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    1. Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of the Bermudian Brethren?
    2. Dwayne Wrightsman

    3. Bob, As I understand it, Daniel Hollinger married Barbara Groff. His sister Elizabeth Hollinger married John Groff. Barbara Groff was a daughter of Franz Groff. John Groff was a sister of Barbara if his father was Franz Groff, but he was not a sister if his father was Samuel Groff. Everyone seems to say John's father was Samuel, but I believe with Richard Warren Davis that his father was Franz Groff, making John and Barbara brother and sister. WHAT DO YOU THINK? The Zug issue is a little more palatable if you consider that Daniel Hollinger's brother-in-law, Abraham Groff, married (1) Maria Royer, and (2) Barbara Zug. Sounds like a lot of Barbara Zugs. Dwayne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Harter Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of the Bermudian Brethren? I have her name as Barbara Groff. Am I incorrect or was it Elizabeth Barbara Groff (or Barbara Elizabeth Groff)? Daniel Holllinger and Elizabeth/Barbara Groff are my 4G Grandparents. I have another puzzle with Daniel that has intrigued me. He is buried in the Ulrich Zug family cemetery. Why? The only connection I have found to the Zug family was that Barbara's younger sister, Eva Groff, married John Kinsey, whose mother was Barbara Zug. That seems to be an awfully weak as a reason for the burial. I have visited the cemetery, and Daniel is the only non-Zug there. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:09 AM Subject: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of the Bermudian Brethren? > If you search the web for John Groff who married Elizabeth Hollinger (both > baptized at Conestoga in 1793) you quickly discover that there are two > theories of who his father was. Most say it was Samuel Groff, but other > than a questionable connection from Groff Book II, there seems little or > no > basis for this theory. A few (including Mennonite researcher Richard > Warren > Davis) say it was Franz Groff (1734-1819) of Rapho Township in Lancaster > County. Franz Graff had a daughter Barbara (baptized at Conestoga in > 1795) > who married Daniel Hollinger (baptized at Conestoga in 1790). This Daniel > Hollinger was a brother of Elizabeth [Hollinger] Groff who married John > Groff. Several of the children of John and Elizabeth were buried in the > Bermudian Brethren Cemetery in Washington Township in York County. > > > > I tend to lean to the idea that the Groffs and Hollingers were double > brothers- and sisters-in-law, based on the Conestoga baptisms, but I have > no > way to otherwise back this up. > > > > Dwayne Wrightsman > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/23/2011 10:24:11
    1. Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of theBermudian Brethren?
    2. Janet Hall

    3. Not sure if this is useful but may be worth considering since the family names, of Royer, Zug, Groff and Hollinger (? Hallacher) are intertwined. Joseph Royer married Maria Martin, daughter of Martin Jr. and Anna (Wenger) Martin (Mennonites) about 1805 in Lancaster Co. She was b. 1787, d. in 1820 & is buried in the Tulpehochen Cemetery. The stone is written in German and Spelling is Reyer. Martin Martin is the son of Barbara Groff Martin & Martin Martin Joseph Royer purchased a tannery from his brother -in-law, Abraham Zug, in Rapho Twp. Abraham m. Daniel Royer's daughter, & Joseph's sister, Susanna Royer. Joseph remarried & moved to Ohio after Maria's death. He is buried in Stark Co. On another note, Benjamin Royer b. 1767, d. 1841 (buried in Lehn's Cemetery), m. Annie Hallacher. I am not sure, but found "Royer" farm on Royer Rd in Lancaster Co. and believe that Charles Hallacher lived there in the mid 1800s. Seems likely that he may have married into the Royer family since they owned land nearby. Would like more info on this farm but have not researched it. Info came from a brochure found on farms of that period while visiting the local historical society there . Much of the early Royer family history was recorded by descendant Michael Zug, b. 1832. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <[email protected]> To: "'Bob Harter'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of theBermudian Brethren? > Bob, > > As I understand it, Daniel Hollinger married Barbara Groff. His sister > Elizabeth Hollinger married John Groff. Barbara Groff was a daughter of > Franz Groff. John Groff was a sister of Barbara if his father was Franz > Groff, but he was not a sister if his father was Samuel Groff. Everyone > seems to say John's father was Samuel, but I believe with Richard Warren > Davis that his father was Franz Groff, making John and Barbara brother and > sister. WHAT DO YOU THINK? > > The Zug issue is a little more palatable if you consider that Daniel > Hollinger's brother-in-law, Abraham Groff, married (1) Maria Royer, and > (2) > Barbara Zug. Sounds like a lot of Barbara Zugs. > > Dwayne > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Bob Harter > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of the Bermudian > Brethren? > > I have her name as Barbara Groff. Am I incorrect or was it Elizabeth > Barbara > > Groff (or Barbara Elizabeth Groff)? > Daniel Holllinger and Elizabeth/Barbara Groff are my 4G Grandparents. > I have another puzzle with Daniel that has intrigued me. He is buried in > the > > Ulrich Zug family cemetery. Why? The only connection I have found to the > Zug > > family was that Barbara's younger sister, Eva Groff, married John Kinsey, > whose mother was Barbara Zug. That seems to be an awfully weak as a reason > for the burial. I have visited the cemetery, and Daniel is the only > non-Zug > there. > > Bob Harter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:09 AM > Subject: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of the Bermudian Brethren? > > >> If you search the web for John Groff who married Elizabeth Hollinger >> (both >> baptized at Conestoga in 1793) you quickly discover that there are two >> theories of who his father was. Most say it was Samuel Groff, but other >> than a questionable connection from Groff Book II, there seems little or >> no >> basis for this theory. A few (including Mennonite researcher Richard >> Warren >> Davis) say it was Franz Groff (1734-1819) of Rapho Township in Lancaster >> County. Franz Graff had a daughter Barbara (baptized at Conestoga in >> 1795) >> who married Daniel Hollinger (baptized at Conestoga in 1790). This >> Daniel >> Hollinger was a brother of Elizabeth [Hollinger] Groff who married John >> Groff. Several of the children of John and Elizabeth were buried in the >> Bermudian Brethren Cemetery in Washington Township in York County. >> >> >> >> I tend to lean to the idea that the Groffs and Hollingers were double >> brothers- and sisters-in-law, based on the Conestoga baptisms, but I have >> no >> way to otherwise back this up. >> >> >> >> Dwayne Wrightsman >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/30/2011 06:35:56
    1. Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of theBermudian Brethren?

    3. And the current owner of Ulric Zug's farm is named Rohrer which is probably a derivative of Royer (or vice-versa). Ray Hoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Hall" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2011 1:35:56 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of theBermudian Brethren? Not sure if this is useful but may be worth considering since the family names, of Royer, Zug, Groff and Hollinger (? Hallacher) are intertwined. Joseph Royer married Maria Martin, daughter of Martin Jr. and Anna (Wenger) Martin (Mennonites) about 1805 in Lancaster Co. She was b. 1787, d. in 1820 & is buried in the Tulpehochen Cemetery. The stone is written in German and Spelling is Reyer. Martin Martin is the son of Barbara Groff Martin & Martin Martin Joseph Royer purchased a tannery from his brother -in-law, Abraham Zug, in Rapho Twp. Abraham m. Daniel Royer's daughter, & Joseph's sister, Susanna Royer. Joseph remarried & moved to Ohio after Maria's death. He is buried in Stark Co. On another note, Benjamin Royer b. 1767, d. 1841 (buried in Lehn's Cemetery), m. Annie Hallacher. I am not sure, but found "Royer" farm on Royer Rd in Lancaster Co. and believe that Charles Hallacher lived there in the mid 1800s. Seems likely that he may have married into the Royer family since they owned land nearby. Would like more info on this farm but have not researched it. Info came from a brochure found on farms of that period while visiting the local historical society there . Much of the early Royer family history was recorded by descendant Michael Zug, b. 1832. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <[email protected]> To: "'Bob Harter'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of theBermudian Brethren? > Bob, > > As I understand it, Daniel Hollinger married Barbara Groff. His sister > Elizabeth Hollinger married John Groff. Barbara Groff was a daughter of > Franz Groff. John Groff was a sister of Barbara if his father was Franz > Groff, but he was not a sister if his father was Samuel Groff. Everyone > seems to say John's father was Samuel, but I believe with Richard Warren > Davis that his father was Franz Groff, making John and Barbara brother and > sister. WHAT DO YOU THINK? > > The Zug issue is a little more palatable if you consider that Daniel > Hollinger's brother-in-law, Abraham Groff, married (1) Maria Royer, and > (2) > Barbara Zug. Sounds like a lot of Barbara Zugs. > > Dwayne > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Bob Harter > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of the Bermudian > Brethren? > > I have her name as Barbara Groff. Am I incorrect or was it Elizabeth > Barbara > > Groff (or Barbara Elizabeth Groff)? > Daniel Holllinger and Elizabeth/Barbara Groff are my 4G Grandparents. > I have another puzzle with Daniel that has intrigued me. He is buried in > the > > Ulrich Zug family cemetery. Why? The only connection I have found to the > Zug > > family was that Barbara's younger sister, Eva Groff, married John Kinsey, > whose mother was Barbara Zug. That seems to be an awfully weak as a reason > for the burial. I have visited the cemetery, and Daniel is the only > non-Zug > there. > > Bob Harter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:09 AM > Subject: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of the Bermudian Brethren? > > >> If you search the web for John Groff who married Elizabeth Hollinger >> (both >> baptized at Conestoga in 1793) you quickly discover that there are two >> theories of who his father was. Most say it was Samuel Groff, but other >> than a questionable connection from Groff Book II, there seems little or >> no >> basis for this theory. A few (including Mennonite researcher Richard >> Warren >> Davis) say it was Franz Groff (1734-1819) of Rapho Township in Lancaster >> County. Franz Graff had a daughter Barbara (baptized at Conestoga in >> 1795) >> who married Daniel Hollinger (baptized at Conestoga in 1790). This >> Daniel >> Hollinger was a brother of Elizabeth [Hollinger] Groff who married John >> Groff. Several of the children of John and Elizabeth were buried in the >> Bermudian Brethren Cemetery in Washington Township in York County. >> >> >> >> I tend to lean to the idea that the Groffs and Hollingers were double >> brothers- and sisters-in-law, based on the Conestoga baptisms, but I have >> no >> way to otherwise back this up. >> >> >> >> Dwayne Wrightsman >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/01/2011 02:41:48
    1. Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of theBermudian Brethren? Also Wolf, Ostermann, Leymeister
    2. Ruth Hoese

    3. I have finally returned and looked up the information I promised. The first quote is from the Adam Wise Family book edited and published by Kathryn Swim Cummings and Rachel Jones Hayward , Salt Lake City, UT, 1998. The quote is a quote of a passage from the book Rhineland Emigrants -List of German Settlers in Colonial America, edited by Don Yoder and published by Genealogical Publishing Co., no date given. The next is church records from Grosswinterheim which I published in my Words to the Wise newsletter March 1995. Long, but it may help some of you. "Franz Graff, (Grove) with his wife and two children, Bartel Kramer with wife and five children, Adam Weiss with his wife, all of Grosswinternheim and Wilhelm Leymeister with wife and children from Schwabenheim, were permitted to emingrate on payment of the tithe (tenth penny) on March 9, 1748l On the same date the propertyless residents (Beissassen) Wolfgang Wolf and Hostermann (?) of Grosswinterheim, were manumitted gratis. They landed at Philadelphia - Franz Grove, Johann Wilhelm Leymeister, Wolfgang Wulff, Hans Jacob Ostermann, and Johan Adam Weiss - on the ship Hampshire, September 7, 1748 (Strassburger=Hinke List 118 A-C. List A gives Graff's age as 54, Wolf's as 36 and Ostermann's as 28" >From the Church records: (Note the first mention of Graff is 1747 with this 1747 6 Aug Marriage of Johann Adam Weiss & Maria Elizabetha Graff d/o of Franz Graff CHURCH NOTES FROM GROSS WINTERHEIM, RHEINISCH HESSEN, GERMANY Translated from LDS film #1475710 by DOROTHY AGRONICK, published in March 1995 Words to the Wise newsletter by Ruth J. Hoese, Editor. Dorothy sent me both the translated copy and a copy of the microfilm. How she did this without going blind I do not know! Dorothy what a magnificent work. Thanks for sharing it with us. 1663 28 Feb Apollonia d/o Johann Eckhart & Anna Margareta Weiss Sponsors: Johann Eckhard Linburg? & Apollonia 1665 8 Jan Elizabetha d/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Margareta Weiss Sponsors: Elizabetha & Diet. Gerhard 1668 1 Jan Ana Christina d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Margareta Schmitts 1669 1 Jan Ana Christina d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Ana & Johann Gersters (?) 1671 22 Jan Johannes s/o Johann Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Johann Heid (s/o Andreas?) 1674 8 May Anna Barbara d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Ana Barbara & John Sommers 1677 20 May Johann Peter s/o Joh. Eckhart and Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Johann Peter Schaub Note: in 1678 Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss stood sponsors for Johann Eckhart Gerhard s/o Joh. Gerhard and Maria. 1678 28 Apr Joh. Jacob s/o Joh. Eckhart and Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Joh. Jacob Zilluff 1681 11 Jan Ana Barbara d/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: barbara Linburger? 1682 24 Sep Abraham s/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Abraham Hack? & Elizabeth Maria 1686 19 Jan Johann Frederich s/o Joh.Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Johann Pfeil? 1702 12 Jan Marriage of Abraham Weiss & Christina Margaretha Derst d/o Herman Derst 1703 21 Oct Johann Adreas s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: ?Englehard & Andreas Muller 1705 14 Jun Maria Birgitta d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsor: Maria Birgitta ? 1708 19 Apr Johann Jacob s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Johann Jacob Faulhaber & Maria Catharina 1711 14 May Johanna Maria d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Ana Maria & Andreas Schmitt 1713 13 Aug Anna Catharina d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Anna Catharina & Johann Jacob Schmid 1717 27 Nov Johann George s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsor: Johann George Engelmann 1718 Confirmation of Maria Birgitta Weiss @ 14 1719 Confirmation of Adreas Weiss @ 14 1719 24 Oct Death of Anna Christina Margaretha Weiss @ 43 1/2 1720 1 Jan Death of Eckhard Weiss @ 85 1720 9 Jan Marriage of Abraham Weiss & Maria Juliana Gerhard 1720 13 Jan Death of Anna Maria Weiss w/o Eckhard @ 65 1721 19 Jan Johannes s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Jeremias Ingelhem 1722 13 Jan Maria Salome d/o Abraham & Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Maria Salome Winterheimer 1724 20 Feb Johann Adam s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Johann Adam Muller 1727 probable birth to Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Note: in 1727 Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss stood sponsors for Juliana Muller d/o Johann Adam Muller & Anna Maria 1729 24 Oct Death of Anna Margareta d/o Abraham Weiss @1yr 10 mos. 1731 8 Feb Susanne d/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Paul Zilluff & Susanne 1733 Death of Abraham Weise- no age given 1733 24 Dec Johann Frederick s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Johann Frederich Alsentz? & wife 1736 24 May Anna Christina d/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Joh. Valentine ?Airfind? & Anna Christina 1738 1 Sep Johann Balthasar s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Johann Balthasar Gereth Note: In 1738 Abraham and Maria Juliana Weiss stood sponsors for Maria Juliana d/o Johann Balthasar and Anna Maria Gereth. 1739 18 Oct Anna Catharina d/o Abraham & Maria Julian Weiss Sponsor: Anna Catharina Weiss 1743 19 Jan Death of Anna Catharina d/o Abraham Weiss @3 1747 6 Aug Marriage of Johann Adam Weiss & Maria Elizabetha Graff d/o of Franz Graff 1748 7 May Andreas s/o Johann Adam Weiss ex uxor. Sponsor: Andreas Weiler et exor. 1750 16 Aug Death of Maria Salome Weiss @28 yrs 7 mos. 1753 30 Dec Death of Wilhem Weiss @8? yrs 1754 19 Mar Death of Johann Wilhelm Weiss @ 2 1754 6 Sep Death of Abraham Weiss @ 72 1758 1 Oct Death of Abraham Weiss's widow @ 63

    05/05/2011 08:08:40
    1. Re: [BRE] Graff Family Brethren
    2. Dwayne Wrightsman

    3. Thank you, Ruth, for your account of Franz Graff (Grove) of Grosswinternheim who immigrated in 1748. Are you familiar with the religion of this family after they immigrated? The Franz Graff family that I am studying is the one from Rafz, Canton of Zurich, Switzerland. Franz Graff (1734-1819) immigrated at age 10 with his mother Verena [Neukomm] and his siblings in 1744 and settled thereafter in Rapho Township, Lancaster County. Some of his children became members of the Conestoga Brethren Congregation. Franz's second wife was Eva Hamacher, Brethren, whose father, Adam Hamacher, was a minister at Great Swatara Creek in 1770. This Franz Graff family is one of five Graff families that I have found who came over as Mennonites, but who had family members who joined the Brethren after settling in Pennsylvania. The other four Graff families were descended from Mennonite Graff families of Bäretswil, Canton of Zurich, Switzerland. Three of these Graff families joined Beissel's Ephrata Community with some of the children subsequently joining the Conestoga Brethren. The fourth Graff family (Groh, Grove) had Brethren connections at Little Swatara Creek. I am writing a short article for this October's issue of Mennonite Family History on Graff emigrants whose immediate family members became Brethren and, so far, have only found five such families. There are no doubt others that I don't know about at this juncture. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruth Hoese Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of theBermudian Brethren? Also Wolf, Ostermann, Leymeister I have finally returned and looked up the information I promised. The first quote is from the Adam Wise Family book edited and published by Kathryn Swim Cummings and Rachel Jones Hayward , Salt Lake City, UT, 1998. The quote is a quote of a passage from the book Rhineland Emigrants -List of German Settlers in Colonial America, edited by Don Yoder and published by Genealogical Publishing Co., no date given. The next is church records from Grosswinterheim which I published in my Words to the Wise newsletter March 1995. Long, but it may help some of you. "Franz Graff, (Grove) with his wife and two children, Bartel Kramer with wife and five children, Adam Weiss with his wife, all of Grosswinternheim and Wilhelm Leymeister with wife and children from Schwabenheim, were permitted to emigrate on payment of the tithe (tenth penny) on March 9, 1748l On the same date the propertyless residents (Beissassen) Wolfgang Wolf and Hostermann (?) of Grosswinterheim, were manumitted gratis. They landed at Philadelphia - Franz Grove, Johann Wilhelm Leymeister, Wolfgang Wulff, Hans Jacob Ostermann, and Johan Adam Weiss - on the ship Hampshire, September 7, 1748 (Strassburger=Hinke List 118 A-C. List A gives Graff's age as 54, Wolf's as 36 and Ostermann's as 28" >From the Church records: (Note the first mention of Graff is 1747 with this 1747 6 Aug Marriage of Johann Adam Weiss & Maria Elizabetha Graff d/o of Franz Graff CHURCH NOTES FROM GROSS WINTERHEIM, RHEINISCH HESSEN, GERMANY Translated from LDS film #1475710 by DOROTHY AGRONICK, published in March 1995 Words to the Wise newsletter by Ruth J. Hoese, Editor. Dorothy sent me both the translated copy and a copy of the microfilm. How she did this without going blind I do not know! Dorothy what a magnificent work. Thanks for sharing it with us. 1663 28 Feb Apollonia d/o Johann Eckhart & Anna Margareta Weiss Sponsors: Johann Eckhard Linburg? & Apollonia 1665 8 Jan Elizabetha d/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Margareta Weiss Sponsors: Elizabetha & Diet. Gerhard 1668 1 Jan Ana Christina d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Margareta Schmitts 1669 1 Jan Ana Christina d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Ana & Johann Gersters (?) 1671 22 Jan Johannes s/o Johann Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Johann Heid (s/o Andreas?) 1674 8 May Anna Barbara d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Ana Barbara & John Sommers 1677 20 May Johann Peter s/o Joh. Eckhart and Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Johann Peter Schaub Note: in 1678 Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss stood sponsors for Johann Eckhart Gerhard s/o Joh. Gerhard and Maria. 1678 28 Apr Joh. Jacob s/o Joh. Eckhart and Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Joh. Jacob Zilluff 1681 11 Jan Ana Barbara d/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Barbara Linburger? 1682 24 Sep Abraham s/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Abraham Hack? & Elizabeth Maria 1686 19 Jan Johann Frederich s/o Joh.Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Johann Pfeil? 1702 12 Jan Marriage of Abraham Weiss & Christina Margaretha Derst d/o Herman Derst 1703 21 Oct Johann Adreas s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: ?Englehard & Andreas Muller 1705 14 Jun Maria Birgitta d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsor: Maria Birgitta ? 1708 19 Apr Johann Jacob s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Johann Jacob Faulhaber & Maria Catharina 1711 14 May Johanna Maria d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Ana Maria & Andreas Schmitt 1713 13 Aug Anna Catharina d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Anna Catharina & Johann Jacob Schmid 1717 27 Nov Johann George s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsor: Johann George Engelmann 1718 Confirmation of Maria Birgitta Weiss @ 14 1719 Confirmation of Adreas Weiss @ 14 1719 24 Oct Death of Anna Christina Margaretha Weiss @ 43 1/2 1720 1 Jan Death of Eckhard Weiss @ 85 1720 9 Jan Marriage of Abraham Weiss & Maria Juliana Gerhard 1720 13 Jan Death of Anna Maria Weiss w/o Eckhard @ 65 1721 19 Jan Johannes s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Jeremias Ingelhem 1722 13 Jan Maria Salome d/o Abraham & Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Maria Salome Winterheimer 1724 20 Feb Johann Adam s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Johann Adam Muller 1727 probable birth to Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Note: in 1727 Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss stood sponsors for Juliana Muller d/o Johann Adam Muller & Anna Maria 1729 24 Oct Death of Anna Margareta d/o Abraham Weiss @1yr 10 mos. 1731 8 Feb Susanne d/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Paul Zilluff & Susanne 1733 Death of Abraham Weise- no age given 1733 24 Dec Johann Frederick s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Johann Frederich Alsentz? & wife 1736 24 May Anna Christina d/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Joh. Valentine ?Airfind? & Anna Christina 1738 1 Sep Johann Balthasar s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Johann Balthasar Gereth Note: In 1738 Abraham and Maria Juliana Weiss stood sponsors for Maria Juliana d/o Johann Balthasar and Anna Maria Gereth. 1739 18 Oct Anna Catharina d/o Abraham & Maria Julian Weiss Sponsor: Anna Catharina Weiss 1743 19 Jan Death of Anna Catharina d/o Abraham Weiss @3 1747 6 Aug Marriage of Johann Adam Weiss & Maria Elizabetha Graff d/o of Franz Graff 1748 7 May Andreas s/o Johann Adam Weiss ex uxor. Sponsor: Andreas Weiler et exor. 1750 16 Aug Death of Maria Salome Weiss @28 yrs 7 mos. 1753 30 Dec Death of Wilhem Weiss @8? yrs 1754 19 Mar Death of Johann Wilhelm Weiss @ 2 1754 6 Sep Death of Abraham Weiss @ 72 1758 1 Oct Death of Abraham Weiss's widow @ 63

    05/05/2011 02:46:42