---------------------------------------- From: "nelhatch" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Parke County Millers Sharon, No, not at all unreasonable to think that northern and southern families in a county are related but it can also be a BIG mistake if a connection is made only because they are in the same county. I've seen that mistake made with my Hatcher surname which is far less common than is Miller - two families, one being the "Wm Hatcher" family and the other being from the Quaker Hatchers. It took DNA testing to prove out these 2 different families. But here is something else the History of Parke tells me - Abe Timberman was scouting out the land in what would become Liberty Twp as early as 1821. [I see both the Terre Haute and Crawfordville Land Offices were authorized Apr 1820.] It is believed Abe built a home for his family and planted a crop before returning to FranklinCo for his family in 1823. Now his first BLM grant is dated Dec 1823 [survey date?] and the document is dated 5-1825. It sounds to me as if these land grants are not just tossing out random land but is surveying land already chosen by the grantee. CO = Crawfordville THO = Terre Haute Abe and son-in-law Wm Miller were both in Twp 17N, R 9W, Sec 2. {All CO] The other Millers in that rough time frame are: Tobias - 2 grants dated 2-1822, Twp 14N, R 7W, Sec 13. [THO] John --- 3 grants dated 9-1823. Twp 15N, R 6W, Sec 7, 19 and 29. [THO] Jacob---1 grant dated 9-1823, Twp 15N, R 6W, Sec 7. [A son next to daddy?] [THO] Tobias & Jacob Lybrook - 1 grant dated 1-1824, Twp 16N, R 6W, Sec 21 [THO] Jacob -- 2 grants dated 3-1824 & 4-1824, Twp 15N, R 7W, Sec 26 [THO] The next Miller grant is Daniel but not until 1829. He is also in 15N, R7W, Sec 12 [CO] It is around 1829 and after that all grants are coming out of the Crawfordville Office. The remaining grants are in T15N in the John/Jacob area and the others are my Wm and his son, John in T17N. FWIW, none of these Millers make any attempt to stray into the other's "territory." Something that I found in Merle's online history and something he mentioned in the first post is - Potter John and Phoebe went in 1823, but returned about 1848 to Union Co IN. That may well be true but I believe Col. John never left UnionCo and that he's still looking like a good shot for being Wm's father. There is an assumption that Col. John was a cousin of Potter John but if that's not true, it could explain why there is no natural "blending" of related families in ParkeCo - because they weren't related or, at least, not closely. Nel Col John MIller married Nancy Capper - 1 Jan 1800 in Franklin Co VA - from family informations they had 6 children: Martin (1802); John (1805); Thomas (1807); Elizabeth (1808); Mary (1811); and Benjamin (1815). Martin, John and Benjamin lived down here near their father (Contraras IN - just west of Oxford OH). Thomas moved to Raccoon Creek, Putnam Co IN (1832) - where he was put in the ministry - then moved to Cedar Co MO (c1851) (where he was shot during the Civil War turmoil ("bloody Kansas") - and died a few years later near Scott KS. Elizabeth never married - lived with her parents. Mary married William Miller (grandson of Elder Jacob Miller, son of Tobias) - moved to South Bend IN - became a state legislator - his house is a historical renovation and where the Miller Letters were found (1833-1872). Potter John lived a half mile or so north of Col John - owning land on the IN/OH State Line. Potter John Miller married Phoebe McClure - 19 Sep 1792 in Franklin Co VA. Family informations list William as the first child - born 1793 - but no more information. Other children: Jacob (1795); Tobias (1796); Mary (1801); John (1803); Daniel (1803); James (1805); Barbara (1807); Abraham (1910). Abraham stayed here, living later south of the Keffer Cemetery, south of Cottage Grove IN - close to his uncle: Tobias Miller. Jacob was killed by a falling tree in 1823 - the same year as he took 80A land in Adams twp, Parke Co IN. Tobias went to Parke Co in 1820, is buried at the Pleasant Valley Cemetery.. Mary (Polly) married Rhuban Webster, lived 3 miles below Bridgton on Raccoon Creek in Parke Co. John S was bound out in 1821 to his brother Tobias for 1 year (till he turned 21). He married Margaret Crooks (Peggy) in 1823. Daniel was a minister and Elder here at the Four Mile Church, and was the home Potter John returned to. Daniel with his uncle Elder Daniel MIller, of Raccoon Creek, led a migration to Monroe Co IA in 1854. I have little on James, except wife Almirea and names and births of 7 children - they went to Parke Co and died in Chariton Co MO.. Barbara maried Samuel Davis in 1825 and that year moved to Parke Co. He served on the Indiana Constitutional Convention and was a member of the Legislature. Daniel Miller, brother of Potter John, moved to the Raccoon Creek in 1830 - I have no exact information whether he lived in Parke or Putnam Cos. The Harshbarger letter (c1848) says: "Bro Daniel Miller is in Arkansas, he is considering moving there, he says the land is very good." Instead he returned to the Raccoon Creek Church and in 1854 (with nephew, Elder Daniel Miller, of the Four Mile) led a migration to Monroe Co IA. (the next year - 1855, Elder Philip Moss - Lybrook grandson - led a a migration to Butler Co IA - most of these families had already moved to "Wabash Country" - Carroll Co, Miami Co, Howard Co, Cass Co IN) You raise two names that I do not identify - Philip Lybrook married Anna Miller (older sister of Potter John) (my wife's line) - and were early settlers here on the Four Mile ("Upper" church - here just south of Boston IN -where I live, and the only existing Four Mile Congregation). His sons John and Jacob came here with him in 1805 - and stayed, while Philip returned to Franklin Co VA and brought the rest of the family out the next year. John married Fanny Toney in 1809 and lived next north of his father; Jacob married Elizabeth Crawford that same year and lived next north of John - buildings where IN227 crosses the state line. I have a full listing of the Lybrook family, by a granddaughter - and have no Tobias. There was a second Lybrook family to come here - Henry Lybrook (1/w - Sarah Burk - died 1795 in Franklin Co VA - I have no listing of children for this family) - 2/w -m. 1796, Hannah Hankey - 8 children: only son John b: 1799 - families moved to Cass Co MI -.1825. Local traditions show no direct connections between the two families, possibly 2nd cousins. One researcher says Philip and Henry were brothers - but possibly there was another Lybrook family here (Ohio side) - that I have no information on - there was another Lybrook family, unidentified, living farther south in early Indiana.. We had other families move to Raccoon Creek: John Fosher - 1822; Henry Moss and Francis Moss - 1826 and later. There are missing young families who might have also gone this direction. I do not know the actual route they used to get there. The Wetzel Trace went from south of the Lower Four Mile (near Laural IN) to near south side of now Indianapolis - White Water River there, but I do not know any way they would have gone on west. There were plenty of Indian Paths. The Fort Greenville (OH) - Fort Vincennes (IN) Road went across the state somewhere - but I really suspect it went much farther south. The original Raccoon Creek Church formed the basis of the 4 congregation Ladoga Churches. Merle C Rummel