Let me throw another theory into the mess from Berks County to Somerset County - in those years Elder George Adam Miller - while he moved first to the Antietam before going on to Brother's Valley - was originally from the general area including Berks -and we find a number of those who moved to Somerset were of his Pietistic frame of belief. (The Stony Creek Church had recorded problems between the Brethren and the Sabbatarians -those holding more to the Ephrata beliefs.) One of the pietist concepts was that of celibacy - "living with" was used in several of the statements about pietists practicing celibacy - when a couple men were living together as celibates. Again - ages are not given -but could we be seeing here a couple men holding to pietistic celibacy - living together? That doesn't mean that it continued forever - but for that period of time - and - at least with Elder Jacob Miller (who was in Brother's Valley from 1764-1766) the "living with" (Harshbarger Letter - in the Miami Valley in Ohio) seems to possibly be a "living nearby" - "living nextdoor" - "taking care of each other"!! Merle C Rummel > >> I thought I would pass this tidbit of information along regarding Francis >> Stump. It is from the Journal of Peter Liebundgutt (Livengood), a notable >> German Baptist from Somerset County. Peter was likely Amish prior to >> this, >> since a number of his children married into Amish families, and he >> emigrated >> from Berks County to Somerset County with a group of Amish. >> >> >> >> The entry is dated August 20, 1783, and the info of interest is this: "we >> have loaned John Miller money for keeping Frantz Stump namely". >> >> >> >> John Miller is likely my ancestor "Wounded" John Miller, who was Amish and >> sold his farm in Elk Lick Township to Peter Livengood about 1786. John >> emigrated from Berks County at about the same time as Peter Livengood. >> The >> implication of the journal entry is that Frantz was living with John >> Miller. >> That would imply that Frantz was young, and possibly an orphan. The >> interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would >> Peter >> lend it? >> >> >> >> I have noted in the past of property records from a decade earlier for a >> John Stump, who owned property adjacent the Rhoads family in the Glades >> area, which is some miles north of the original Miller property. >> Property >> maps of Somerset County show Francis had warranted property in 1785 very >> close to Peter Livengood in current Elk Lick Township. A neighbor of >> Peter >> was Michael Beeghley. On the other side of the Beeghley property was a >> John >> Stump. The maps also show Francis Stump and Christian Schrock owning >> property together in 1786 next to Henry Rhoads in current Summit Township >> (near Meyersdale). Christian Schrock was Amish, and his brother John >> married a daughter of John Miller. >> >> >> >> Bill Thomas >> >> >>

There was a group of Berks County Amish who lived near the Northkill Creek area. They came to Somerset County about 1771. Families in this migration included Miller's, Gnaegi, Lehman, Speicher and Zug, among others, and of course Peter Livengood. The Miller contingent included Nicholas Miller (John Miller's brother), and Michael Miller (a nephew of John, and son of Jacob Miller). If you believe Austin Cooper's account, the Brethren were in Somerset County in 1762. I don't know of any connection between this Miller family (which was definitely Amish), and Jacob Miller who was Brethren. -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Merle C Rummel Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:31 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Francis Stump item Let me throw another theory into the mess from Berks County to Somerset County - in those years Elder George Adam Miller - while he moved first to the Antietam before going on to Brother's Valley - was originally from the general area including Berks -and we find a number of those who moved to Somerset were of his Pietistic frame of belief. (The Stony Creek Church had recorded problems between the Brethren and the Sabbatarians -those holding more to the Ephrata beliefs.) One of the pietist concepts was that of celibacy - "living with" was used in several of the statements about pietists practicing celibacy - when a couple men were living together as celibates. Again - ages are not given -but could we be seeing here a couple men holding to pietistic celibacy - living together? That doesn't mean that it continued forever - but for that period of time - and - at least with Elder Jacob Miller (who was in Brother's Valley from 1764-1766) the "living with" (Harshbarger Letter - in the Miami Valley in Ohio) seems to possibly be a "living nearby" - "living nextdoor" - "taking care of each other"!! Merle C Rummel > >> I thought I would pass this tidbit of information along regarding Francis >> Stump. It is from the Journal of Peter Liebundgutt (Livengood), a notable >> German Baptist from Somerset County. Peter was likely Amish prior to >> this, >> since a number of his children married into Amish families, and he >> emigrated >> from Berks County to Somerset County with a group of Amish. >> >> >> >> The entry is dated August 20, 1783, and the info of interest is this: "we >> have loaned John Miller money for keeping Frantz Stump namely". >> >> >> >> John Miller is likely my ancestor "Wounded" John Miller, who was Amish and >> sold his farm in Elk Lick Township to Peter Livengood about 1786. John >> emigrated from Berks County at about the same time as Peter Livengood. >> The >> implication of the journal entry is that Frantz was living with John >> Miller. >> That would imply that Frantz was young, and possibly an orphan. The >> interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would >> Peter >> lend it? >> >> >> >> I have noted in the past of property records from a decade earlier for a >> John Stump, who owned property adjacent the Rhoads family in the Glades >> area, which is some miles north of the original Miller property. >> Property >> maps of Somerset County show Francis had warranted property in 1785 very >> close to Peter Livengood in current Elk Lick Township. A neighbor of >> Peter >> was Michael Beeghley. On the other side of the Beeghley property was a >> John >> Stump. The maps also show Francis Stump and Christian Schrock owning >> property together in 1786 next to Henry Rhoads in current Summit Township >> (near Meyersdale). Christian Schrock was Amish, and his brother John >> married a daughter of John Miller. >> >> >> >> Bill Thomas >> >> >> ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message