The historical account of Christian, Mathias and Jacob Schneider that is in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA] is beginning to look more and more plausible to me, but I still have a lot of doubts about it. I have copies of the article from the original book but it is quite lengthy and I don't want to transcribe all of it. There is a recapitulation of the article at these two URLs. http://www.pa-roots.org/data/read.php?31,103156 http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PAMONROE/2002-04/1018816285 They are about as long as the original article, but not exact copies for some reason. Anyway, the article states that Christian settled on Conestoga Creek and attended Zeltenreich Church in New Holland, Lancaster Co., PA. The article also states, "Jacob Schneider and Matheis Schneider took up by patent about 250 acres some distance northeast of Weber-Thal, where Center (now St. John's) Reformed and Lutheran Church is erected." This church apparently is in East Earl Twp. of Lancaster Co., PA but its records (if I remember right) don't start anywhere near to the 1730's, so I don't know what church Jacob and Mathias would have attended. I could see that it might be Zeltenreich but there is a problem there as well. The LDS holdings indicate that the Zeltenreich baptisms don't start until 1746 but Christian's descendants say he had children baptized in the 1730's, supposedly in that area. These couldn't have taken place at the Trinity Lutheran (or Ev. Luth.) Church in New Holland because our library has the records for that church and Christian's children aren't listed. So this is very confusing and I hope that other folks on the list will have the information that I need to make sense of this. I should mention that the article says of the Schneiders, "[t]hey were all followers of Zwingli," whom I believe was a leader in the Reformed religion. This is consistent with the Jacob Schneider (1710-1793) who lived in Germantown since he and his wife were buried in a Reformed Church cemetery. I wonder if anyone knows where this Weber-Thal area is located. William Thomas mentioned that he knew of a Matthias Schneider who owned land in Leacock Township. Maybe that's near Weber-Thal? I also would like to know which Reformed Church records to look in to find the children of Christian Schneider. They must have been baptized somewhere since I have seen specific baptism dates, etc. I also would like to know if there were Brethren congregations in eastern Lancaster Co., PA in the 1730's. I'm thinking that the Schneiders might have settled in that area to be near a Brethren congregation but later converted to the Reformed Church. David Myers ========================= On Thu, 1 May 2008 19:38:27 -0500 myerswd@juno.com writes: > I believe that this man is the Jacob Schneider who was a brother of > Anna > Margaret (Schneider) Mack. There is a Jacob Schneider in Germantown > from > 1760 through 1794, and there appears to be only one of them in each > record, implying that there was only one living there throughout > this > period. Jacob isn't listed in the 1734 land records and there are > two > explanations for this. One, he didn't own any land at that time, > which > is consistent with him being listed as a laborer in 1794. However, > if he > didn't have any property, what did he need a will for? Two, he may > have > moved to Germantown sometime before 1760 after living elsewhere for > the > previous twenty to thirty years. This is consistent with a > historical > account in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA]. > > I wasn't able to find a cemetery record for Jacob so that may be an > indication that he didn't have a headstone originally or that the > one he > did have weathered away to illegibility. I did find a cemetery > record > for his daughter, Margaret, who was buried at the Market Square > Presbyterian Church. She was born about 1735-1736, which is > consistent > with Jacob being born in the early 1700's. Margaret Snyder was a > benefactor of this church so I hope that there may be more > information > about her in the church records than what is on the headstone. I > have > ordered a film of the church records so I'll soon see. > > The following will summaries may or not apply to this family. The > first > two are for Jacob and his daughter, Margaret. The third may be for > Jacob's son, Peter, but I doubt it since his occupation doesn't seem > real > consistent with Jacob's. The last will has Jacob as a witness. > > David Myers > > ==================== > Wills: Abstracts, Philadelphia Co, PA. > > Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Thera, Jack Bowman, and > Judy. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm > > > SCHNEIDER, JACOB. Germantown. Co. of Phila. Labourer. > November 2, 1793. January 2, 1794. X.4. > Children: Peter, Margaret, Elizabeth Bass. > Exec: William Holbe, Daughter Margaret Schneider. > Wit: Leonard Sommers, John Myer, Jacob Knorr. > > SCHNEIDER, MARGARET. Germantown, City of Phila. > November 5, 1806. November 17, 1806. 2.26. > Legacy to Germantown German Presbyterian burying ground. All > property to > be sold, interest thereof to her niece Mary Schneider. After her > death > the principal to Jacob and Enoch Schneider, my nephews, and Margaret > Bass > and Margaret Beck, my relations. > Wit: John H. Lower, William Dedier, John Conrad. > > SCHNEIDER, PETER. County of Philadelphia. Dr. of Physick. > October 30, 1817. June 16, 1823. 8.33. > Exrx. wife: Mary Ann Schneider to whom I leave all estate. > Wit: Robert Whitehead, Charles Rubicom. > > HARTMAN, ADAM. Germantown, Phila. Co. Starch maker. > August 24, 1775. October 2, 1775. > Wife: Mary Margaret. > Children: John, Barbara, Margaret and Gertrude. Grandson: John Keen. > Execs.: Mary Margaret Hartman and Jno. Hook. > Wit: Jacob Schneider, Daniel Luken and John Lehman. Q.203.

David, I think you might save yourself some grief by not looking at all the Schneiders whose given names were Christian, Jacob, and Mathias. I went this route in preparing for my Ship Allen Brethren paper for the July FOBG meeting in Richmond, and, after spinning wheels for far too long, I discovered that the surname Schneider is too common a name and that the Schneiders appear in almost all counties and townships therein. Rest assured that your Jacob Schneider lived in the Germantown area. I still haven't been able to trace Christian Schneider. As for Mathias Schneider, I am not convinced that he was part of the Mack Brethren party on the Allen, or that he was even related to Christian and Jacob who were in Mack's party. Dwayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Schneider, d. 1793, Germantown, Phil. Co. > The historical account of Christian, Mathias and Jacob Schneider that is > in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA] is beginning to look more > and more plausible to me, but I still have a lot of doubts about it. I > have copies of the article from the original book but it is quite lengthy > and I don't want to transcribe all of it. There is a recapitulation of > the article at these two URLs. > > http://www.pa-roots.org/data/read.php?31,103156 > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PAMONROE/2002-04/1018816285 > > They are about as long as the original article, but not exact copies for > some reason. Anyway, the article states that Christian settled on > Conestoga Creek and attended Zeltenreich Church in New Holland, Lancaster > Co., PA. The article also states, "Jacob Schneider and Matheis Schneider > took up by patent about 250 acres some distance northeast of Weber-Thal, > where Center (now St. John's) Reformed and Lutheran Church is erected." > This church apparently is in East Earl Twp. of Lancaster Co., PA but its > records (if I remember right) don't start anywhere near to the 1730's, so > I don't know what church Jacob and Mathias would have attended. I could > see that it might be Zeltenreich but there is a problem there as well. > The LDS holdings indicate that the Zeltenreich baptisms don't start until > 1746 but Christian's descendants say he had children baptized in the > 1730's, supposedly in that area. These couldn't have taken place at the > Trinity Lutheran (or Ev. Luth.) Church in New Holland because our library > has the records for that church and Christian's children aren't listed. > > So this is very confusing and I hope that other folks on the list will > have the information that I need to make sense of this. I should mention > that the article says of the Schneiders, "[t]hey were all followers of > Zwingli," whom I believe was a leader in the Reformed religion. This is > consistent with the Jacob Schneider (1710-1793) who lived in Germantown > since he and his wife were buried in a Reformed Church cemetery. I > wonder if anyone knows where this Weber-Thal area is located. William > Thomas mentioned that he knew of a Matthias Schneider who owned land in > Leacock Township. Maybe that's near Weber-Thal? > > I also would like to know which Reformed Church records to look in to > find the children of Christian Schneider. They must have been baptized > somewhere since I have seen specific baptism dates, etc. I also would > like to know if there were Brethren congregations in eastern Lancaster > Co., PA in the 1730's. I'm thinking that the Schneiders might have > settled in that area to be near a Brethren congregation but later > converted to the Reformed Church. > > David Myers > > > > ========================= > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 19:38:27 -0500 myerswd@juno.com writes: >> I believe that this man is the Jacob Schneider who was a brother of >> Anna >> Margaret (Schneider) Mack. There is a Jacob Schneider in Germantown >> from >> 1760 through 1794, and there appears to be only one of them in each >> record, implying that there was only one living there throughout >> this >> period. Jacob isn't listed in the 1734 land records and there are >> two >> explanations for this. One, he didn't own any land at that time, >> which >> is consistent with him being listed as a laborer in 1794. However, >> if he >> didn't have any property, what did he need a will for? Two, he may >> have >> moved to Germantown sometime before 1760 after living elsewhere for >> the >> previous twenty to thirty years. This is consistent with a >> historical >> account in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA]. >> >> I wasn't able to find a cemetery record for Jacob so that may be an >> indication that he didn't have a headstone originally or that the >> one he >> did have weathered away to illegibility. I did find a cemetery >> record >> for his daughter, Margaret, who was buried at the Market Square >> Presbyterian Church. She was born about 1735-1736, which is >> consistent >> with Jacob being born in the early 1700's. Margaret Snyder was a >> benefactor of this church so I hope that there may be more >> information >> about her in the church records than what is on the headstone. I >> have >> ordered a film of the church records so I'll soon see. >> >> The following will summaries may or not apply to this family. The >> first >> two are for Jacob and his daughter, Margaret. The third may be for >> Jacob's son, Peter, but I doubt it since his occupation doesn't seem >> real >> consistent with Jacob's. The last will has Jacob as a witness. >> >> David Myers >> >> ==================== >> Wills: Abstracts, Philadelphia Co, PA. >> >> Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Thera, Jack Bowman, and >> Judy. >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm >> >> >> SCHNEIDER, JACOB. Germantown. Co. of Phila. Labourer. >> November 2, 1793. January 2, 1794. X.4. >> Children: Peter, Margaret, Elizabeth Bass. >> Exec: William Holbe, Daughter Margaret Schneider. >> Wit: Leonard Sommers, John Myer, Jacob Knorr. >> >> SCHNEIDER, MARGARET. Germantown, City of Phila. >> November 5, 1806. November 17, 1806. 2.26. >> Legacy to Germantown German Presbyterian burying ground. All >> property to >> be sold, interest thereof to her niece Mary Schneider. After her >> death >> the principal to Jacob and Enoch Schneider, my nephews, and Margaret >> Bass >> and Margaret Beck, my relations. >> Wit: John H. Lower, William Dedier, John Conrad. >> >> SCHNEIDER, PETER. County of Philadelphia. Dr. of Physick. >> October 30, 1817. June 16, 1823. 8.33. >> Exrx. wife: Mary Ann Schneider to whom I leave all estate. >> Wit: Robert Whitehead, Charles Rubicom. >> >> HARTMAN, ADAM. Germantown, Phila. Co. Starch maker. >> August 24, 1775. October 2, 1775. >> Wife: Mary Margaret. >> Children: John, Barbara, Margaret and Gertrude. Grandson: John Keen. >> Execs.: Mary Margaret Hartman and Jno. Hook. >> Wit: Jacob Schneider, Daniel Luken and John Lehman. Q.203.

The town of Intercourse Pa is in Leacock Twp. (Co. established in 1729 per sign at city limits). I don't know if that is close to Weber-Thal. My ancestors 1st settled there (Leacock Twp. _and later moved near Brickerville where there is an early Lutheran church and a Reformed Church known as Zion Reformed and "Royer's" ( . . These locations may be worth checking out as sometimes families seemed to re-locate in groups. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Schneider, d. 1793, Germantown, Phil. Co. > The historical account of Christian, Mathias and Jacob Schneider that is > in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA] is beginning to look more > and more plausible to me, but I still have a lot of doubts about it. I > have copies of the article from the original book but it is quite lengthy > and I don't want to transcribe all of it. There is a recapitulation of > the article at these two URLs. > > http://www.pa-roots.org/data/read.php?31,103156 > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PAMONROE/2002-04/1018816285 > > They are about as long as the original article, but not exact copies for > some reason. Anyway, the article states that Christian settled on > Conestoga Creek and attended Zeltenreich Church in New Holland, Lancaster > Co., PA. The article also states, "Jacob Schneider and Matheis Schneider > took up by patent about 250 acres some distance northeast of Weber-Thal, > where Center (now St. John's) Reformed and Lutheran Church is erected." > This church apparently is in East Earl Twp. of Lancaster Co., PA but its > records (if I remember right) don't start anywhere near to the 1730's, so > I don't know what church Jacob and Mathias would have attended. I could > see that it might be Zeltenreich but there is a problem there as well. > The LDS holdings indicate that the Zeltenreich baptisms don't start until > 1746 but Christian's descendants say he had children baptized in the > 1730's, supposedly in that area. These couldn't have taken place at the > Trinity Lutheran (or Ev. Luth.) Church in New Holland because our library > has the records for that church and Christian's children aren't listed. > > So this is very confusing and I hope that other folks on the list will > have the information that I need to make sense of this. I should mention > that the article says of the Schneiders, "[t]hey were all followers of > Zwingli," whom I believe was a leader in the Reformed religion. This is > consistent with the Jacob Schneider (1710-1793) who lived in Germantown > since he and his wife were buried in a Reformed Church cemetery. I > wonder if anyone knows where this Weber-Thal area is located. William > Thomas mentioned that he knew of a Matthias Schneider who owned land in > Leacock Township. Maybe that's near Weber-Thal? > > I also would like to know which Reformed Church records to look in to > find the children of Christian Schneider. They must have been baptized > somewhere since I have seen specific baptism dates, etc. I also would > like to know if there were Brethren congregations in eastern Lancaster > Co., PA in the 1730's. I'm thinking that the Schneiders might have > settled in that area to be near a Brethren congregation but later > converted to the Reformed Church. > > David Myers > > > > ========================= > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 19:38:27 -0500 myerswd@juno.com writes: >> I believe that this man is the Jacob Schneider who was a brother of >> Anna >> Margaret (Schneider) Mack. There is a Jacob Schneider in Germantown >> from >> 1760 through 1794, and there appears to be only one of them in each >> record, implying that there was only one living there throughout >> this >> period. Jacob isn't listed in the 1734 land records and there are >> two >> explanations for this. One, he didn't own any land at that time, >> which >> is consistent with him being listed as a laborer in 1794. However, >> if he >> didn't have any property, what did he need a will for? Two, he may >> have >> moved to Germantown sometime before 1760 after living elsewhere for >> the >> previous twenty to thirty years. This is consistent with a >> historical >> account in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA]. >> >> I wasn't able to find a cemetery record for Jacob so that may be an >> indication that he didn't have a headstone originally or that the >> one he >> did have weathered away to illegibility. I did find a cemetery >> record >> for his daughter, Margaret, who was buried at the Market Square >> Presbyterian Church. She was born about 1735-1736, which is >> consistent >> with Jacob being born in the early 1700's. Margaret Snyder was a >> benefactor of this church so I hope that there may be more >> information >> about her in the church records than what is on the headstone. I >> have >> ordered a film of the church records so I'll soon see. >> >> The following will summaries may or not apply to this family. The >> first >> two are for Jacob and his daughter, Margaret. The third may be for >> Jacob's son, Peter, but I doubt it since his occupation doesn't seem >> real >> consistent with Jacob's. The last will has Jacob as a witness. >> >> David Myers >> >> ==================== >> Wills: Abstracts, Philadelphia Co, PA. >> >> Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Thera, Jack Bowman, and >> Judy. >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm >> >> >> SCHNEIDER, JACOB. Germantown. Co. of Phila. Labourer. >> November 2, 1793. January 2, 1794. X.4. >> Children: Peter, Margaret, Elizabeth Bass. >> Exec: William Holbe, Daughter Margaret Schneider. >> Wit: Leonard Sommers, John Myer, Jacob Knorr. >> >> SCHNEIDER, MARGARET. Germantown, City of Phila. >> November 5, 1806. November 17, 1806. 2.26. >> Legacy to Germantown German Presbyterian burying ground. All >> property to >> be sold, interest thereof to her niece Mary Schneider. After her >> death >> the principal to Jacob and Enoch Schneider, my nephews, and Margaret >> Bass >> and Margaret Beck, my relations. >> Wit: John H. Lower, William Dedier, John Conrad. >> >> SCHNEIDER, PETER. County of Philadelphia. Dr. of Physick. >> October 30, 1817. June 16, 1823. 8.33. >> Exrx. wife: Mary Ann Schneider to whom I leave all estate. >> Wit: Robert Whitehead, Charles Rubicom. >> >> HARTMAN, ADAM. Germantown, Phila. Co. Starch maker. >> August 24, 1775. October 2, 1775. >> Wife: Mary Margaret. >> Children: John, Barbara, Margaret and Gertrude. Grandson: John Keen. >> Execs.: Mary Margaret Hartman and Jno. Hook. >> Wit: Jacob Schneider, Daniel Luken and John Lehman. 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