David, You need to be a little careful about marriages. Brethren and Mennonites were often married by Lutheran and Reformed ministers in Pennsylvania during the 1700s for various reasons, some legal, some having to do with location, convenience, timing, etc. Such a marriage did not necessarily mean that the couple had changed faith. An example is John Brubacher/Brubaker of Cocalico who married Anna Meyer/Myers of Bethel on May 1, 1774. They were married by the Lutheran minister, John Casper Stoever, who traveled far and wide and married hundreds of young couples throughout eastern Pennsylvania. John and Anna Meyer Brubaker were Anabaptists and remained so all their lives. Their Brethren Brubaker descendants numbered in the thousands. Baptisms of the children, of course, were another matter. Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: [BRE] Jacob Mack m. Hannah Engelhard, 1752 >I was doing some research in Philadelphia Co., PA records and came across > the following marriage. I had no idea that Jacob Mack, grandson of > Alexander Mack (b. 1679), had belonged to a non-Brethren church. Rev. > Ankrum says nothing about this in "Alexander Mack the Tunker and > Descendants" but he has the same marriage date so he must have been aware > of this record. Makes me wonder if some of the Mack children from this > marriage were baptized in this church. Those records weren't available > on this website but I may be able to find them in our downtown library. > > David Myers > > ------------------------------------ > Church: Part I - ST. MICHAEL'S & ZION LUTHERAN CHURCH Marriages > 1745-1760: Philadelphia, PA. > > Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Joe Patterson and Judy Banja > (jpatter@epix.net jbanja@email.msn.com). > > Pennsylvania Archives. Second Series. Published under direction of > Matthew S. Quay, Secretary of the Commonwealth. > Edited by John B. Linn and Wm. H. Egle, M.D. Vol. IX. > Harrisburg: Lane S. Hart, State printer 1880. > "St. Michael's and Zion Church, Philadelphia," pp. 287-311. > > Frederick S Weiser and Debra D Smith CGRS published a 2 volume set on St > Michael's Evangelical Church, Germantown [now part of Philadelphia] PA > for the years 1741-1841. The publisher was Picton Press in Rockport ME. > > 1752. > October 16, Jacob Maak and Hannah Engelhard, L [date from license]. > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ditto to what Dwayne said about Brethren being married by other denominations. The same caution regarding infant baptism records in Europe. A number of Anabaptists in Switzerland allowed their children to be baptized in the state sanctioned Reformed Church, to avoid persecution, such as having their children taken from them. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:11 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Mack m. Hannah Engelhard, 1752 David, You need to be a little careful about marriages. Brethren and Mennonites were often married by Lutheran and Reformed ministers in Pennsylvania during the 1700s for various reasons, some legal, some having to do with location, convenience, timing, etc. Such a marriage did not necessarily mean that the couple had changed faith. An example is John Brubacher/Brubaker of Cocalico who married Anna Meyer/Myers of Bethel on May 1, 1774. They were married by the Lutheran minister, John Casper Stoever, who traveled far and wide and married hundreds of young couples throughout eastern Pennsylvania. John and Anna Meyer Brubaker were Anabaptists and remained so all their lives. Their Brethren Brubaker descendants numbered in the thousands. Baptisms of the children, of course, were another matter. Dwayne Wrightsman