Sharon, No, not at all unreasonable to think that northern and southern families in a county are related but it can also be a BIG mistake if a connection is made only because they are in the same county. I've seen that mistake made with my Hatcher surname which is far less common than is Miller - two families, one being the "Wm Hatcher" family and the other being from the Quaker Hatchers. It took DNA testing to prove out these 2 different families. But here is something else the History of Parke tells me - Abe Timberman was scouting out the land in what would become Liberty Twp as early as 1821. [I see both the Terre Haute and Crawfordville Land Offices were authorized Apr 1820.] It is believed Abe built a home for his family and planted a crop before returning to FranklinCo for his family in 1823. Now his first BLM grant is dated Dec 1823 [survey date?] and the document is dated 5-1825. It sounds to me as if these land grants are not just tossing out random land but is surveying land already chosen by the grantee. CO = Crawfordville THO = Terre Haute Abe and son-in-law Wm Miller were both in Twp 17N, R 9W, Sec 2. {All CO] The other Millers in that rough time frame are: Tobias - 2 grants dated 2-1822, Twp 14N, R 7W, Sec 13. [THO] John --- 3 grants dated 9-1823. Twp 15N, R 6W, Sec 7, 19 and 29. [THO] Jacob---1 grant dated 9-1823, Twp 15N, R 6W, Sec 7. [A son next to daddy?] [THO] Tobias & Jacob Lybrook - 1 grant dated 1-1824, Twp 16N, R 6W, Sec 21 [THO] Jacob -- 2 grants dated 3-1824 & 4-1824, Twp 15N, R 7W, Sec 26 [THO] The next Miller grant is Daniel but not until 1829. He is also in 15N, R7W, Sec 12 [CO] It is around 1829 and after that all grants are coming out of the Crawfordville Office. The remaining grants are in T15N in the John/Jacob area and the others are my Wm and his son, John in T17N. FWIW, none of these Millers make any attempt to stray into the other's "territory." Something that I found in Merle's online history and something he mentioned in the first post is - Potter John and Phoebe went in 1823, but returned about 1848 to Union Co IN. That may well be true but I believe Col. John never left UnionCo and that he's still looking like a good shot for being Wm's father. There is an assumption that Col. John was a cousin of Potter John but if that's not true, it could explain why there is no natural "blending" of related families in ParkeCo - because they weren't related or, at least, not closely. Nel HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm ... Digging up the Dead ... .. Irritating the Living .. ... It's what I do best! ... On 5/28/2011 4:59 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > I suppose it's not unreasonable to find that a Miller in Liberty Twp is related to a Miller in Raccoon. The only difficulty I see is that the Ten O'Clock line, one of the Indian boundaries, crosses the county at an angle from northwest to southeast. Folks in the south part of the county bought land that was available before the land in the northern part. I think you can see the division on the Genweb site. Two land offices, at least, were involved in land purchases in Parke County; these were Vincennes and Crawfordsville. If parties arrived at the same time, you would think they would try to locate together and would go to the same land office. > > > > On the other hand, when some of my Brethren ancestors went to Delaware County, a few from Miami Co OH ended up in Howard County for a while. Perhaps it was a case of buying what was readily available . > > > > Sharon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nelhatch"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:34:46 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Parke County Millers > > If you use this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parke_County,_Indiana > and scroll down to Townships, you can click on the townships to see them > on a county map. > > My William, using his BLM land grants, lived in Liberty Twp but the > northern half of his property was in FountainCo. He is in ParkeCo in > 1830 but FountainCo thru 1860. I don't know if he died in FountainCo or > went to IA with his sons. > > On the map you'll see that Liberty and Raccon Twnshps are about as far > as you can get from each other. > > Nel > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > > ... Digging up the Dead ... > .. Irritating the Living .. > ... It's what I do best! ... > > On 5/28/2011 10:15 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> There is an on-going project to abstract the Parke County probate boxes, so that researchers can know where to find information about individuals. At the same time all the information in each file is being photographed. It's a multi-year project, and the results, including the images, will likely end up on the Parke County genweb page. >> >> >> >> Information being abstracted includes name of decedent, heirs and widow where named, administrator of estate, appraisers of estate, date of the file, and notes of interest. Other court cases are occasionally found in these boxes. >> >> >> >> I volunteer only once a month, so I only get a sketchy view of files; however, I have noted the Miller surname mentioned in the receipts of a Raccoon Twp. estate from the 1830's-40's era. >> >> >> >> Sharon Mills >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "nelhatch"<[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:23:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [BRE] William Miller >> >> Merle and all, >> >> My file is on WorldConnect. This will take you to Abraham Timberman. >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=nelmiller&id=I98 >> >> His dau, Martha, will take you to William Miller. >> >> Nel >> >> HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com >> HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm >> >> ... Digging up the Dead ... >> .. Irritating the Living .. >> ... It's what I do best! ... >> >> On 5/28/2011 6:08 AM, Merle Rummel wrote: >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> would you give me information on your William Miller - John Miller - and >>> related family? >>> >>> dates and spouse's name would help me match up information - to families i >>> have information on - >>> >>> I have traced the Four Mile Families - including all the children of Elder >>> Jacob Miller - which is my wife's ancestry - I started on that 30-40 years >>> ago - I would have to hunt to find some of my sources. The Four Mile >>> Churches were on the Indiana side of the State Line - but families did move >>> on - I know I do not have information on all the Millers in this area of >>> Indiana - >>> >>> Also, we know that birthdate reports did change. My ancestor down in >>> Clermont Co OH reported himself as 97 years old ("an active farmer") in the >>> 1870 Census - research finds he was actually 10 years older (Revolutionary >>> War records - and the birth of his first child) >>> >>> I have Miller Families in the Kentucky study - there was migration from >>> some of the Kentucky church areas and the Ohio River area up to Vermillion >>> and Putnam Cos IN (some going on to Illinois and west). I do not >>> specifically remember any families going to Parke Co, but I do not have >>> complete information on every individual in these families - so related >>> information may help identify people. >>> >>> Merle >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3663 - Release Date: 05/27/11 06:34:00 >>> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3665 - Release Date: 05/28/11 06:34:00 >> > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3665 - Release Date: 05/28/11 06:34:00 >