Merle: A couple comments related to Francis Stump. I recently was unable to find any deeds related to Francis in the Somerset County Courthouse. You do find John and George Stump in early 19th Century tax records, and John is seen on several patent survey maps. Francis is also listed on patent survey maps for property in the Brothersvalley vicinity. Francis is noted in the diary of Peter Livengood in 1783. The implication in the entry is that Francis was a young man, since it relates to paying for his boarding. The other name mentioned (John Miller) lived in Elk Lick Township. This further confirms he was living in the Brothersvalley area. Early Brothersvalley tax records include a Paul Martin who was a single freeman, but he disappears after that on the tax records. However, the 1790 census for Bedford County includes a series of Marton's, including a Benjamin, Daniel, Isaac, Jacob, John and Powel (Paul??). Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Merle C Rummel Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:15 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com; ErdmanPL@msn.com Subject: [BRE] Rachel Martin Stump Kimmel Working on my Brethren in Kentucky book - and Rachel Martin married first the Minister, Francis Stump, then, after his death, married Phillip Kimmel. According to Blough (History of Brethren in Western Pennsylvania) they lived in Somerset Co PA (certainly Brothers Valley), then moved to Fayette Co PA on the Youghiogheny River, before they moved to Muhlenberg Co KY. Francis Stump sold his land in Pennsylvania in 1799. He obtained land in Muhlenberg Co KY on Pond Creek and Mud River in 1797 and 1798. I suspect that he actually moved to Kentucky in those couple years. His only known son, Frederick Stump, was cruelly murdered in 1799 while fishing in the Green River. This murder has been associated with the infamous Harp brothers. Now - I'm finding some problems: We have associated Rachel as the daughter of Elder George Adam Martin and Mary Knepper, who moved to Brothers Valley, Somerset Co PA, in 1764, from the Bermudian or the Antietam (Franklin Co PA). But I am finding (World Connect) that most researchers have given her as the daughter of Johann Everhard Martin and Jacobine Elizabetha Wunderlich (who in turn are near the same age as George Adam, are from Wurtenberg Germany, and go to Mifflin Co PA)(George Adam Martin is from Landstuhl Germany - I don't know anything about that -could these be brothers?). Also, in Muhlenberg Co KY - I have her marrying Phillip Kimmel on Feb 1801, but Francis Stump does not die until Sep 1801. And Phillip Kimmel's first wife, a Drucilla Penrod, does not die till 1803. I'm wondering how much exact information there is on these dates? The surviving children of Rachel and Francis Stump are given as: Elizabeth (born c1790); Mary (born c1792) and Barbara (born c1794) - information says that Elizabeth married John Vought; Mary married Gilbert Vought and Barbara married a Frampton. BUT - Mary, daughter of Eberhard Martin (possible sister of Rachel) married c1778 - Gilbert F Vaught and came to Muhlenberg Co Ky with Capt Henry Rhoads about 1785. (Gilbert is a preacher at the Hazel Creek Baptist Church - the Rhoads Church - likely one of the lost Brethren Churches!) Mary's sister: Elizabeth, daughter of Eberhard Martin (possible sister of Rachel) married c1783 - John Vaught and came to Muhlenberg Co, after Gilbert was there neither of these families had sons that married the Stump daughters. I might add - John Christopher Martin, son of Eberhard Martin (possible brother of Rachel) married c1772 -Prudence Vaught, and came to Darke Co OH and - Anna Barbara, daughter of Eberhard Martin (possible sister of Rachel) married 1780 - John Frampton, to Beaver Co PA these seem too coincidental - Has anyone research information on Rachel Martin Stump Kimmel? - or is most of this the acceptance of other research? Merle C Rummel ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a note for anyone who might be interested. Here is some information on my Dad's side (Cripe). Most of this information seems most difficult to find so thought I would share. This is from the Family Bible. There has been question for a long time about how Irena spelled her name. Dewey's Son has the family Bible and I just obtained this information through his wonderful Sister. Ira Cripe was also my Father. Mary Cripe/Martha Cripe and Alice Cripe were his sisters. I don't know the name of Montz or Grow or Lands. I am thinking Bob Cripe must have been an Uncle perhaps? Found this all very interesting. This is all they recorded. My Best, Iris Cripe-Wilde Jacob E. Cripe and Irena A. Robison wed on Sunday June 3, 1883 at the residence of J. Montz. Witnesses were Jacob Grow and wife, Joseph Lands and wife, Bob Cripe and wife and Lizzie Frantz (or Frentz) Jacob E. Cripe born July 20, 1852, d. October 30, 1928 Irena A. Cripe born January 3, 1865 Martha E. Cripe b. July 6, 1884 Mary A. Cripe b. January 26, 1888, d. January 14, 1908. Infant son died January 14, 1908 Alice Cripe b. Nov. 2, 1889 Ira D. Cripe b. June 5, 1894 Dewey Ira Cripe b. March 17, 1926, d. September 27, 1972 Ira Cripe d. April 27, 1975