If you search the web for John Groff who married Elizabeth Hollinger (both baptized at Conestoga in 1793) you quickly discover that there are two theories of who his father was. Most say it was Samuel Groff, but other than a questionable connection from Groff Book II, there seems little or no basis for this theory. A few (including Mennonite researcher Richard Warren Davis) say it was Franz Groff (1734-1819) of Rapho Township in Lancaster County. Franz Graff had a daughter Barbara (baptized at Conestoga in 1795) who married Daniel Hollinger (baptized at Conestoga in 1790). This Daniel Hollinger was a brother of Elizabeth [Hollinger] Groff who married John Groff. Several of the children of John and Elizabeth were buried in the Bermudian Brethren Cemetery in Washington Township in York County. I tend to lean to the idea that the Groffs and Hollingers were double brothers- and sisters-in-law, based on the Conestoga baptisms, but I have no way to otherwise back this up. Dwayne Wrightsman

I have her name as Barbara Groff. Am I incorrect or was it Elizabeth Barbara Groff (or Barbara Elizabeth Groff)? Daniel Holllinger and Elizabeth/Barbara Groff are my 4G Grandparents. I have another puzzle with Daniel that has intrigued me. He is buried in the Ulrich Zug family cemetery. Why? The only connection I have found to the Zug family was that Barbara's younger sister, Eva Groff, married John Kinsey, whose mother was Barbara Zug. That seems to be an awfully weak as a reason for the burial. I have visited the cemetery, and Daniel is the only non-Zug there. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:09 AM Subject: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of the Bermudian Brethren? > If you search the web for John Groff who married Elizabeth Hollinger (both > baptized at Conestoga in 1793) you quickly discover that there are two > theories of who his father was. Most say it was Samuel Groff, but other > than a questionable connection from Groff Book II, there seems little or > no > basis for this theory. A few (including Mennonite researcher Richard > Warren > Davis) say it was Franz Groff (1734-1819) of Rapho Township in Lancaster > County. Franz Graff had a daughter Barbara (baptized at Conestoga in > 1795) > who married Daniel Hollinger (baptized at Conestoga in 1790). This Daniel > Hollinger was a brother of Elizabeth [Hollinger] Groff who married John > Groff. Several of the children of John and Elizabeth were buried in the > Bermudian Brethren Cemetery in Washington Township in York County. > > > > I tend to lean to the idea that the Groffs and Hollingers were double > brothers- and sisters-in-law, based on the Conestoga baptisms, but I have > no > way to otherwise back this up. > > > > Dwayne Wrightsman > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have three photos of the stone that Bob discusses below in the Zug Cemetery. Send me an email if you would like a copy of the photos. Perhaps someone who reads 18th century German can decipher the stone. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Harter" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:55:36 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of the Bermudian Brethren? I have her name as Barbara Groff. Am I incorrect or was it Elizabeth Barbara Groff (or Barbara Elizabeth Groff)? Daniel Holllinger and Elizabeth/Barbara Groff are my 4G Grandparents. I have another puzzle with Daniel that has intrigued me. He is buried in the Ulrich Zug family cemetery. Why? The only connection I have found to the Zug family was that Barbara's younger sister, Eva Groff, married John Kinsey, whose mother was Barbara Zug. That seems to be an awfully weak as a reason for the burial. I have visited the cemetery, and Daniel is the only non-Zug there. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:09 AM Subject: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of the Bermudian Brethren? > If you search the web for John Groff who married Elizabeth Hollinger (both > baptized at Conestoga in 1793) you quickly discover that there are two > theories of who his father was. Most say it was Samuel Groff, but other > than a questionable connection from Groff Book II, there seems little or > no > basis for this theory. A few (including Mennonite researcher Richard > Warren > Davis) say it was Franz Groff (1734-1819) of Rapho Township in Lancaster > County. Franz Graff had a daughter Barbara (baptized at Conestoga in > 1795) > who married Daniel Hollinger (baptized at Conestoga in 1790). This Daniel > Hollinger was a brother of Elizabeth [Hollinger] Groff who married John > Groff. Several of the children of John and Elizabeth were buried in the > Bermudian Brethren Cemetery in Washington Township in York County. > > > > I tend to lean to the idea that the Groffs and Hollingers were double > brothers- and sisters-in-law, based on the Conestoga baptisms, but I have > no > way to otherwise back this up. > > > > Dwayne Wrightsman > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message