I am asking many questions - as I work on these families for my Frontier Brethren (Kentucky etc of c1800) Book - So far I have some 60 pages on some 15 primary families -and do not have several families entered - just in collection work. right now - there are a few questions more about Elder Michael Pfautz of the Pipe Creek Church - Frederick/Carroll Co MD. I don't think I will run into any direct Kentucky movement of the children/grandchildren of Elder Michael Pfautz of Pipe Creek. To be more expansive: I do not find any of the children of his parents - Elder Johann Michael Pfautz/Catherine Neff - of Conestoga/Cocalico, Lancaster Co PA -being in the southern migration - and - even farther back - I trace none of the immigrant family - Hans Michael Pfautz/Ursula Muhlenhauser - moving southward - except son Jacob (and grandson Michael) going to Pipe Creek. I did find it interesting: Hans Michael disinherited his son Johann Michael Pfautz - because he went Brethren - "due to the influence of his wife" - he doesn't even name in his will - makes the next son (only other surviving son) heir. Here's what I have on Elder Michael Pfautz of Pipe Creek: (this is the form I am using) Michael and Barbara seem to have had only 5 children. Michael PFAUTZ..........m. c1754......................Barbara CRUMPACKER b.......1734 Lancaster Co PA..............................b. 10 Sep 1724 Chester Co PA d.......1825 Frederick Co MD.............................d. 13 Sep 1813 Frederick Co MD bur: Wolfe Cemetery, Union Bridge MD f. Hans Michael Pfautz........................................f. Hans Grumbcher m. Catherine Neff...............................................m. Elizabeth #1 ch: .....Solomon......(1760-1839)..m..(..married: when?/who?...............lived where? ) ....Catherine......(1764-?..........m.(..married: when?/who?...............lived where? ) ....Mary............(1766-1843)...m.(..married: when?/who?...............lived where? ) ....David...........(1768-1849)...m.(..married: when?/who?................lived where? ) ....Hannah........(1772-?...........m.(..married: when?/who?................lived where? ) lived Cocalico, Lancaster Co PA 1762 - Pipe Creek, Frederick Co MD Elder - Pipe Creek Church I have that a sister: Catherine - married a Peter Crumpacker (of Coventry) - does anyone have anything about this family? Catherine PFOUTZ...........m...............................Peter GRUMBACHER b........c1735 Lancaster Co PA............................b.........c1741 Chester Co PA d.............?..........................................................d...........1778 f. Hans Michael Pfautz........................................f. Hans Grumbacher m. Catherine Neff................................................m. Elizabeth (#2) Juniley ch: ? My father pastored the Mineral Creek Church, Leeton, Johnson Co MO during WWII. the Missionary, Frank Crumpacker, came "back home" to visit while we were there. I remember him (did Dad have a "series of meetings" -while he was there?). I do suspect he was descended in this family - - To me, that means that either his family moved west with the other Fouts -through Kentucky, Illinois -to Missouri. OR - The Mohlers moved to Leeton (essentially founded the church) back during the 1870s - from Darke Co/Miami Co OH - and the Crumpackers came west with - or soon after - the Mohlers. The "Carolina - Kentucky" Fouts families seem to be descendants of: Johan David Pfautz and his second wife - Anna Barbara Hohn (widow) -to Rowan/Lincoln Cos NC in the 1700s (David died c1779, Rowan Co NC) David Theobald Fouts and Catrina Spengal - PIpe Creek to Uwharrie River Rowan Co NC -1762 (Theobald died c1793, Ashe Co NC) Jacob Fouts and Mary Magdelina Kuntz - Rowan and Randolph Cos NC (both died c1762) while I have collected considerable information on these families - there is still more to obtain - and I would like any help on relationships between these. Thank you for any assistance Merle C Rummel