But wouldn't the families have to known each other? Wouldn't they have to share some common element of community or blood or something? Didn't most families who married families have prior connections? It is "connection" that I'm looking for to explain the Frantz-Garst marriages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ann Rhodes" <milrho@bellsouth.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Explaining the Frantz-Garst Marriages > This may be my simple mind but; > I thought that as Brethren married Brethren or other Anabaptist, > and on the far west of PA settlements were on 150 to 400 acres in the late > 1700's to 1800's, > courting had to be difficult as most families had only one wagon and a > couple of horses. > They normally walked to the meeting houses. > Their homes were on farms, not lots with roads. > Seemed normal for families to marry families. > > Mary Ann R, > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Von Gunten" <stevevg@buckeye-express.com> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 8:58 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Explaining the Frantz-Garst Marriages > > >> In cases when multiply marriages take place with two distinct families, >> the >> normal reason has been discovered that these were planned marriages by >> the >> parents of these two families. This common in the 1700's and into the >> 1900's.as well. >> >> SP. Von Gunten >> Toledo, OH >> stevevg@buckeye-express.com > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dwayne. When the Anabaptist fled Europe, they went to Rotterdam, were they were housed by fellow Anabaptist until they could book passage on a ship. On these long voyages by sea, they surly did get to know each other. Their common bound would have been their beliefs. Mine were originally Amish and Mennonite and in this country joined the "Tunkers or Dunkers.", becoming Brethren who lived in congregations with each other. Mary Ann R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Explaining the Frantz-Garst Marriages > But wouldn't the families have to known each other? Wouldn't they have to > share some common element of community or blood or something? Didn't most > families who married families have prior connections? It is "connection" > that I'm looking for to explain the Frantz-Garst marriages. > >

Mary Ann, The families involved in the Frantz-Garst five-marriages situation did not come over at the same time on the same ships. The Garsts were not Anabaptists. They were reformed. The families did not live in the same counties. They did not belong to the same church congregations. The "connections" that you mention do not apply in this case. But thanks for trying. Dwayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ann Rhodes" <milrho@bellsouth.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Explaining the Frantz-Garst Marriages > Dwayne. > When the Anabaptist fled Europe, they went to Rotterdam, were they were > housed by fellow Anabaptist until they could book passage on a ship. On > these long voyages by sea, they surly did get to know each other. Their > common bound would have been their beliefs. Mine were originally Amish and > Mennonite and in this country joined the "Tunkers or Dunkers.", becoming > Brethren who lived in congregations with each other. > Mary Ann R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:09 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Explaining the Frantz-Garst Marriages > > >> But wouldn't the families have to known each other? Wouldn't they have >> to >> share some common element of community or blood or something? Didn't >> most >> families who married families have prior connections? It is "connection" >> that I'm looking for to explain the Frantz-Garst marriages. >> >> > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

the Rev Mr Johann Waldschmidt was a Reformed minister in churches at Cocalico, Reyers, Muddy Creek,and Zeltenreich (1752-1786). He was a Pietist. His son, Christian Waldschmidt, married Catherine Bolender, sister of the Brethren minister, Stephen Bolender, and as far as we can determine, a Brethren. This family moved north up the Susquehannah River and Penns Creek, to Penn and Brush Valleys (Center Co PA now) - as part of a Brethren community. The families they connect with were some from the Tulpehocken, and Swatara, as well as the Cocalico. These families came to Clermont Co OH about 1800. What I am saying is: that many Reformed were Pietists, and their preachers were - and had Brethren connections - this type of thing might be a consideration for why the families intermarried. I might add - my aunt was the youngest of 6 children - and the other 5 all married brothers and sisters - she refused to marry the youngest brother of the other family - and this was about 1930. As I understand - the eldest got married, and the next younger fell in love next - and then the family associations brought a sequence of connections. Merle C Rummel > The families involved in the Frantz-Garst five-marriages situation did not > come over at the same time on the same ships. The Garsts were not > Anabaptists. They were reformed. The families did not live in the same > counties. They did not belong to the same church congregations. The > "connections" that you mention do not apply in this case. But thanks for > trying. >