Thank you very much - no these are not proved - and at this date, I do not remember where I found these leads, can't even find an original recording for it - just a note I had passed on. Somewhere I had a connection of David Martin, with brothers who had gone south - and as far as I know - we do not really have proof that David is a son of George Adam. One thing I noticed on World Connect (thanks, again, to Gale for showing me it) - and these are far from absolute dates - The marriage of George Adam Martin and Mary Knepper is estimated as About 1745 - David is given birth as 1737 Mary Knepper is given birth as About 1725 (George Adam is given birth as 1712 -so considerably older). The dates bring problems - Mary's birth date is approximately correct- the Knepper family is prominent in Brethren history - her parents were married in 1723 in Holland a brother, Peter, married a sister, Elizabeth, of George Adam a brother-in-law, John Horn (wife Catherine), assisted George Adam in his ministry travels (lodging etc). Knepper Meeting House - family - on the Antietam in Franklin Co PA - has to be very close to Snow Hill Cloisters (been to Snow Hill, didn't know much then about the Kneppers) and George Adam Martin has connections to Snow Hill better stop - I'm rambling Merle > > this means that the John from Abbeville county are the one believed > (proved?) to be the son of George Adams Martin? and likely the James as well? > > steven rowe > > >