Suzy: A light just went off in my brain. I think I now why Jacob Schmucker's wife had her baby in Carlisle in 1779. Many of the residents of then Bedford County left the area between 1778 & 1779 due to Indian uprisings. Carlisle was the evacuation point for many of the refugee's. They were escaping the infamous Simon Girty and his Indian warriors. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Yes, Bill, I know, not necessarily, but some 20 year old kid wasn't in a position to speculate like Benj Chew and others. Plus, he didn't outright own the property, not then anyway, if I'm reading my history books the right way. I think he got the property though some legislation that happened in 1792. Squatter's Rights is what I call it, but Tomahawk Claim is what they euphemistically call it in the books. This is totally off the subject of the list, but my current theory -- and I say that without really knowing how it all worked -- is that Jacob Schmucker, and possibly others, thought he'd better hightail it to Cumberland/Bedford Co to get his claim in before the land was all gone, but then he couldn't leave it for fear somebody would come along and take it. ?? That's the only thing I can think of because I doubt he had a place in the hills to spend the summer ala Geo Bush to Kennebunkport. :) My guess is Jacob's wife didn't join him until after the birth of their s! on in 1779, although she might have originally been there, and then left again, temporarily, to have her baby in civilization - I know that's what I would do!!! Really, I am just trying to make sense of the clues I've been given which amounts to his grandson, John Schmucker Jr's, hand written history as it appeared in a mug biography of his great grandson, G.F. Schmucker. I just can't see him laying claim and leaving his property, but then maybe my idea of what was going on back then with regard to land claims isn't quite right. I would love to hear how it worked when somebody laid their claim (or at least paid taxes) in 1776 but didn't purchase it until 1792. Suzy -----Original Message----- From: William Thomas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Being on the tax lists doesn't correlate to residency. It only means you owned property. A number of the names on the Bedford County list owned property but were not residents (some were land speculators like Benjamin Chew). Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? Thank for your answers, Bill, N. H. and Gale. I have perused the listings on the COB site, and the other lists, but am still combing through the Ephrata book which I had never seen before. I only have a small window of perhaps 8 years: 1768-1776 the time when ha was a semi-adult (probably on his own, but it's not certain) but before he was present and accounted for in Somerset Co (Bedford at the time). The only thing I really have is that his wife was in or near Carlisle in 1779 when his son John was born. (Jacob is in Somerset as early as 1776 when he was on a tax list, so I am not sure how that happened.) I know other Schmucker researchers have combed though things long before this, but I keep hoping his name will magically appear. ;) Thaks of rht e replies, though. It's very interesting. Suzy Smucker Wert Indianapolis -----Original Message----- From: gale honeyman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? The URL for the Church of the Brethren network containing Brethren history and genealogy is http://www.cob-net.org/genchurch.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? > Susy: > > There is the Ephrata Death Register on the COB website. You can also > download the Chronicon Ephratense (a detailed history on the cloister). I > believe the book Pennsylvania Vital Statistics also includes Ephrata > records. > > Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow! Wow! WOW! I hadn't thought of this, and I know nothing about it. That book of Bedford & Somerset Cos said they went to special Forts that were way closer. I Googled Simon Girty and/or Indian uprisings with not a whole lot of luck, but then I changed the search to find these books which can be read online: Frontier advance on the upper Ohio, 1778-1779 by Louise Phelps Kellogg d 1942 Pitt The massacre of Wyoming. The acts of Congress for the defense of the Wyoming Valley, Pennsylvania, 1776-1778: with the petitions of the sufferers by the massacre of July 3, 1778, for congressional aid by Wyoming Historical and Geological Society United States. Continental Congress Hayden, Horace Edwin, 1837-1917 Wilkes-Barre, Pa., Printed for the Society, 1895 OpL I'm getting there...they are on the top of the short list of things to do. Bill, I can't thank you enough for not only this, but your general conversation on the list these past couple of months. Suzy -----Original Message----- From: William Thomas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:23 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] Why Mrs. Schmucker wasn't in Somerset County Suzy: A light just went off in my brain. I think I now why Jacob Schmucker's wife had her baby in Carlisle in 1779. Many of the residents of then Bedford County left the area between 1778 & 1779 due to Indian uprisings. Carlisle was the evacuation point for many of the refugee's. They were escaping the infamous Simon Girty and his Indian warriors. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Yes, Bill, I know, not necessarily, but some 20 year old kid wasn't in a position to speculate like Benj Chew and others. Plus, he didn't outright own the property, not then anyway, if I'm reading my history books the right way. I think he got the property though some legislation that happened in 1792. Squatter's Rights is what I call it, but Tomahawk Claim is what they euphemistically call it in the books. This is totally off the subject of the list, but my current theory -- and I say that without really knowing how it all worked -- is that Jacob Schmucker, and possibly others, thought he'd better hightail it to Cumberland/Bedford Co to get his claim in before the land was all gone, but then he couldn't leave it for fear somebody would come along and take it. ?? That's the only thing I can think of because I doubt he had a place in the hills to spend the summer ala Geo Bush to Kennebunkport. :) My guess is Jacob's wife didn't join him until after the birth of their s! on in 1779, although she might have originally been there, and then left again, temporarily, to have her baby in civilization - I know that's what I would do!!! Really, I am just trying to make sense of the clues I've been given which amounts to his grandson, John Schmucker Jr's, hand written history as it appeared in a mug biography of his great grandson, G.F. Schmucker. I just can't see him laying claim and leaving his property, but then maybe my idea of what was going on back then with regard to land claims isn't quite right. I would love to hear how it worked when somebody laid their claim (or at least paid taxes) in 1776 but didn't purchase it until 1792. Suzy -----Original Message----- From: William Thomas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Being on the tax lists doesn't correlate to residency. It only means you owned property. A number of the names on the Bedford County list owned property but were not residents (some were land speculators like Benjamin Chew). Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? Thank for your answers, Bill, N. H. and Gale. I have perused the listings on the COB site, and the other lists, but am still combing through the Ephrata book which I had never seen before. I only have a small window of perhaps 8 years: 1768-1776 the time when ha was a semi-adult (probably on his own, but it's not certain) but before he was present and accounted for in Somerset Co (Bedford at the time). The only thing I really have is that his wife was in or near Carlisle in 1779 when his son John was born. (Jacob is in Somerset as early as 1776 when he was on a tax list, so I am not sure how that happened.) I know other Schmucker researchers have combed though things long before this, but I keep hoping his name will magically appear. ;) Thaks of rht e replies, though. It's very interesting. Suzy Smucker Wert Indianapolis -----Original Message----- From: gale honeyman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? The URL for the Church of the Brethren network containing Brethren history and genealogy is http://www.cob-net.org/genchurch.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? > Susy: > > There is the Ephrata Death Register on the COB website. You can also > download the Chronicon Ephratense (a detailed history on the cloister). I > believe the book Pennsylvania Vital Statistics also includes Ephrata > records. > > Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message