Merle, It is my belief that the Western Kentucky Brethren were active long before Joseph Roland officially organized them. We know that the Muhlenberg Brethren were there before 1814 when the "Muhlenberg County" church was officially constituted by Roland, and before 1826 when the "Long Creek" church was officially constituted, again by Roland. Some of the Long Creek members were packing up to leave Kentucky even before 1826. The Muhlenberg people started settling in the late 1700s and most of them came from Virginia and North Carolina soon after 1800. They were already Brethren even though they were not officially organized as such. So I would not make too much of the organizational dates in Roland's "Ancient Document" of 1830. I suspect that there really was a Grayson County Brethren church since Joseph Roland knew about it, organized it, and wrote about it. I suspect that we have leaned too much on David B. Eller who in his dissertation covered Drakes, Muhlenberg, and Long Creek, but said nothing about Grayson. So far I have placed some of the children of Henry Rhoads in the Grayson County area, and now these Millers. Who knows who else may have been there? Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Merle C Rummel Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 4:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Samuel and Barbara [Kingery] Miller of Grayson County, KY On 3/25/2011 12:10 PM, Dwayne Wrightsman wrote: > > > Samuel Miller (b.1758) and his wife, Barbara Kingery (b.1764), moved from > Virginia (possibly Franklin County) to Grayson County, Kentucky, sometime > around the year 1800. Samuel was listed in both the 1810 and 1820 censuses > for Grayson County, KY. In the 1810 census, Samuel Miller and five other > Miller families were living close together. In the 1820 census, Samuel > Miller and 15 other Miller families were living close together. Samuel > Miller is said to have died about 1827. > > > > If Samuel and Barbara were members of the Miller and Kingery families of > Franklin County, VA, during the late 1700s, they were quite possibly > Brethren, and if their family (along with other Miller relations) were in > Grayson County during the 1810s and 1820s, they might have been associated > with the Grayson County Brethren church organized by Elder Joseph Roland. > > Who is this Samuel Miller? - was he connected to the "5 Miller Brothers - all Preachers" (Patricia Johnson, Elder Jacob Miller) - which included Elder Jacob Miller, in Franklin Co VA? I have tried to identified the "Five Miller Brothers" - Elder Jacob Miller, Tobias Miller and Baltzar Miller are connected. I have identified the presence of an Isaac Miller and a Daniel Miller - who might be the other brothers of the "Five". There were several families of Kingerys (Gingrich) there in Franklin Co VA - some daughers married sons of Elder Jacob Miller, and came to the Four Mile - here in Indiana. The Grayson County Church was started late (Joseph Roland - 1814), and I did little with those Kentucky Brethren churches that came in existance after 1800, but it is becoming very interesting! Merle C Rummel

> It is my belief that the Western Kentucky Brethren were active long before > Joseph Roland officially organized them. We know that the Muhlenberg > Brethren were there before 1814 when the "Muhlenberg County" church was > officially constituted by Roland, and before 1826 when the "Long Creek" > church was officially constituted, again by Roland. I'm going to have to go through my research materials - I remember finding several references to a general area that was not Muhlenberg Co or Drakes Creek, and seemed to not be as far distant as they - just, on the way there. It may include this church area. I forget its name now - but it seems it was called "Green Country" or "Green River Country". It was early - maybe even before 1800. It was unspecified where this was - I did not locate it to any particular Kentucky County. It might have been this group. I really am interested in these families - Merle