginia, and > not, as I said in my article, of the Beckelhymer/Bechelshammer who was the > Elder of the Amwell Brethren in New Jersey. The latter was the father of > the senior John Beckelhymer who moved to Virginia. Confusing isn't it. > Everyone seems to be named John. > > The (different) John Frantz who married Esther Stover died in Botetourt, > about 1822, when his children were still very young. The widow remarried > and moved with her Frantz children to Washington County, Indiana. You won't > find John Frantz in your research of this area, but maybe you will run > across one or more of his children. His sons were Christopher A. Frantz, > William H. Frantz, and Isaac G. Frantz. I don't have any records on any of > them. > > Dwayne Wrightsman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:17 AM > Subject: [BRE] Frantz France > > > >> Dwayne Wrightsman - Frantz Family, Brethren Roots - just got my copy >> yesterday - >> >> Now I'm going to have to go through primary researches, again, on my >> Kentucky families - but before I start - could there have been a >> connection between Frantz-France, and French? >> >> You answered for me who the Michael France was in Muhlenberg Co KY, but >> I didn't know to look for Shank. I know I saw it - >> >> I found John France in the 1810 Tax list for Clermont County (no, of >> course, he was not yet there - in the 1802 Tax list), but I have to ask >> if you know where he lived - in Clermont Co (it is 30 miles long NS)? >> >> The Bechtelsheimer families all lived in the southern part of the >> County. We had two churches down there, the Bechtelsheimer families >> were mostly in the Ten Mile Creek Congregation - SW Clermont Co (only >> one member of the family moved up to Stonelick). This was where Joseph >> Garber (10 Mile/Obannon/and Shelby County OH - son of Elder John Garber >> of the Flat Rock Church, VA) was the minister (a cousin of John Garber >> of Obannon [Stonelick]/Donnels Creek). They lived between New Richmond >> and Amelia. The Bullskin Creek church was in the southeast portion of >> the county, below Felicity and into Brown County to the east. It might >> be interesting to note that Christian Waldschmidt, son of the minister, >> John Waldschmidt of Berks Co PA) came to near Milford OH in 1797 - his >> wife was Brethren, of the Bollander family who pastored the Bullskin >> Church. (Other families on the Bullskin included the Housers and >> Rhorers of Jessamine Co KY.) [The Obannon-Stonelick Church was in the >> north of Clermont Co - the old Obannon church was just outside of Goshen >> OH, the Stonelick Church, some 5 miles away, is still existing near >> Edenton OH.] >> >> Neither the 10 Mile, nor Bullskin churches remained Brethren - becoming >> Disciples of Christ/Christian following the Great Revival, and the >> conflict with Annual Meeting - after 1820. >> >> You mentioned John Frantz (Esther Stover) family in Washington Co IN. >> This is the old Lost River Church, now the Liberty Church, east of >> Orleans in Orange Co IN. This was on (or just off) the old >> Louisville-Vincennes Road (Revolution - George Rogers Clark fame). This >> was the church of the "Boy Preacher", Joseph Hostetler. It was a leader >> of the "Brethren Association", which led the Pietism conflict against >> the legalism/dictates of Annual Meeting - in the 1820s, and went Church >> of Christ when the Annual Meeting Elders put several of the Brethren >> Elders out here on the Ban (including Elder Adam Hostetler -Clark Co IN >> - uncle of Joseph). No, I had not recognized John Frantz there (I am >> still working on 'Foutz' - had not gotten to 'Frantz' yet - haven't >> researched this area enough). (How am I supposed to get my book done by >> this summer - when there is still so much to look for?) Did some of the >> Stovers go there also? (I'm still trying to find the Elder David >> Stover, who was the supposed founder of the Obannon Church -in 1795 - ) >> >> These are Frantz/France men you mention, that I recognize. >> >> Merle C Rummel >> > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Pat, Esther Stover (who married John Frantz, in Botetourt County, Virginia, in 1810) was the daughter of Rev. William Stober and Susanna Miller (daughter of Hans Michael and Elizabeth Miller). Source is Richard Weber's STOVER BRETHREN, pp. 80-81, 140. Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hickin" <pph929@ntelos.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Frantz France > Dwayne, Can you tell me who Esther stover's parents were? > > Thanks, > Pat > > Dwayne Wrightsman wrote: >> Merle, >> >> Thanks for your input. I'm not aware of a connection between the >> Frantz/France families and a "French" family. Most of the information I >> have on the John France family that went to Clermont County, Ohio, I got >> from John Charles Tippet. I don't recall that I have any information >> about >> where in Clermont County this John France family settled, although I >> would >> be surprised if it were not somewhat close to where the Beckelhymers >> lived, >> as you say, near Ten Mile in the southern part of the County. Mr. Tippet >> wrote me yesterday and told me that I was off one generation with the >> Beckelhymers. Setting the record straight, the Beckelhymer men who >> married >> the France women in Franklin County, VA, were children of the John >> Beckelhymers (father and son) who moved from New Jersey to Virginia, and >> not, as I said in my article, of the Beckelhymer/Bechelshammer who was >> the >> Elder of the Amwell Brethren in New Jersey. The latter was the father of >> the senior John Beckelhymer who moved to Virginia. Confusing isn't it. >> Everyone seems to be named John. >> >> The (different) John Frantz who married Esther Stover died in Botetourt, >> about 1822, when his children were still very young. The widow remarried >> and moved with her Frantz children to Washington County, Indiana. You >> won't >> find John Frantz in your research of this area, but maybe you will run >> across one or more of his children. His sons were Christopher A. Frantz, >> William H. Frantz, and Isaac G. Frantz. I don't have any records on any >> of >> them. >> >> Dwayne Wrightsman