Debbie, In terms of published records and histories, "Fröniga Graff" was baptized on 15 April 1750 (Martin Grove Brumbaugh, 1899, p. 311); "Freny Groff" was baptized in 1750 (Christian Bomberger's List from the Brethren Archives, Elgin Illinois). It's the same person, just a different spelling of her name. She is, as you say, generally known as Fronica. A young person could have been baptized when he or she was sufficiently mature and ready to be baptized. No one knows when she was born, but I would guess that she was probably about 18 or 20 or so when she was baptized. If it is true that Maria Kauffman was born as you say, then obviously Maria was not Fronica's mother. No one knows the first wife of Jacob Graff. In fact we cannot "prove" that Jacob Graff was Fronica's father. I have hypothesized that he was her father because he belonged to the Ephrata Society and she apparently was an "Ephrataite" judging from the narrative on page 311 of Brumbaugh. More importantly, she was married to Peter Eichenberg when Peter Eichenberg was named as an executor of Jacob Graff's will. It was not uncommon to name a son-in-law as an executor, especially one like Eichenberg who was an elder in the church when Jacob Graff died. Now, as for WorldConnect databases, they are only as good as the persons compiling them and the amount and degree of documentation provided to back them up. In my opinion, the vast majority of databases on WorldConnect are full of errors, false information, and devoid of documentation. Beware of them if you go this route. The Graff databases are especially dubious. As far as Maria Kauffman is concerned, no one knows when she was born, but if I were to make a guess, it would be that she was not Fronica's mother. As for Jacob Graff Jr., I would guess that he was about the same age as Fronica and that Maria was not his mother either. All of this is pure guess work on my part. Sorry that I cannot be more helpful. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 9:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Fronica Graff, d/o Jacob Graff Sr. Fronica Graff (or Froniga, with an umlaut, in the record) was baptized on 15 Apr 1750 in the Conestoga church. She married Peter Eichenberg about 1758. My question is: how old would a young woman need to be at that point in time, to be baptized prior to marriage? My dilemma is which of Jacob's marriages to place Fronica in. There are several World Connect databases that say Jacob's second wife Maria Kauffman was born about 1727 or 1728. If these dates are true, or even close, that does not leave enough time for Maria to have Fronica who was baptized in 1750. Dwight says that Jacob Graff was married to Maria before June 1743, when they sold land and both signed. At first I thought Fronica was a daughter of Maria, but by examining this I believe she must belong in his first marriage, to an unknown woman. Dwight, what are your thoughts on this, and which marriage do you think your Jacob Grove belongs in? Debby ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message