Dwayne, What a great find! You are doing some important work on these families. I am a little confused about the terms that are used in these types of transactions. If you don't mind, perhaps you could summarize them a little. I'm sure that it would help other researchers on the list. For instance, what exactly is a person doing when they "warrant" a piece of land? Do they gain legal possession of it, does money change hands, etc.? If that is the case, I don't know what the patenting part of the transaction would add. Very confusing. In this particular case, it seems odd that Christian Schneider would be associated with this piece of land since he lived in an area that is now in eastern Lancaster County. The area that you describe is more like the area that the Kitzmillers lived in, so I wonder if Christian Schneider was acting for them for some reason or there was something else going on that my lack of understanding of these land transactions blinds me to. And it's puzzling how far apart the patent and warrant were. Maybe this makes sense if a person has more knowledge on this subject. David Myers On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:12:19 -0400 "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: > I have stumbled upon a warrant, survey, and patent that seems to tie > Christian Schneider (married Susanna Mack) to Christophel > Kalckglasser (married Maria Mack). "Christian Kalligleaser" > warranted 200 acres on a brook of Tulpehocken Creek on 19 August > 1738. The land was surveyed as 226 acres on 14 May 1740 > (C-107-131). The tract was patented 29 November 1762 by "Christian > Snyder" (AA-4-78). The land was located in that part of Lancaster > County that became Berks County. > > Susanna Mack and Maria Mack were sisters who came over with their > young husbands from Surhuisterveen to Philadelphia on the Ship Allen > in 1729. > > Question for David Myers: Does any of this fit into your research > findings about the mysterious Christian Sneider? > > Dwayne Wrightsman ____________________________________________________________ Free info for small business owners. Click here to find great products geared for your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m7tDKS1Khzim6KD8u157W4nM3P52rbdXOVQoHPVeyaRP2FC/
What follows is an explanation from a paper presented by a Joseph P. Wolf in 1999. "In Pennsylvania, there were five steps in the land patent process. The first step was the application by the potential settler for land to be granted by the proprietors or state government. After the application was made, the land officer issued a warrant, simply an order given to survey the desired land. Next, the deputy surveyor made a survey of the land applied for. This survey was a graphic representation of the land to be purchased drawn to approximate scale with names of owners of adjacent property or any waterways or other natural landmarks that would define the boundaries of the property. Then the land office made an official return of survey, which was a reiteration of the warrant and survey order and a statement of confirmation of payment of fees, etc. The last step in the process was the issuance of the patent, the official deed transferring land from the proprietor (or state government) to the individual." I should add that the warrantee and the patentee are often different people. I have also found the names listed in the PA Archives for patentees are not always the names show in Somerset County Courthouse documents, which contains the surveys. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Myers Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:16 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Christian Schneider Patent Dwayne, What a great find! You are doing some important work on these families. I am a little confused about the terms that are used in these types of transactions. If you don't mind, perhaps you could summarize them a little. I'm sure that it would help other researchers on the list. For instance, what exactly is a person doing when they "warrant" a piece of land? Do they gain legal possession of it, does money change hands, etc.? If that is the case, I don't know what the patenting part of the transaction would add. Very confusing. In this particular case, it seems odd that Christian Schneider would be associated with this piece of land since he lived in an area that is now in eastern Lancaster County. The area that you describe is more like the area that the Kitzmillers lived in, so I wonder if Christian Schneider was acting for them for some reason or there was something else going on that my lack of understanding of these land transactions blinds me to. And it's puzzling how far apart the patent and warrant were. Maybe this makes sense if a person has more knowledge on this subject. David Myers On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:12:19 -0400 "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: > I have stumbled upon a warrant, survey, and patent that seems to tie > Christian Schneider (married Susanna Mack) to Christophel > Kalckglasser (married Maria Mack). "Christian Kalligleaser" > warranted 200 acres on a brook of Tulpehocken Creek on 19 August > 1738. The land was surveyed as 226 acres on 14 May 1740 > (C-107-131). The tract was patented 29 November 1762 by "Christian > Snyder" (AA-4-78). The land was located in that part of Lancaster > County that became Berks County. > > Susanna Mack and Maria Mack were sisters who came over with their > young husbands from Surhuisterveen to Philadelphia on the Ship Allen > in 1729. > > Question for David Myers: Does any of this fit into your research > findings about the mysterious Christian Sneider? > > Dwayne Wrightsman ____________________________________________________________ Free info for small business owners. Click here to find great products geared for your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m7tDKS1Khzim6KD8u157W4nM3 P52rbdXOVQoHPVeyaRP2FC/ ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
David, As explained in Bill Thomas's message, the process of warrant-survey-patent was a long process, often, if not usually, taking many years. The patentee was often on the land prior to obtaining the patent (legal ownership). In the case of warrantee "Christopher Kalligleser," he could have been on the land for many years before it was patented by "Christian Snyder" in 1762. Kalckloeser may have died prior to 1762, and Schneider, being Kalckloeser's brother-in-law, may have picked it up in the settlement. Alternatively, Kalckloeser may have wanted to vacate the land and found his brother-in-law willing to take it over and patent it. Many things are possible. There were two surveys of the land, C-107-131 and A-53-193, which I found online. These surveys are just like the ones that are still done today, i.e., a map of the property with the names of the surrounding neighbors. On the C-107-131 survey that I downloaded, the property was shown and described as being in Heidelberg Township (was Lancaster, now Berks) on Licking Run which is a branch of Tulpehocken Creek. If I were in your shoes, I would research Christopher Kalckloesser (zillion spellings of this name) in terms of where he paid taxes and when and where he died. I look forward to seeing how you integrate this into your existing Christian Schneider research. Dwayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Christian Schneider Patent > Dwayne, > > What a great find! You are doing some important work on these families. > I am a little confused about the terms that are used in these types of > transactions. If you don't mind, perhaps you could summarize them a > little. I'm sure that it would help other researchers on the list. For > instance, what exactly is a person doing when they "warrant" a piece of > land? Do they gain legal possession of it, does money change hands, > etc.? If that is the case, I don't know what the patenting part of the > transaction would add. Very confusing. > > In this particular case, it seems odd that Christian Schneider would be > associated with this piece of land since he lived in an area that is now > in eastern Lancaster County. The area that you describe is more like the > area that the Kitzmillers lived in, so I wonder if Christian Schneider > was acting for them for some reason or there was something else going on > that my lack of understanding of these land transactions blinds me to. > And it's puzzling how far apart the patent and warrant were. Maybe this > makes sense if a person has more knowledge on this subject. > > David Myers > > > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:12:19 -0400 "Dwayne Wrightsman" > <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: >> I have stumbled upon a warrant, survey, and patent that seems to tie >> Christian Schneider (married Susanna Mack) to Christophel >> Kalckglasser (married Maria Mack). "Christian Kalligleaser" >> warranted 200 acres on a brook of Tulpehocken Creek on 19 August >> 1738. The land was surveyed as 226 acres on 14 May 1740 >> (C-107-131). The tract was patented 29 November 1762 by "Christian >> Snyder" (AA-4-78). The land was located in that part of Lancaster >> County that became Berks County. >> >> Susanna Mack and Maria Mack were sisters who came over with their >> young husbands from Surhuisterveen to Philadelphia on the Ship Allen >> in 1729. >> >> Question for David Myers: Does any of this fit into your research >> findings about the mysterious Christian Sneider? >> >> Dwayne Wrightsman