I got the film with the records for the Market Square Presbyterian Church, Germantown, PA and I have significantly more information about the Jacob Schneider who died in 1793; however, I didn't get what I was looking for, which was personal information such as birth places, etc. The consistory records are included on the film and they did mention Margaret's bequest to the church but there wasn't any personal information about her in that record. The burial records are more confusing than what I would have liked but the two people below appear to be Margaret's parents. What I don't understand is why Jacob would be listed as John in this burial record. Maybe his full name was Johann Jacob Schneider (wouldn't be very surprising) and it didn't get written down correctly in the church records. Surely it must be the same guy as the Jacob Schneider whose will was probated on 2 Jan 1794. And this Anna Barbara must be Margaret's mother since she was born in 1710, just as Johann Jacob Schneider was. This Jacob Schneider would have been about 19 when the Allen sailed in 1729 so I am about 90% certain that the Jacob Schneider (1710-1793) who lived in Germantown is the brother of Anna Margaret (Schneider) Mack. The weird part is why Margaret would have been baptized in her mid-60's since the family must have belonged to the Reformed Church in 1760, when Anna Barbara was buried. Margaret was about 24 at that time and surely would have belonged to the same religion as her parents. So why was she baptized again in 1804? Doesn't make sense. Also, were the parents in the Reformed Church for their entire adult lives or did they convert at some time, possibly from the Brethren religion? In order to solve these problems, I think I will need to figure out where Jacob Schneider lived in the 1729-1760 time period, which could be very difficult given how common a name Jacob Schneider is. If you assume that they belonged to the Reformed religion before 1760, there must be some records listing them in some way or another. If I can make an intelligent guess as to where they lived, I can look in Reformed Churches in that area. It's beginning to look as if the historical account in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA] may be accurate, which I will deal with in another post since this one is getting a little long already. David Myers ----------------------- Church record of the Germantown Reformed Church, now Market Square Presbyterian Church, Germantown, 1753-1856 (FHL film #20,347): Baptisms. Margaret, b. Aug. 5, 1738, bapt. Mar. 30, 1804; parents -- Jacob and Anna Barbara Schneider; sponsors -- Adult. Burials. Anna Barbara Schneider, 50 years, 4 months old, buried May 11, 1760. John [sic?] Schneider, 83 years, 2 months, 9 days old, died December 28, 1793, buried December 30, 1793. =========================== On Thu, 1 May 2008 19:38:27 -0500 myerswd@juno.com writes: > I believe that this man is the Jacob Schneider who was a brother of > Anna > Margaret (Schneider) Mack. There is a Jacob Schneider in Germantown > from > 1760 through 1794, and there appears to be only one of them in each > record, implying that there was only one living there throughout > this > period. Jacob isn't listed in the 1734 land records and there are > two > explanations for this. One, he didn't own any land at that time, > which > is consistent with him being listed as a laborer in 1794. However, > if he > didn't have any property, what did he need a will for? Two, he may > have > moved to Germantown sometime before 1760 after living elsewhere for > the > previous twenty to thirty years. This is consistent with a > historical > account in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA]. > > I wasn't able to find a cemetery record for Jacob so that may be an > indication that he didn't have a headstone originally or that the > one he > did have weathered away to illegibility. I did find a cemetery > record > for his daughter, Margaret, who was buried at the Market Square > Presbyterian Church. She was born about 1735-1736, which is > consistent > with Jacob being born in the early 1700's. Margaret Snyder was a > benefactor of this church so I hope that there may be more > information > about her in the church records than what is on the headstone. I > have > ordered a film of the church records so I'll soon see. > > The following will summaries may or not apply to this family. The > first > two are for Jacob and his daughter, Margaret. The third may be for > Jacob's son, Peter, but I doubt it since his occupation doesn't seem > real > consistent with Jacob's. The last will has Jacob as a witness. > > David Myers > > ==================== > Wills: Abstracts, Philadelphia Co, PA. > > Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Thera, Jack Bowman, and > Judy. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm > > > SCHNEIDER, JACOB. Germantown. Co. of Phila. Labourer. > November 2, 1793. January 2, 1794. X.4. > Children: Peter, Margaret, Elizabeth Bass. > Exec: William Holbe, Daughter Margaret Schneider. > Wit: Leonard Sommers, John Myer, Jacob Knorr. > > SCHNEIDER, MARGARET. Germantown, City of Phila. > November 5, 1806. November 17, 1806. 2.26. > Legacy to Germantown German Presbyterian burying ground. All > property to > be sold, interest thereof to her niece Mary Schneider. After her > death > the principal to Jacob and Enoch Schneider, my nephews, and Margaret > Bass > and Margaret Beck, my relations. > Wit: John H. Lower, William Dedier, John Conrad. > > SCHNEIDER, PETER. County of Philadelphia. Dr. of Physick. > October 30, 1817. June 16, 1823. 8.33. > Exrx. wife: Mary Ann Schneider to whom I leave all estate. > Wit: Robert Whitehead, Charles Rubicom. > > HARTMAN, ADAM. Germantown, Phila. Co. Starch maker. > August 24, 1775. October 2, 1775. > Wife: Mary Margaret. > Children: John, Barbara, Margaret and Gertrude. > Grandson: John Keen. > Execs.: Mary Margaret Hartman and Jno. Hook. > Wit: Jacob Schneider, Daniel Luken and John Lehman. Q.203.

David, Another consideration is the changing boundaries of Germantown. Old Germantown was a pretty big place, but by the time the Ship Allen people got there it was carved into several entities, from south to north: German-Town, Krisheim, Somerhausen, and Crevelt. Alexander Mack Jr. lived on North Wales Road in Krefeld. In the 1774 letter from Jacob Mack to his uncle Alexander Jr., Jacob sent greetings to his mother's brother (Jacob Schneider) and also to Lewis Engelhard and George Schreiber, the overseers of the Upper Germantown Burying-Ground. Sure seems like a bunch of Brethren neighbors to me. Dwayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Schneider, d. 1793, Germantown, Phil. Co. >I got the film with the records for the Market Square Presbyterian > Church, Germantown, PA and I have significantly more information about > the Jacob Schneider who died in 1793; however, I didn't get what I was > looking for, which was personal information such as birth places, etc. > The consistory records are included on the film and they did mention > Margaret's bequest to the church but there wasn't any personal > information about her in that record. > > The burial records are more confusing than what I would have liked but > the two people below appear to be Margaret's parents. What I don't > understand is why Jacob would be listed as John in this burial record. > Maybe his full name was Johann Jacob Schneider (wouldn't be very > surprising) and it didn't get written down correctly in the church > records. Surely it must be the same guy as the Jacob Schneider whose > will was probated on 2 Jan 1794. And this Anna Barbara must be > Margaret's mother since she was born in 1710, just as Johann Jacob > Schneider was. > > This Jacob Schneider would have been about 19 when the Allen sailed in > 1729 so I am about 90% certain that the Jacob Schneider (1710-1793) who > lived in Germantown is the brother of Anna Margaret (Schneider) Mack. > The weird part is why Margaret would have been baptized in her mid-60's > since the family must have belonged to the Reformed Church in 1760, when > Anna Barbara was buried. Margaret was about 24 at that time and surely > would have belonged to the same religion as her parents. So why was she > baptized again in 1804? Doesn't make sense. Also, were the parents in > the Reformed Church for their entire adult lives or did they convert at > some time, possibly from the Brethren religion? > > In order to solve these problems, I think I will need to figure out where > Jacob Schneider lived in the 1729-1760 time period, which could be very > difficult given how common a name Jacob Schneider is. If you assume that > they belonged to the Reformed religion before 1760, there must be some > records listing them in some way or another. If I can make an > intelligent guess as to where they lived, I can look in Reformed Churches > in that area. It's beginning to look as if the historical account in > Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA] may be accurate, which I > will deal with in another post since this one is getting a little long > already. > > David Myers > > > ----------------------- > Church record of the Germantown Reformed Church, now Market Square > Presbyterian Church, Germantown, 1753-1856 (FHL film #20,347): > > Baptisms. > Margaret, b. Aug. 5, 1738, bapt. Mar. 30, 1804; parents -- Jacob and Anna > Barbara Schneider; sponsors -- Adult. > > Burials. > Anna Barbara Schneider, 50 years, 4 months old, buried May 11, 1760. > John [sic?] Schneider, 83 years, 2 months, 9 days old, died December 28, > 1793, buried December 30, 1793. > > > > > =========================== > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 19:38:27 -0500 myerswd@juno.com writes: >> I believe that this man is the Jacob Schneider who was a brother of >> Anna >> Margaret (Schneider) Mack. There is a Jacob Schneider in Germantown >> from >> 1760 through 1794, and there appears to be only one of them in each >> record, implying that there was only one living there throughout >> this >> period. Jacob isn't listed in the 1734 land records and there are >> two >> explanations for this. One, he didn't own any land at that time, >> which >> is consistent with him being listed as a laborer in 1794. However, >> if he >> didn't have any property, what did he need a will for? Two, he may >> have >> moved to Germantown sometime before 1760 after living elsewhere for >> the >> previous twenty to thirty years. This is consistent with a >> historical >> account in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA]. >> >> I wasn't able to find a cemetery record for Jacob so that may be an >> indication that he didn't have a headstone originally or that the >> one he >> did have weathered away to illegibility. I did find a cemetery >> record >> for his daughter, Margaret, who was buried at the Market Square >> Presbyterian Church. She was born about 1735-1736, which is >> consistent >> with Jacob being born in the early 1700's. Margaret Snyder was a >> benefactor of this church so I hope that there may be more >> information >> about her in the church records than what is on the headstone. I >> have >> ordered a film of the church records so I'll soon see. >> >> The following will summaries may or not apply to this family. The >> first >> two are for Jacob and his daughter, Margaret. The third may be for >> Jacob's son, Peter, but I doubt it since his occupation doesn't seem >> real >> consistent with Jacob's. The last will has Jacob as a witness. >> >> David Myers >> >> ==================== >> Wills: Abstracts, Philadelphia Co, PA. >> >> Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Thera, Jack Bowman, and >> Judy. >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm >> >> >> SCHNEIDER, JACOB. Germantown. Co. of Phila. Labourer. >> November 2, 1793. January 2, 1794. X.4. >> Children: Peter, Margaret, Elizabeth Bass. >> Exec: William Holbe, Daughter Margaret Schneider. >> Wit: Leonard Sommers, John Myer, Jacob Knorr. >> >> SCHNEIDER, MARGARET. Germantown, City of Phila. >> November 5, 1806. November 17, 1806. 2.26. >> Legacy to Germantown German Presbyterian burying ground. All >> property to >> be sold, interest thereof to her niece Mary Schneider. After her >> death >> the principal to Jacob and Enoch Schneider, my nephews, and Margaret >> Bass >> and Margaret Beck, my relations. >> Wit: John H. Lower, William Dedier, John Conrad. >> >> SCHNEIDER, PETER. County of Philadelphia. Dr. of Physick. >> October 30, 1817. June 16, 1823. 8.33. >> Exrx. wife: Mary Ann Schneider to whom I leave all estate. >> Wit: Robert Whitehead, Charles Rubicom. >> >> HARTMAN, ADAM. Germantown, Phila. Co. Starch maker. >> August 24, 1775. October 2, 1775. >> Wife: Mary Margaret. >> Children: John, Barbara, Margaret and Gertrude. >> Grandson: John Keen. >> Execs.: Mary Margaret Hartman and Jno. Hook. >> Wit: Jacob Schneider, Daniel Luken and John Lehman. Q.203.