Hello Merle, Boy am I behind. Did I answer your inquiry below? The answer is that Elder Benjamin Bowman, minister of the GreenMount Church north west of Harrisonburg and Elder Kline made the trip to serve on the A C committee assignment. ANd if you look in the Diary Book of Kline, you will find this trip outlined in detail, including the stops he made and the families he visited and the sermons Elder Bowman preached. Emmert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:49 AM Subject: [BRE] early Virginia Brethren > Emmert - I know you said that you were going to Florida - but maybe you > (or someone) can answer this question for me - > > I am working on Elder William R Smith of the Raccoon Creek church in > Putnam Co IN > > about 1830 there was a dispute in the church - > > Elder William R Harshbarger later says: "Elder W.R. Smith wanted to > hold church meetings publicly. Deacon Ronk and others said that it was > not according to the rules of the Brethren. To settle the difficulty, > they sent for Brethren Boenin and Wine, of Virginia. They came on > horseback to the little organization on Raccoon Creek. They heard the > case and decided that the Ronks were right and that Smith was wrong. > For this and other reasons the church was pput under the care of Daniel > Miller." (Elder Daniel Miller - son of Elder Jacob Miller) > > Who were the Brethren Boenin and Wine - back about 1830? Sappington's > book does not name a Boenin, and of the many Wines - a prominent Wine of > that time might be a son of Michael Wine of Flat Rock. Can you give me > names? Yes, this goes along with my whole thesis on the Pietist - > Annual Meeting dispute of those times! (but I was not looking for that - ) > > Merle C Rummel > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks - I'll have to look up the Diary (I"m very glad that I live here close to Bethany Seminary). Bowman and Kline sure are not Boenin and Wine. But then - Elder William Harshbarger was born after Elder William Smith died - and he wrote this for Otho Winger and his History of the Brethren in Indiana - c1910 - well, I can understand why Bro Harshbarger named them as best as he could remember them being named -probably by his parents, from so many years before. This is one more of the series from about 1820s that I am finding, of Annual Meeting Elders acting against the earlier Elders who lived out here in the "west" -who were "not obeying Annual Meeting Decisions". This was at the time that the National Road opened for a flood of the eastern Brethren to migrate into communities out here in the "west", where the Brethren already had churches (this is decades before they met the Far Western Brethren over in Illinois). A question on this went back to Annual Meeting: "What do we do with these 'Strange Brethren'?" - the answer: "Avoid Them!" (avoidance - ban) About 1830, these Virginia Brethren Elders were called out to the Raccoon Creek Church (the Ladoga Churches), where they took the Church Eldership away from Elder William R Smith. They were called out to settle a dispute between him and Deacon Jacob Ronk (Deacon Ronk had just previously moved out from the eastern Annual Meeting area). Elder Wm Smith was holding (or wanted to hold):"open meetings" (have some ideas, but no specifics are given), and was opposed by Deacon Ronk, as this "was not according to the rules of the Brethren". We had earlier presented how the 1811 Virginia Conference acted similarly against the Eldership of Elder Jacob Miller - near Dayton (except - Elder Jacob was just a little bit more respected, so that they could not.removed him entirely - they just divided the Lower Miami Church [Dayton OH] into four church areas -giving him only one). What we have almost positively proved is that the William Smith, who preached in English with Elder Jacob Miller, in Franklin Co VA, moved to the Four Mile Church, about 1825, then a couple years later moved west with several of the Four Mile Families -including several of Elder Jacob's children -to the new church community in western Indiana, on Raccoon Creek, off the Wabash River. In error, Winger mentions him - as being from Darke Co OH (his own land purchases say he was from the Four Mile, Union Co IN). His children were born and married in Franklin Co VA. We do not have everything completely determined, but the general outline is there. You didn't get my question last fall, about Brethren Virginia History - what do your records say about what became of this William Smith of Franklin/Floyd Cos? - do they say anything that would dispute this conclusion? I hope the Diary will tell more of this decision. Thanks again Merle > Hello Merle, Boy am I behind. Did I answer your inquiry below? The answer > is that Elder Benjamin Bowman, minister of the GreenMount Church north west > of Harrisonburg and Elder Kline made the trip to serve on the A C committee > assignment. ANd if you look in the Diary Book of Kline, you will find this > trip outlined in detail, including the stops he made and the families he > visited and the sermons Elder Bowman preached. Emmert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:49 AM > Subject: [BRE] early Virginia Brethren > > > >> I am working on Elder William R Smith of the Raccoon Creek church in >> Putnam Co IN >> >> about 1830 there was a dispute in the church - >> >> Elder William R Harshbarger later says: "Elder W.R. Smith wanted to >> hold church meetings publicly. Deacon Ronk and others said that it was >> not according to the rules of the Brethren. To settle the difficulty, >> they sent for Brethren Boenin and Wine, of Virginia. They came on >> horseback to the little organization on Raccoon Creek. They heard the >> case and decided that the Ronks were right and that Smith was wrong. >> For this and other reasons the church was pput under the care of Daniel >> Miller." (Elder Daniel Miller - son of Elder Jacob Miller)