To anyone who cares to comment: I'm now writing the final page trying to --not finish-  but leave all possible records -   on Francis Stump . If his connection in Penna with ANY Washabaugh family --    and any knowledge if the Washabaugh family had any connection with Brethren, will be of inestimable help.  Thank you all - again - for  your help. Liz Stump ----- Original Message ---- From: Janet Hall <janlcpc@mchsi.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 4:31:30 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Schneider, d. 1793, Germantown, Phil. Co. The town of Intercourse Pa is in Leacock Twp. (Co. established in 1729 per sign at city limits).  I don't know if that is close to Weber-Thal.  My ancestors 1st settled there (Leacock Twp. _and later moved near Brickerville where there is an early Lutheran church and a Reformed Church known as  Zion Reformed and "Royer's" ( . . These locations may be worth checking out as sometimes families seemed to re-locate in groups. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Schneider, d. 1793, Germantown, Phil. Co. > The historical account of Christian, Mathias and Jacob Schneider that is > in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA] is beginning to look more > and more plausible to me, but I still have a lot of doubts about it.  I > have copies of the article from the original book but it is quite lengthy > and I don't want to transcribe all of it.  There is a recapitulation of > the article at these two URLs. > > http://www.pa-roots.org/data/read.php?31,103156 > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PAMONROE/2002-04/1018816285 > > They are about as long as the original article, but not exact copies for > some reason.  Anyway, the article states that Christian settled on > Conestoga Creek and attended Zeltenreich Church in New Holland, Lancaster > Co., PA.  The article also states, "Jacob Schneider and Matheis Schneider > took up by patent about 250 acres some distance northeast of Weber-Thal, > where Center (now St. John's) Reformed and Lutheran Church is erected." > This church apparently is in East Earl Twp. of Lancaster Co., PA but its > records (if I remember right) don't start anywhere near to the 1730's, so > I don't know what church Jacob and Mathias would have attended.  I could > see that it might be Zeltenreich but there is a problem there as well. > The LDS holdings indicate that the Zeltenreich baptisms don't start until > 1746 but Christian's descendants say he had children baptized in the > 1730's, supposedly in that area.  These couldn't have taken place at the > Trinity Lutheran (or Ev. Luth.) Church in New Holland because our library > has the records for that church and Christian's children aren't listed. > > So this is very confusing and I hope that other folks on the list will > have the information that I need to make sense of this.  I should mention > that the article says of the Schneiders, "[t]hey were all followers of > Zwingli," whom I believe was a leader in the Reformed religion.  This is > consistent with the Jacob Schneider (1710-1793) who lived in Germantown > since he and his wife were buried in a Reformed Church cemetery.  I > wonder if anyone knows where this Weber-Thal area is located.  William > Thomas mentioned that he knew of a Matthias Schneider who owned land in > Leacock Township.  Maybe that's near Weber-Thal? > > I also would like to know which Reformed Church records to look in to > find the children of Christian Schneider.  They must have been baptized > somewhere since I have seen specific baptism dates, etc.  I also would > like to know if there were Brethren congregations in eastern Lancaster > Co., PA in the 1730's.  I'm thinking that the Schneiders might have > settled in that area to be near a Brethren congregation but later > converted to the Reformed Church. > > David Myers > > > > ========================= > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 19:38:27 -0500 myerswd@juno.com writes: >> I believe that this man is the Jacob Schneider who was a brother of >> Anna >> Margaret (Schneider) Mack.  There is a Jacob Schneider in Germantown >> from >> 1760 through 1794, and there appears to be only one of them in each >> record, implying that there was only one living there throughout >> this >> period.  Jacob isn't listed in the 1734 land records and there are >> two >> explanations for this.  One, he didn't own any land at that time, >> which >> is consistent with him being listed as a laborer in 1794.  However, >> if he >> didn't have any property, what did he need a will for?  Two, he may >> have >> moved to Germantown sometime before 1760 after living elsewhere for >> the >> previous twenty to thirty years.  This is consistent with a >> historical >> account in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA]. >> >> I wasn't able to find a cemetery record for Jacob so that may be an >> indication that he didn't have a headstone originally or that the >> one he >> did have weathered away to illegibility.  I did find a cemetery >> record >> for his daughter, Margaret, who was buried at the Market Square >> Presbyterian Church.  She was born about 1735-1736, which is >> consistent >> with Jacob being born in the early 1700's.  Margaret Snyder was a >> benefactor of this church so I hope that there may be more >> information >> about her in the church records than what is on the headstone.  I >> have >> ordered a film of the church records so I'll soon see. >> >> The following will summaries may or not apply to this family.  The >> first >> two are for Jacob and his daughter, Margaret.  The third may be for >> Jacob's son, Peter, but I doubt it since his occupation doesn't seem >> real >> consistent with Jacob's.  The last will has Jacob as a witness. >> >> David Myers >> >> ==================== >> Wills: Abstracts, Philadelphia Co, PA. >> >> Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Thera, Jack Bowman, and >> Judy. >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm >> >> >> SCHNEIDER, JACOB. Germantown. Co. of Phila. Labourer. >> November 2, 1793. January 2, 1794. X.4. >> Children: Peter, Margaret, Elizabeth Bass. >> Exec: William Holbe, Daughter Margaret Schneider. >> Wit: Leonard Sommers, John Myer, Jacob Knorr. >> >> SCHNEIDER, MARGARET.  Germantown, City of Phila. >> November 5, 1806.  November 17, 1806.  2.26. >> Legacy to Germantown German Presbyterian burying ground.  All >> property to >> be sold, interest thereof to her niece Mary Schneider.  After her >> death >> the principal to Jacob and Enoch Schneider, my nephews, and Margaret >> Bass >> and Margaret Beck, my relations. >> Wit:  John H. Lower, William Dedier, John Conrad. >> >> SCHNEIDER, PETER. County of Philadelphia. Dr. of Physick. >> October 30, 1817. June 16, 1823.  8.33. >> Exrx. wife: Mary Ann Schneider to whom I leave all estate. >> Wit: Robert Whitehead, Charles Rubicom. >> >> HARTMAN, ADAM. Germantown, Phila. Co. Starch maker. >> August 24, 1775. October 2, 1775. >> Wife: Mary Margaret. >> Children: John, Barbara, Margaret and Gertrude. Grandson: John Keen. >> Execs.: Mary Margaret Hartman and Jno. Hook. >> Wit: Jacob Schneider, Daniel Luken and John Lehman. 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