Oddly enough, Ham was traditionally stated as being the John H by earlier historians. Mentioned without source in 1884 in Richard Eddy's UNIVERSALISM IN AMERICA, volume 1. H.K. Carroll stated this as well in a 1878 magazine article in SUNDAY AFTERNOON magazine. Going back further to 1848 is Dave Bennedict in the "General History of the Baptist Denomination in America...) claiming it was Ham. He puts these Dunker universalists in Green River County, Kentucky; southern Illinois, Missouri, and Iowa. I think Ive seen material from around this same time (1840s), but Im still working on putting my notes in order. steven rowe **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)