First, let me say that I've been doing some research and there are Schneiders linked to the ship Allen and I'm going to start working on sorting that out. Second, the subject of the Schneider presence on the Allen came up on this list in Sep 2006 and I didn't even remember that at all. Ouch. The following is the URL for the beginning of that thread, for those who are interested. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BRETHREN/2006-09/1158622988 In fact, I've looked at several other sources and it appears that there is some dispute about which Schneiders were on the Allen. In looking at the general subject of this Schneider family, there appear to be several discrete problems and I think it best to separate them into different threads to reduce confusion. The Schneiders on the Allen would be one of those threads so I'll get started on that. Dwayne, surely the Anna Margaret Mack on the Allen had to be the wife of Johannes Mack. She must have been alive when Johannes came to America since they had two children born in America. And there doesn't appear to be much dispute that Johannes married a woman with that name. That being said, there always is going to be a circumstantial aspect to determining this; I don't think that you get around that. Unless there is a contemporaneous account that says who the Macks (or Mackins) on the Allen were, you kind of have to make an educated guess that they are part of the family of Alexander Mack, the Tunker, since the names match. I would be less inclined to do that with the Schneiders -- yet -- but it seems likely that they are related to each other and to Anna Margaret (Schneider) Mack -- probably all sibs. The Brethren community was quite small at that time and there obviously was a lot of persecution of them. I would think that it would be easier to make it through something like that if other family members were part of that experience. The people who didn't have that family support would be more likely to fall away and leave the Church. In fact, if you were in the Church by yourself (or with just your spouse), there probably would be a lot of pressure from your family to *leave* the Church since they would be worried about you, mad at you, etc. David Myers On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:06:29 -0500 "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: > There were Sneider/Schneder/Schneiders on the Allen in 1729. Jacob > wrote > his name in his own hand as "Jacob Sneider" on List C. "Anna > Margaret Mack" > was listed with the women passengers on List A. Most Mack > researchers seem > to agree that she was Anna Margarethe nee Sneider who according to > Mack > researcher, Freeman Ankrum, was married to Johannes Mack in > Friesland prior > to the sailing of the Allen in 1729. > > The letter written November 3, 1774, from Anna Margarethe's son > Jacob Mack > to Jacob's paternal uncle Alexander Mack Jr. is transcribed in > Durnbaugh > (1967) page 256. In the letter Jacob makes mention of his mother's > brother, > Jacob Schneider, who, by the language of the letter, was living in > the > Germantown area. > > I am making an educated guess that the Jacob Sneider on the Allen > was Anna > Margarethe's brother. If not, who was the Jacob Sneider on the > Allen? If > the Jacob Sneider (in the Jacob Mack letter) did not immigrate on > the Allen > in 1729, when did he immigrate, and on what ship? Do you agree that > the > Anna Margaret Mack woman on the Allen was the wife of Johannes Mack? > If > not, who do you think she was? The other three Mack men--Alexander > Sr., > Valentine, and Alexander Jr.--were unmarried at the time of the > sailing. > > So, David, and all other interested parties to this discussion, I'm > tossing > the ball back to you. > > Dwayne Wrightsman

David, I am pleased that you are taking the initiative to figure out the Mack-Schneider family(ies) that were on the Ship Allen. In terms of the Macks, the only names that are still a problem are those of the two "Mackin" women. I agree that they are somehow related to Alexander Sr. and his three sons Valentine, John, and Alexander Jr., all of whom were on the Allen. Anna Margaretha Mack, as we know, was the Sneider/Schneider wife of John Mack, going by her married name on the A List of the Allen. The two Mackin women are enigmas. Various rumors abound. One is that they were infant daughters of John and Anna Margaretha Mack. I don't believe they were since very young children were not named in the case of the Allen. A second rumor is that they were unmarried daughters of Alexander Mack Sr. I think that this is a possibility that should not be dismissed as easily as it has among the Brethren. A third rumor is that they may have been "cousins" of the Brethren Mack family. This one also deserves scrutiny. Then of course there is the coincidental fact that these two Mackin women were identical in name to the two Mack women who married into the Kitzmiller family in 1730 and 1731, as recorded in the famous Stoever Marriage Records of the day. What makes this even more interesting is that the Kitzmillers had connections with the Schneiders who settled at that time in the Weber-thal area in Earl Township, Lancaster County. One of the Schneiders was a Christian Schneider of the same name as one of the Schneider passengers on the Ship Allen. I detect a Schneider-Kitzmiller-Mack nexus that might need to be untangled at some point. Reading over what I just wrote, it is clear that I just did a lot of brainstorming and need to quit here for now. What do you think? Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Schneider family > First, let me say that I've been doing some research and there are > Schneiders linked to the ship Allen and I'm going to start working on > sorting that out. Second, the subject of the Schneider presence on the > Allen came up on this list in Sep 2006 and I didn't even remember that at > all. Ouch. The following is the URL for the beginning of that thread, > for those who are interested. > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BRETHREN/2006-09/1158622988 > > In fact, I've looked at several other sources and it appears that there > is some dispute about which Schneiders were on the Allen. In looking at > the general subject of this Schneider family, there appear to be several > discrete problems and I think it best to separate them into different > threads to reduce confusion. The Schneiders on the Allen would be one of > those threads so I'll get started on that. > > Dwayne, surely the Anna Margaret Mack on the Allen had to be the wife of > Johannes Mack. She must have been alive when Johannes came to America > since they had two children born in America. And there doesn't appear to > be much dispute that Johannes married a woman with that name. That being > said, there always is going to be a circumstantial aspect to determining > this; I don't think that you get around that. Unless there is a > contemporaneous account that says who the Macks (or Mackins) on the Allen > were, you kind of have to make an educated guess that they are part of > the family of Alexander Mack, the Tunker, since the names match. > > I would be less inclined to do that with the Schneiders -- yet -- but it > seems likely that they are related to each other and to Anna Margaret > (Schneider) Mack -- probably all sibs. The Brethren community was quite > small at that time and there obviously was a lot of persecution of them. > I would think that it would be easier to make it through something like > that if other family members were part of that experience. The people > who didn't have that family support would be more likely to fall away and > leave the Church. In fact, if you were in the Church by yourself (or > with just your spouse), there probably would be a lot of pressure from > your family to *leave* the Church since they would be worried about you, > mad at you, etc. > > David Myers > > > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:06:29 -0500 "Dwayne Wrightsman" > <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: >> There were Sneider/Schneder/Schneiders on the Allen in 1729. Jacob >> wrote >> his name in his own hand as "Jacob Sneider" on List C. "Anna >> Margaret Mack" >> was listed with the women passengers on List A. Most Mack >> researchers seem >> to agree that she was Anna Margarethe nee Sneider who according to >> Mack >> researcher, Freeman Ankrum, was married to Johannes Mack in >> Friesland prior >> to the sailing of the Allen in 1729. >> >> The letter written November 3, 1774, from Anna Margarethe's son >> Jacob Mack >> to Jacob's paternal uncle Alexander Mack Jr. is transcribed in >> Durnbaugh >> (1967) page 256. In the letter Jacob makes mention of his mother's >> brother, >> Jacob Schneider, who, by the language of the letter, was living in >> the >> Germantown area. >> >> I am making an educated guess that the Jacob Sneider on the Allen >> was Anna >> Margarethe's brother. If not, who was the Jacob Sneider on the >> Allen? If >> the Jacob Sneider (in the Jacob Mack letter) did not immigrate on >> the Allen >> in 1729, when did he immigrate, and on what ship? Do you agree that >> the >> Anna Margaret Mack woman on the Allen was the wife of Johannes Mack? >> If >> not, who do you think she was? The other three Mack men--Alexander >> Sr., >> Valentine, and Alexander Jr.--were unmarried at the time of the >> sailing. >> >> So, David, and all other interested parties to this discussion, I'm >> tossing >> the ball back to you. >> >> Dwayne Wrightsman

David, I'm the one who started that 2006 Schneider inquiry and I'm delighted to find that it's finally getting some attention! I notice, however that in the heading I say "Ship Allen . . . and 4 Schneiders" whereas there were actually 5 if you count Jacob Sneider, or 6 if you include Anna Margaret [Schneider?] Mack. I'm interested, as I've said previously, because I have a Mathias Schneider b Oct 1757 in Bern Twp., Berks Co. but don't know about his parents/ancestry. Of course I'd love for him to be a grandson of the "Mathew Schneider" on the Allen <http://cob-net.org/text/history_allen.htm> On the Allen: Christian Schneider Jacob Sneider Mathew Schneider Magdalene Schneider Anna Margaret [Schneider?] Mack Susan Schneider Here's some info on my Mathias: Mathias married 2 Feb 1779, Rowan Co., NC, Elizabeth Eccle/Ekel, etc. (born Falkner Swamp, PA) Their children: Henry b 31 Oct 1779 Jacob b 1781 John b 1783 (They move to Botetourt Co., VA, April, 1784) Catharina b 1785 (my ancestor) Elizabeth b 1787 (so what happened to the children who should have been born in 1789,91,93?!!) Susannah b Jan 1796 The similarity of some of the children's first names and those of Allen passengers is interesting -- BUT those same first names show up in his wife's siblings and her father. I'm intrested in knowing what led you to get interested in the Schneiders? I've got a conection between the Eccles/Eckles (m John Britts/tz and their daughter married a John Myers (1815, Botetourt Co VA). Any research I can do to be of assistance?? Pat myerswd@juno.com wrote: > First, let me say that I've been doing some research and there are > Schneiders linked to the ship Allen and I'm going to start working on > sorting that out. Second, the subject of the Schneider presence on the > Allen came up on this list in Sep 2006 and I didn't even remember that at > all. Ouch. The following is the URL for the beginning of that thread, > for those who are interested. > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BRETHREN/2006-09/1158622988 > > In fact, I've looked at several other sources and it appears that there > is some dispute about which Schneiders were on the Allen. In looking at > the general subject of this Schneider family, there appear to be several > discrete problems and I think it best to separate them into different > threads to reduce confusion. The Schneiders on the Allen would be one of > those threads so I'll get started on that. > > Dwayne, surely the Anna Margaret Mack on the Allen had to be the wife of > Johannes Mack. She must have been alive when Johannes came to America > since they had two children born in America. And there doesn't appear to > be much dispute that Johannes married a woman with that name. That being > said, there always is going to be a circumstantial aspect to determining > this; I don't think that you get around that. Unless there is a > contemporaneous account that says who the Macks (or Mackins) on the Allen > were, you kind of have to make an educated guess that they are part of > the family of Alexander Mack, the Tunker, since the names match. > > I would be less inclined to do that with the Schneiders -- yet -- but it > seems likely that they are related to each other and to Anna Margaret > (Schneider) Mack -- probably all sibs. The Brethren community was quite > small at that time and there obviously was a lot of persecution of them. > I would think that it would be easier to make it through something like > that if other family members were part of that experience. The people > who didn't have that family support would be more likely to fall away and > leave the Church. In fact, if you were in the Church by yourself (or > with just your spouse), there probably would be a lot of pressure from > your family to *leave* the Church since they would be worried about you, > mad at you, etc. > > David Myers > > > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:06:29 -0500 "Dwayne Wrightsman" > <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: > >> There were Sneider/Schneder/Schneiders on the Allen in 1729. Jacob >> wrote >> his name in his own hand as "Jacob Sneider" on List C. "Anna >> Margaret Mack" >> was listed with the women passengers on List A. Most Mack >> researchers seem >> to agree that she was Anna Margarethe nee Sneider who according to >> Mack >> researcher, Freeman Ankrum, was married to Johannes Mack in >> Friesland prior >> to the sailing of the Allen in 1729. >> >> The letter written November 3, 1774, from Anna Margarethe's son >> Jacob Mack >> to Jacob's paternal uncle Alexander Mack Jr. is transcribed in >> Durnbaugh >> (1967) page 256. In the letter Jacob makes mention of his mother's >> brother, >> Jacob Schneider, who, by the language of the letter, was living in >> the >> Germantown area. >> >> I am making an educated guess that the Jacob Sneider on the Allen >> was Anna >> Margarethe's brother. If not, who was the Jacob Sneider on the >> Allen? If >> the Jacob Sneider (in the Jacob Mack letter) did not immigrate on >> the Allen >> in 1729, when did he immigrate, and on what ship? Do you agree that >> the >> Anna Margaret Mack woman on the Allen was the wife of Johannes Mack? >> If >> not, who do you think she was? The other three Mack men--Alexander >> Sr., >> Valentine, and Alexander Jr.--were unmarried at the time of the >> sailing. >> >> So, David, and all other interested parties to this discussion, I'm >> tossing >> the ball back to you. >> >> Dwayne Wrightsman >> > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >