Judy Florian wrote: > >From my understanding of 1800s German Baptists, people (children, teens, > adults) attended church services, but were not put on the membership list > until they made the adult choice of baptism. Can someone tell me if I'm > mixed up on this? > > It would explain why so many names within families are missing on the church > roll I researched, and why children do not appear until teenagers or just > before / just after their marriages. I never saw little children on the > List. > > In a First Christian church in the same county, I read Minutes from 1800s > that had people getting baptized several times. That always confused me-- > didn't the first time "take"? > > OK - I chuckled - Yes, some use a re-baptism as a re-dedication of life. It was an original practice (and still is a practice among some of the German Baptist Brethren) that baptism come as adults, after marriage. So in a way, it was a dedication of the family to the church. I just looked up the data on Elder William Smith Toney (because of the William SMITH name) - anyway - he married Mary Moss in 1861, and they were baptized in 1864 -already having 2 children! William Smith Toney's mother (Sarah Lybrook) was a granddaughter of Elder Jacob Miller, and the family lived just south of the Upper Four Mile Church - his father, James Toney, was a deacon at Upper Four Mile, and Mary Moss' grandfather (who raised her after the death of her mother) was also a deacon. Elder William Smith Toney became one of the leading Church of the Brethren Elders of Central Indiana (moving to Cass Co IN) - so don't tell me they were not active in the church. Merle C Rummel

Merle, you mentioned Sarah Lybrook, in connection with the Miller family. You have anything on a Philip Lybrook? Anna MILLER b: September 28, 1765 in Pennsylvania or Maryland d: September 14, 1833 in Union City, Indiana, USA ......... +Philip LYBROOK b: September 23, 1757 m: 1781 in Franklin, Virginia, US Thanks, Jeff Scism Merle C Rummel wrote: > > I just looked up the data on Elder William Smith Toney (because of the > William SMITH name) - anyway - he married Mary Moss in 1861, and they > were baptized in 1864 -already having 2 children! William Smith Toney's > mother (Sarah Lybrook) was a granddaughter of Elder Jacob Miller, and > the family lived just south of the Upper Four Mile Church - his father, > James Toney, was a deacon at Upper Four Mile, and Mary Moss' grandfather > (who raised her after the death of her mother) was also a deacon. Elder > William Smith Toney became one of the leading Church of the Brethren > Elders of Central Indiana (moving to Cass Co IN) - so don't tell me they > were not active in the church. > > Merle C Rummel > -- Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG ~~ "Proponents of each side are vying with determination to prove their ignorance is greater than the other." President Andrew Jackson, discussing a bill going through the US Congress. Visit http://ibssg.org/ For The Blacksheep website, MORE... Putnam County Indiana Biographies and Obituaries http://ingenweb.org/inputnam/bios/ Montgomery County Indiana Biographies and Obituaries http://ingenweb.org/inmontgomery/bios/ Fountain County Indiana Biographies and Obituaries http://ingenweb.org/infountain/vitals/bios/

You can see Merle's LYBROOK family information starting with Philip and Anna on the Union County, Indiana web site at: http://www.union-county.lib.in.us/GenwebVA4mile/lybrook.htm as part of his Virginia Settlement or Four Mile COB at http://www.union-county.lib.in.us/GenwebVA4mile/Table%20of%20Contents%204M.h tm I have also seen the LYBROOK family history in a book in the Allen County Indiana public library http://www.acpl.lib.in.us/ . I don't recall the title right now, perhaps Merle or someone else does? Stan Follis, Family Historian Genealogy web site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sfollis/ -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Scism Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 8:56 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Baptism Question Merle, you mentioned Sarah Lybrook, in connection with the Miller family. You have anything on a Philip Lybrook? Anna MILLER b: September 28, 1765 in Pennsylvania or Maryland d: September 14, 1833 in Union City, Indiana, USA ......... +Philip LYBROOK b: September 23, 1757 m: 1781 in Franklin, Virginia, US Thanks, Jeff Scism