I was wondering if anyone has information on the following reference. "A History of the German Baptist Brethren in Europe" -- Brumbaugh (Google Books), page 62. Christophel Kalckglasser, Alexander Mack, Jr., records his death in America. Marie Leisel Kalckglasser, wife of Christophel. I am trying to do research on this couple and I've found that very little has been done on them by Kalckglasser researchers. I looked through this particular book and couldn't find any reference to Alexander Mack, Jr. recording the death of Christophel. Does anyone have access to the information on Christophel that Brumbaugh is referring to? I have a feeling that whatever Alexander Mack, Jr. recorded would be very helpful in my research. Thanks very much. David Myers

David, What Alexander Mack Jr. recorded in his list of deaths was (as transcribed in English): "Bro. Christopher Kalckloeser and his wife, the sister." (Source: The Day Book/Account Book of Alexander Mack, Jr. (1712-1803), Kutztown, The Pennsylvania German Society, 2004, p. 95. The transcription in German (p. 33) is much more interesting: "Br Christophel Kalckglöser und swin Weib die sh. Mariahlösel." This could explain the entry in Brumbaugh. Do you suspect that there were two marriages: first, Maria Mack, and second, Maria Leisel, or that there were two Christopher Kalckloesers? In my opinion, Christopher was married to Maria Mack when they came over on the Ship Allen. I say this for two reasons. First there is the matter of the marriage record which we have uncovered. Second there was the positioning of the wives and other women on the Ship: Maria [nee Mack?] Kalklieser was next to Anna Margaret Mackin who in turn was next to Phillipina Mackin (see List A). I believe that all three of these Mack women were sisters, although I don't know who their parents were. This Kalckglöser family is extremely difficult to figure out. If you look at Brumbaugh, p. 399, you will find a "Ludwig Kalckglaeser and wife" in a list of the early Conestoga Brethren. Their identities are explained by no one to my knowledge. Usually the men's names include Johann Heinrich, Christoffel, and Emmanuel.......but Ludwig?????? Who was he? Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [BRE] Christophel Kalckglasser, m. Maria Mack >I was wondering if anyone has information on the following reference. > > > "A History of the German Baptist Brethren in Europe" -- Brumbaugh (Google > Books), page 62. > > Christophel Kalckglasser, Alexander Mack, Jr., records his death in > America. > Marie Leisel Kalckglasser, wife of Christophel. > > > I am trying to do research on this couple and I've found that very little > has been done on them by Kalckglasser researchers. I looked through this > particular book and couldn't find any reference to Alexander Mack, Jr. > recording the death of Christophel. Does anyone have access to the > information on Christophel that Brumbaugh is referring to? I have a > feeling that whatever Alexander Mack, Jr. recorded would be very helpful > in my research. > > Thanks very much. > > David Myers

David, As a follow-up, there was a Marylis Lisley on the Ship Allen who was a daughter of Peter Lisley. There were other Lisley women, some of them too young to be listed. These Lisley women tended to become celibates at Ephrata and died there along with a number of Lisley men, including their father Peter. In looking through the list of the Ephrata members, I cannot find the daughter named Marylis, nor can I find the name of Christopher Kalcklöser with the other Kalcklöser men and women who lived and died at Ephrata. Dwayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Christophel Kalckglasser, m. Maria Mack David, What Alexander Mack Jr. recorded in his list of deaths was (as transcribed in English): "Bro. Christopher Kalckloeser and his wife, the sister." (Source: The Day Book/Account Book of Alexander Mack, Jr. (1712-1803), Kutztown, The Pennsylvania German Society, 2004, p. 95. The transcription in German (p. 33) is much more interesting: "Br Christophel Kalckglöser und swin Weib die sh. Mariahlösel." This could explain the entry in Brumbaugh. Do you suspect that there were two marriages: first, Maria Mack, and second, Maria Leisel, or that there were two Christopher Kalckloesers? In my opinion, Christopher was married to Maria Mack when they came over on the Ship Allen. I say this for two reasons. First there is the matter of the marriage record which we have uncovered. Second there was the positioning of the wives and other women on the Ship: Maria [nee Mack?] Kalklieser was next to Anna Margaret Mackin who in turn was next to Phillipina Mackin (see List A). I believe that all three of these Mack women were sisters, although I don't know who their parents were. This Kalckglöser family is extremely difficult to figure out. If you look at Brumbaugh, p. 399, you will find a "Ludwig Kalckglaeser and wife" in a list of the early Conestoga Brethren. Their identities are explained by no one to my knowledge. Usually the men's names include Johann Heinrich, Christoffel, and Emmanuel.......but Ludwig?????? Who was he? Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [BRE] Christophel Kalckglasser, m. Maria Mack >I was wondering if anyone has information on the following reference. > > > "A History of the German Baptist Brethren in Europe" -- Brumbaugh (Google > Books), page 62. > > Christophel Kalckglasser, Alexander Mack, Jr., records his death in > America. > Marie Leisel Kalckglasser, wife of Christophel. > > > I am trying to do research on this couple and I've found that very little > has been done on them by Kalckglasser researchers. I looked through this > particular book and couldn't find any reference to Alexander Mack, Jr. > recording the death of Christophel. Does anyone have access to the > information on Christophel that Brumbaugh is referring to? I have a > feeling that whatever Alexander Mack, Jr. recorded would be very helpful > in my research. > > Thanks very much. > > David Myers