I think many times people use the term "hardshell" to mean that they were "definately" Baptists, "Deep Water Baptists"  I like to call them, rather than the term being used as it is in some Baptist circles to imply  Primitive Hyper Calvinistic Baptists.    I really think many Brethren would have had a hard time accepting hypercalvinistic doctrine. As for Caney , KS.   There has been an American Baptist or as they used to be called, Northern Baptist  church there for ever.  The minister who married us was from that congregation. Dan Flyger Freeman, SD -----Original Message----- From: "Ruth Hoese" <[email protected]> Sent 3/26/2011 4:00:54 PM To: "Ginni Morgan" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Hardshell Baptists (was Re: Brethren, Gentry County Missouri)That is very interesting as we are descended from Elder John Wise of the Brethren church. He was married to a definitely Brethren Grable and had a Garber ancestor. Elder John Wise was one of three brothers who were Brethren ministers. So I think the term may be more generic than indicated in that. I do know that when my great grandmother died she was a member of the Nazarene Church. I do not believe there was a Brethren church in that little town of Caney, KS in the 1940's. I always thought as a girl, and knowing my grandmother, that he meant hard nosed, narrow minded! Maybe he did, kids do pick up on things. Who knows what my grandchildren might think of me, although I don't think it is that. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Ginni Morgan Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Hardshell Baptists (was Re: Brethren, Gentry County Missouri) A very quick Google search seems to indicate that the term hardshell Baptist refers to the Primitive Baptists. I'm sure others will have more information on the connections between the Brethren and the Primitive Baptists. Catholic Encyclopedia: Baptists: Minor Baptist Bodies "(6) The Primitive Baptists, also called Old-School, Anti-Mission, and Hard-Shell, Baptists constitute a sect which is opposed to missions, Sunday schools, and in general to human religious institutions. They arose about 1835 (126,000 communicants)." Essay on Essential Baptist Principles™ (2002) Web www.essentialbaptistprinciples.org Editor : Elder Claude Mckee 1497 Bailee Way S. W. Jacksonville, Alabama 36265 "Since the early 1800’s the only group of Baptists in America which have held to the doctrines and practices of the Apostles have been called Primitive Baptists. This came about because of the great departure from the truth by many Baptists in the early 1800’s. Those that opposed the departures were labeled hardshell or Primitive Baptists" From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Primitive Baptists are a group of Baptists that grew out of the missionary / anti-missionary controversy that divided Baptists of America in the early part of the 19th century, with Primitive Baptists following the anti-missionary position.[1] Those currently denominated Primitive Baptists consist of descendants of churches and ministers that opposed the Baptist Board of Foreign Missions (organized in 1814).[citation needed] Primitive Baptist churches are characterized by "intense conservatism".[2] Since arising in the 19th Century, the influence of Primitive Baptists has waned as "Missionary Baptists became the mainstream".[1] Primitive Baptist churches are found in their greatest numbers in the southeastern United States.[2]" Ginni Morgan -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Flyger <[email protected]> >Sent: Mar 26, 2011 8:15 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [BRE] Brethren, Gentry County Missouri > >Does anyone know anything about the Long Branch Church and cemetery located >SW of Darlington, MO? >When was it organized? What became of it? >The names in the cemetery of definately Brethren names: Hartman, Gish, >Harris, Oyler, Funk, Snook . . . >Our ancestors are buried there for a couple generations. We know that at >least the Hartmans, Gishes and Harris families came from Roanoke, VA area. >What became of this church? I visited with one old man in Albany, MO who >was in his 70's and said he was raised in the Long Branch Church and that >they were "hardshell Baptists" >Our family left in the very early 1900's and went to SE Nebraska. >Any information would be greatly appreciated, >Dan Flyger >Freeman, SD > > ------------------------ >Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message