On 3/22/2011 3:11 PM, Teri Pettit wrote: > Dwayne, > > Your logic about the birth order of the sons is very sound, enough so that I am going to revise the estimated birthdates for Martin and John Jr. in my database, citing your logic. (John Garber Jr. is my 5G grandfather, through his daughter Magdalena who married Daniel Frantz 1763-1843.) > > > ________________________________________ > [[email protected]] > Subject: [BRE] Elder John Garber Sr. and wife Barbara Miller > > I am having some problems comprehending the family of Elder John Garber Sr. > He is said to have been born circa 1717, and his wife Barbara Miller said to > have been born circa 1733. They are said to have been married in the > early1750s, 1752 and 1754 being the most tossed around guesses. Lists of > their children usually start with son Samuel, who is said to have been born > circa 1756. The other older sons were John Garber Jr., thought to have been > born in the late 1750s, and Martin Garber, in the early 1760s. All three of > these older sons, along with their father, were fined in April 1776 as > Non-Enrollers during the Revolutionary War. Samuel and Martin were the > executors of their father's will and estate. (John Garber Jr. was living in > North Carolina when his father died.) > > > > The 1787 will of Elder John Gerber Sr. lists the order of the children with > John Jr. first, Samuel second, Martin third, then Anna, Abraham, Jacob, > Daniel, Catherine, Joseph, and Magdalene. Usually, although not always, > these lists are in order of birth, suggesting that John Garber Jr. was the > oldest. Tradition aside, I still have to believe that John Jr. was the > oldest, not Samuel. Why? For various reasons. John Garber Jr. was the > first to spin off from his father's family and start one of his own. His > brother, Martin Garber, was probably born no later than the late 1750s in > order to have been fined as a Non-Enroller is April 1776, but if Samuel were > the oldest, that would make little room for John Jr's birth year. > > In checking on the John Garber/wife Barbara Zook - I found some information that suggested that he is NOT the son of Elder John Garber, but the son of Elder John's brother, Samuel Garber/wife Catherine Diehl This was in connection to the ministry here at the Obannon Church, near Goshen in Clermont Co, Southern Ohio - where John Garber is listed as the first minister at the formation of the church, about 1795. Joseph Garber/wife Catherine Leedy served as a later minister - being earlier at the Ten Mile Creek Church down near New Richmond OH. Joseph Garber is a son of Elder John Garber - and the information was that they were NOT brothers. This suggests that there is a mistake in the identification of John Garber, son of Elder John Garber. John Garber became the Founding Elder of the Donnelscreek Church, since he had to move north following the Virginia Bounty Lands Survey in 1802 - as did all who had established homes in the area. This John Garber is given the birth date of 17 Jan 1758 in York Co PA, death14 Nov 1819, Champaign Co OH. Barbara Zook seems to have moved back down to the Obannon Church - dying 10 Sep 1830 at Goshen OH. Is my information correct? Merle C Rummel

No, Merle, your information cannot be considered correct unless you can document it. Maybe you could tell us more about your "information" and how it is documented. My information is from two documented articles that appeared in the April 2010 and January 2011 issues of MENNONITE FAMILY HISTORY. Both articles cover various New River Brethren families before and after their settlement in Wilkes/Ashe County, NC, 1787-1790. John Garber, Jr., was a minister at the Forks of the Yadkin and the New River Brethren congregations in North Carolina many years prior to his ministerial duties at the Obannon and Donnels Creek churches in Ohio. He came to Ohio, via Kentucky, with the Custers, Kesslers, and other North Carolina Brethren. Dwayne Wrightsman ----------------------------------------------- >From Merle C Rummel: In checking on the John Garber/wife Barbara Zook - I found some information that suggested that he is NOT the son of Elder John Garber, but the son of Elder John's brother, Samuel Garber/wife Catherine Diehl This was in connection to the ministry here at the Obannon Church, near Goshen in Clermont Co, Southern Ohio - where John Garber is listed as the first minister at the formation of the church, about 1795. Joseph Garber/wife Catherine Leedy served as a later minister - being earlier at the Ten Mile Creek Church down near New Richmond OH. Joseph Garber is a son of Elder John Garber - and the information was that they were NOT brothers. This suggests that there is a mistake in the identification of John Garber, son of Elder John Garber. John Garber became the Founding Elder of the Donnelscreek Church, since he had to move north following the Virginia Bounty Lands Survey in 1802 - as did all who had established homes in the area. This John Garber is given the birth date of 17 Jan 1758 in York Co PA, death14 Nov 1819, Champaign Co OH. Barbara Zook seems to have moved back down to the Obannon Church - dying 10 Sep 1830 at Goshen OH. Is my information correct? Merle C Rummel ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 3/22/2011 5:16 PM, Dwayne Wrightsman wrote: > No, Merle, your information cannot be considered correct unless you can > document it. Maybe you could tell us more about your "information" and how > it is documented. My information is from two documented articles that > appeared in the April 2010 and January 2011 issues of MENNONITE FAMILY > HISTORY. Both articles cover various New River Brethren families before and > after their settlement in Wilkes/Ashe County, NC, 1787-1790. John Garber, > Jr., was a minister at the Forks of the Yadkin and the New River Brethren > congregations in North Carolina many years prior to his ministerial duties > at the Obannon and Donnels Creek churches in Ohio. He came to Ohio, via > Kentucky, with the Custers, Kesslers, and other North Carolina Brethren. > > Dwayne Wrightsman > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > From Merle C Rummel: > > In checking on the John Garber/wife Barbara Zook - I found some > information that suggested that he is NOT the son of Elder John Garber, > but the son of Elder John's brother, Samuel Garber/wife Catherine Diehl you can't imagine how I've been going through my source materials - since I wrote that - This Samuel Garber was the one who went on to eastern Tennessee - which would put his children down that way. John Garber/Barbara Zook had a sons named Samuel and John - (and Daniel, Jacob, Abraham and Joseph - but none named Henry - for Barbara's father). And yes, I'm well aware of all these families - many of them came on to the Obannon Church. In fact, I am a Custer descendant - through the Kerns (Salisbury NC.to the Hinkston Creek Church to Obannon). and John Custer died over on Duck Creek, just east of Sharonville and Montgomery OH. His wife died at Goshen - at the Obannon Church, and is buried in the Myers Cemetery just west of Goshen - but that doesn't document my statement. John Garber's grandson, Samuel Custer, in his little family history, wrote that his grandfather was a believer in Eternal Restoration (Universalism) - which was the Revival Center where they lived (Paul Custer/Mary Garber) - just west of here at Dublin IN. Samuel said that they had lived near Lexington KY - which could mean the Hinkston Creek Church. I think it was in this mess of informations, that I got the other parentage - but I haven't found it so far. I had originally written John Garber as son of Elder Johannes Garber (along with Joseph Garber) - then I penciled that out -but didn't write my source on that paper (that's the one I've found so far - ) This statement was in the Garber family information I sent to you in the Frontier Brethren book. Merle