David, I think that the Jacob Schneider you are looking for is the one who was buried on December 22, 1793, in the Upper Germantown Burying Ground. It was a Brethren cemetery, although not exclusively so, whose overseers from 1760 were Brethren Ludwig Engelhard and George Schreiber. You might want to take a look at Peter D. Keyser, M.D., "A History of the Upper Germantown Burying-Ground, Germantown Avenue (Main Street) above Washington Avenue," THE PENNSYLVANIA MAGAZINE OF HISTORY AND BIOGRAPHY, Vol. VIII, No. 1, 1884, pp. 414-426. This Jacob Schneider provided financial support for the cemetery along with a considerable number of well-known Brethren. In 1760 he gave 10 shillings. In 1776 he gave 5 shillings. I would assume that he was Brethren and neither Reformed nor Presbyterian. The Jacob Schneider you describe doesn't seem on the surface to be your man in all respects. As I recall there were many, many Schneiders in the Germantown area at the time, so I would consider the possibility that you have a mix of information about the Schneiders. Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Schneider, d. 1793, Germantown, Phil. Co. >I got the film with the records for the Market Square Presbyterian > Church, Germantown, PA and I have significantly more information about > the Jacob Schneider who died in 1793; however, I didn't get what I was > looking for, which was personal information such as birth places, etc. > The consistory records are included on the film and they did mention > Margaret's bequest to the church but there wasn't any personal > information about her in that record. > > The burial records are more confusing than what I would have liked but > the two people below appear to be Margaret's parents. What I don't > understand is why Jacob would be listed as John in this burial record. > Maybe his full name was Johann Jacob Schneider (wouldn't be very > surprising) and it didn't get written down correctly in the church > records. Surely it must be the same guy as the Jacob Schneider whose > will was probated on 2 Jan 1794. And this Anna Barbara must be > Margaret's mother since she was born in 1710, just as Johann Jacob > Schneider was. > > This Jacob Schneider would have been about 19 when the Allen sailed in > 1729 so I am about 90% certain that the Jacob Schneider (1710-1793) who > lived in Germantown is the brother of Anna Margaret (Schneider) Mack. > The weird part is why Margaret would have been baptized in her mid-60's > since the family must have belonged to the Reformed Church in 1760, when > Anna Barbara was buried. Margaret was about 24 at that time and surely > would have belonged to the same religion as her parents. So why was she > baptized again in 1804? Doesn't make sense. Also, were the parents in > the Reformed Church for their entire adult lives or did they convert at > some time, possibly from the Brethren religion? > > In order to solve these problems, I think I will need to figure out where > Jacob Schneider lived in the 1729-1760 time period, which could be very > difficult given how common a name Jacob Schneider is. If you assume that > they belonged to the Reformed religion before 1760, there must be some > records listing them in some way or another. If I can make an > intelligent guess as to where they lived, I can look in Reformed Churches > in that area. It's beginning to look as if the historical account in > Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA] may be accurate, which I > will deal with in another post since this one is getting a little long > already. > > David Myers > > > ----------------------- > Church record of the Germantown Reformed Church, now Market Square > Presbyterian Church, Germantown, 1753-1856 (FHL film #20,347): > > Baptisms. > Margaret, b. Aug. 5, 1738, bapt. Mar. 30, 1804; parents -- Jacob and Anna > Barbara Schneider; sponsors -- Adult. > > Burials. > Anna Barbara Schneider, 50 years, 4 months old, buried May 11, 1760. > John [sic?] Schneider, 83 years, 2 months, 9 days old, died December 28, > 1793, buried December 30, 1793. > > > > > =========================== > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 19:38:27 -0500 myerswd@juno.com writes: >> I believe that this man is the Jacob Schneider who was a brother of >> Anna >> Margaret (Schneider) Mack. There is a Jacob Schneider in Germantown >> from >> 1760 through 1794, and there appears to be only one of them in each >> record, implying that there was only one living there throughout >> this >> period. Jacob isn't listed in the 1734 land records and there are >> two >> explanations for this. One, he didn't own any land at that time, >> which >> is consistent with him being listed as a laborer in 1794. However, >> if he >> didn't have any property, what did he need a will for? Two, he may >> have >> moved to Germantown sometime before 1760 after living elsewhere for >> the >> previous twenty to thirty years. This is consistent with a >> historical >> account in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA]. >> >> I wasn't able to find a cemetery record for Jacob so that may be an >> indication that he didn't have a headstone originally or that the >> one he >> did have weathered away to illegibility. I did find a cemetery >> record >> for his daughter, Margaret, who was buried at the Market Square >> Presbyterian Church. She was born about 1735-1736, which is >> consistent >> with Jacob being born in the early 1700's. Margaret Snyder was a >> benefactor of this church so I hope that there may be more >> information >> about her in the church records than what is on the headstone. I >> have >> ordered a film of the church records so I'll soon see. >> >> The following will summaries may or not apply to this family. The >> first >> two are for Jacob and his daughter, Margaret. The third may be for >> Jacob's son, Peter, but I doubt it since his occupation doesn't seem >> real >> consistent with Jacob's. The last will has Jacob as a witness. >> >> David Myers >> >> ==================== >> Wills: Abstracts, Philadelphia Co, PA. >> >> Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Thera, Jack Bowman, and >> Judy. >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm >> >> >> SCHNEIDER, JACOB. Germantown. Co. of Phila. Labourer. >> November 2, 1793. January 2, 1794. X.4. >> Children: Peter, Margaret, Elizabeth Bass. >> Exec: William Holbe, Daughter Margaret Schneider. >> Wit: Leonard Sommers, John Myer, Jacob Knorr. >> >> SCHNEIDER, MARGARET. Germantown, City of Phila. >> November 5, 1806. November 17, 1806. 2.26. >> Legacy to Germantown German Presbyterian burying ground. All >> property to >> be sold, interest thereof to her niece Mary Schneider. After her >> death >> the principal to Jacob and Enoch Schneider, my nephews, and Margaret >> Bass >> and Margaret Beck, my relations. >> Wit: John H. Lower, William Dedier, John Conrad. >> >> SCHNEIDER, PETER. County of Philadelphia. Dr. of Physick. >> October 30, 1817. June 16, 1823. 8.33. >> Exrx. wife: Mary Ann Schneider to whom I leave all estate. >> Wit: Robert Whitehead, Charles Rubicom. >> >> HARTMAN, ADAM. Germantown, Phila. Co. Starch maker. >> August 24, 1775. October 2, 1775. >> Wife: Mary Margaret. >> Children: John, Barbara, Margaret and Gertrude. >> Grandson: John Keen. >> Execs.: Mary Margaret Hartman and Jno. Hook. >> Wit: Jacob Schneider, Daniel Luken and John Lehman. Q.203. > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message