Thank you for your reply Wayne. I believe I know where your information came from. Recently I have been looking at an article I copied back in the 1990s. The Mennonite Research Journal Vol. 14, # 3 from July 1973 has an interesting article on pages 27 thru 29, titled "Hans Groffs Aplenty." Based on what Dwayne has said it looks like part of the article may be true, but other parts mix up the relationships between people, etc. The main subject is Hans Graf who died in 1746. The record originally came from Levi W. Groff, a grgr grandson, written on July 4th 1876. It says Levi had a German Bible printed in 1580 "and other books and Relics brought to this country by Hans Graf, and which are yet in my possession." While the Bible may have had some dates in it, my opinion is that the other books and papers led to incorrect assumptions. Here is an example, later I will point out some of the known problems. Page 28 shows Hans Groff (1661-1746): 1696 immigrant, married Anna Bare. One child is shown, Jacob Groff, b Apr 2, 1699, d 1766, married Barbara Brackbill, Strasburg, PA and Maria Herr. A daughter Frances is listed, Willow Street, PA, b Mar 20, 1732, d Feb 5, 1826, m Wid. Christian Herr, Willow Street, PA, d May 18, 1772. According to Dwayne's research Jacob Graff was born on 2 Apr 1699, but died on 6 May 1776, not in 1766. The Fronica Graff we're discussing was married to Peter Eichenberg, not Christian Herr, and she died about 1805 in Franklin Co., VA, not in 1826. These are different sets of people. Martic Twp. is at the opposite side of Lancaster Co. from where Hans Graf lived. The article goes on to list Hans Groff's second marriage to Susanna Kendig (or Orendorf). The first name fits with what Dwayne has found, and the names of the children from this marriage match, even in the same order (with only two birth years listed). Levi W. Groff's link back to Hans Graf is given. On the front page of the periodical (also first page of the article) is a drawing of the land plat. It shows how the land was later divided over the years. I was able to locate the area using Map Quest, by locating the Groffdale Mennonite Church (where Hans Graf is buried), and a five point intersection to the north of it. The area is south east of Ephrata. The article mentions Hans' 1419 acres of land. Another piece of conflicting information is what I found in the January 1994 issue of Mennonite Family History, on page 9. It is an article by Richard Warren Davis, attempting to reconstruct ship lists for Mennonites arriving before September 1727. It conflicts with the Mennonite Research Journal article which says that Hans Graf arrived in 1696. Richard Warren Davis shows: 1704: Hans Graff b ca1675, came with his second wife and left his son, Jacob, in Germany. He first went to Germantown, PA, and lived there from 1704 to 1715. He moved to Lancaster Co., PA, in 1715. He died in 1746, Earl Twp., PA (Land Warrant in 1710 - signed warrant for land in Lancaster, PA, but did not take it up). Wife, Susanna, b ca1678; d after 1746, Lancaster, PA. I hope this clears up the question of the date of birth for Fronica Graff. There is an explanation for those who wondered about the abrupt ending of my previous post. As I was writing the phone rang and distracted me. Not wanting to lose what I had written I thought I was hitting the "send later" button, but accidentally hit the "send now" button. Sorry, I was almost finished anyway. Debby Bliss