Bill and all, My direct ancestor, Peter Zimmerman (Carpenter), has descendants who entered the DAR because of his military duty against the Cherokee Indians in 1776. Yet, he was a Tory at the Battle of Ramsours Mill and had property ("beefes") confiscated because he was a Tory and some sources report that he was a Tory captain. DAR looseness with documentation in the past contrasts with their strict adherence to "Patriotic service" now. For example a chapter in Hickory, North Carolina is named the Lt. John Hoyle DAR chapter. Hoyle was listed as a Tory on confiscation papers. His lieutenant status came after the war. The DAR tried to strip the chapter of its name. It still has its name even though the chapter has failed to prove his Whig or Patriot service during the war. They enlisted me to help and I was not able to find any documentation that he served as a Patriot. He and his brother Andrew were both listed as Tories even though neither had property confiscated. The complexities of the Revolution--Whig, Tory, and Neutral--truly fascinate me. Why persons chose certain roles and why they changed those roles are interesting topics for study. I would like to take lists of Tory confiscation papers, Tory regiments, etc. for my area of North Carolina and try to determine what happened to those people and try to trace their sentiments. It does not help our search that in NC the General Assembly passed a law in 1781 which stated that if a person had served as a Tory they could enlist in a Whig or Patriot army and their property would not be confiscated. Many did just that. General Griffith Rutherford's 1782 Wilmington Expedition had lots of former Tories and Neutrals who were encouraged by that law. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers > At Guilford the hope was they would fire twice and fall back. From some > of > the accounts they got off one shot, other accounts stated that they just > cut > and run. Their superior performance at Cowpens is the basis for the last > battle in the Mel Gibson movie "The Patriot". > > The DAR puts militia members on par with the Continental soldiers. The > phrase 'patriot' should be based on the individual's actual military > service, not the hypothetical service DAR assumes. You get the sense DAR > is > more interested in establishing bragging rights for its members then it is > in honoring the service of those who actually suffered for their country. > That is exemplified by one of my ancestors who has a DAR tombstone, who > was > actually a Hessian soldier fighting for the British. > > Bill T. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Robert Carpenter > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers > > Militia units were very important to the Revolution and also very > disappointing. They often fled like they did at Camden and were > ineffective > > as they were in defending Charleston or in attempting to take Savannah. > > Yet Daniel Morgan figured them out. At the Battle of Cowpens he > understood > that basically un-trained and marginally disciplined soldiers could > perform > well only if they had specific tasks to complete. At Cowpens he ordered > his > > militia front and center. He then ordered them to fire twice and fall > back. > > He knew they would retreat or in other words run. So why not take > advantage > > of their strength. After the two lines of militia fired and fell back, > his > Continentals were located behind a hill. When Tarleton's forces came > galloping and running across that hill thinking they had the Patriots on > the > > run, they were mowed down and then the Continentals charged them. > > Nathaniel Greene learned from Morgan. He used the same tactics as > Guilford > Courthouse. Militia units were to fire twice and fall back. Continentals > were the third line and charged the incoming redcoats. > > In partisan battles like Ramsours Mill, Musgroves Mill, Hanging Rock, > Kings > Mountain, or others sometimes militia actually acquitted themselves quite > well. But being civilian soldiers with the emphasis upon civilian also > meant that they often times disappointed their leaders and themselves. > > But being militia also meant that they were performing a civic duty. > Sometimes they did so badly. > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers > > >> I've noted this in the past. Most militia never saw any action. I >> recently >> read a book on the Battle of Guilford Courthouse. It doesn't have many >> nice >> things to say about the North Carolina militia. They had a high >> desertion >> rate prior to the battle, and many fled the battle before even firing a >> shot. They did the same thing at the earlier battle of Camden in South >> Carolina. Of course there are also notable exceptions. The militia >> defeated the British at Kings Mountain. Of course they were from what >> became Tennessee. >> >> Point being, having your name on a militia list is like having your name >> in >> the phone book. It proves you were likely breathing when the list was >> made, >> and where you lived. It also tells you what age range you were in at the >> time. >> >> Bill Thomas >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Thom >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:33 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers >> >> I consider the DAR Patriot list to be almost a joke. >> >> Elgibility includes: >> --all those on Militia rolls [all males in the county above a certain age >> whether they ever attended drill or not - this is how a lot of Brethren >> ended up on the Patriot list] >> >> --all those who provided supplies to the Army, including those who >> refused >> to sell to the Army and had those supplies confiscated >> --those who HIRED someone to take their place in the Army >> >> >> My ancestry is split between those who actually fought in the American >> Revolution, and those [as German Baptist Brethren and Mennonites] who >> refused to fight. I am proud of both sets of ancestors for standing up >> for >> their beliefs, but who is the DAR trying to kid with their eligibility >> requirements? >> >> >> >> Thom Flory >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MG <[email protected]> >> To: 'Bob Harter' <[email protected]>; [email protected] >> Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2011 7:57 am >> Subject: [BRE] Non-enrollers >> >> >> Regarding non-enrollers, Nicholas Leatherman and his son Christian, >> Dunkards, were released from a 12 fold tax to 3 fold tax in 1780, Rowan >> County, NC. This is the same Nicholas Leatherman on the 1776 Fredrick >> County non-enroller list. That list helps me establish that Nicholas was >> still in Fredrick County in 1776. Thank you. >> >> Last year I was able to establish Nicholas Leatherman as a DAR Patriot. >> The >> DAR defines one's last documented act as acceptance in DAR. Nicholas >> furnished supplies for the Army in 1781 or 1782 (not sure of the year >> without my notes). >> Martin Shoup, a non-enroller, in Fredrick County, MD, is another DAR >> Patriot >> I was able to prove. >> >> Margaret Gray >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Bob Harter >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:22 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers >> >> two questions: >> Do you know who this mentioned Adam Miller would have been? Jacob Petry >> Jr. >> married Magdelena Miller, whose father was an Adam Miller. So far I have >> been able to find any information on him. >> Do you find any Harters in the non-enroller list? Three brothers (without >> looking it up I believe it was Christian, Adam, and Frantz) were brought >> before the court for not enrolling and pleaded innocence - Adam married >> Anthony Hardman's daughter and moved to Washington Co. PA with or after >> the >> Hardman family. >> >> Bob Harter >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> >> To: "'Art Miller'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers >> >> >>> Art: >>> >>> I have a copy of the 1776 non-enrollers list for Washington County, MD, >>> that >>> lists "Dunkars & Menonist" fines. The list includes Abraham Miller, >>> David >>> Miller, and David Miller son of Philip. It goes onto list an appraisal >>> of >>> guns (what ever that means) in 1777 and includes a Henry Miller. >>> >>> Point being there were several Miller's in Washington County, some of >>> who >>> were Dunkers or Mennonites, a name common to both denominations. >>> >>> If you move to the 1776 non-enroller list for Frederick County, MD, >>> which >>> includes Anthony Hardman and Nicholas Leatherman (I believe Daniel's >>> brother), you have even more Millers. You have Jacob Miller, Jacob >>> Miller >>> s/o Adam, Abraham Miller, Peter Miller, Stephen Miller, Solomon Miller, >>> Robert Miller, Henry Miller, Philip Miller, David Miller and Daniel >>> Miller, >>> all fined, and implying a Dunker/Mennonite/Quaker religious affiliation. >>> So >>> you have a lot of potential Millers your ancestor could be affiliated >>> with. >>> >>> In case you are not familiar with the non-enroller listing, these are >>> people >>> who refused to show up for militia musters. They may have done this for >>> religious reasons or they were loyalists. >>> >>> Having Amish Miller's in my family, it becomes quite challenging trying >>> separate one Miller from another. >>> >>> Bill Thomas >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >>> ------------------------ >>> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >>> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >>> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for the comments Robert. Today's DAR 'ain't' your granny's DAR. I've spoken to many of the groups on various textile history topics. They could fully engage on the complexities of tax laws, trade routes, military interventions and social histories that all effected textile production. It wasn't just the DAR that 'romanticized' (which rhymes with 'fantasized") facts during the Colonial Revival period. "DAR looseness with documentation in the past contrasts with their strict adherence to "Patriotic service" now." Jan Thomas Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers Bill and all, My direct ancestor, Peter Zimmerman (Carpenter), has descendants who entered the DAR because of his military duty against the Cherokee Indians in 1776. Yet, he was a Tory at the Battle of Ramsours Mill and had property ("beefes") confiscated because he was a Tory and some sources report that he was a Tory captain. DAR looseness with documentation in the past contrasts with their strict adherence to "Patriotic service" now. For example a chapter in Hickory, North Carolina is named the Lt. John Hoyle DAR chapter. Hoyle was listed as a Tory on confiscation papers. His lieutenant status came after the war. The DAR tried to strip the chapter of its name. It still has its name even though the chapter has failed to prove his Whig or Patriot service during the war. They enlisted me to help and I was not able to find any documentation that he served as a Patriot. He and his brother Andrew were both listed as Tories even though neither had property confiscated. The complexities of the Revolution--Whig, Tory, and Neutral--truly fascinate me. Why persons chose certain roles and why they changed those roles are interesting topics for study. I would like to take lists of Tory confiscation papers, Tory regiments, etc. for my area of North Carolina and try to determine what happened to those people and try to trace their sentiments. It does not help our search that in NC the General Assembly passed a law in 1781 which stated that if a person had served as a Tory they could enlist in a Whig or Patriot army and their property would not be confiscated. Many did just that. General Griffith Rutherford's 1782 Wilmington Expedition had lots of former Tories and Neutrals who were encouraged by that law. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers > At Guilford the hope was they would fire twice and fall back. From some > of > the accounts they got off one shot, other accounts stated that they just > cut > and run. Their superior performance at Cowpens is the basis for the last > battle in the Mel Gibson movie "The Patriot". > > The DAR puts militia members on par with the Continental soldiers. The > phrase 'patriot' should be based on the individual's actual military > service, not the hypothetical service DAR assumes. You get the sense DAR > is > more interested in establishing bragging rights for its members then it is > in honoring the service of those who actually suffered for their country. > That is exemplified by one of my ancestors who has a DAR tombstone, who > was > actually a Hessian soldier fighting for the British. > > Bill T. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Robert Carpenter > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers > > Militia units were very important to the Revolution and also very > disappointing. They often fled like they did at Camden and were > ineffective > > as they were in defending Charleston or in attempting to take Savannah. > > Yet Daniel Morgan figured them out. At the Battle of Cowpens he > understood > that basically un-trained and marginally disciplined soldiers could > perform > well only if they had specific tasks to complete. At Cowpens he ordered > his > > militia front and center. He then ordered them to fire twice and fall > back. > > He knew they would retreat or in other words run. So why not take > advantage > > of their strength. After the two lines of militia fired and fell back, > his > Continentals were located behind a hill. When Tarleton's forces came > galloping and running across that hill thinking they had the Patriots on > the > > run, they were mowed down and then the Continentals charged them. > > Nathaniel Greene learned from Morgan. He used the same tactics as > Guilford > Courthouse. Militia units were to fire twice and fall back. Continentals > were the third line and charged the incoming redcoats. > > In partisan battles like Ramsours Mill, Musgroves Mill, Hanging Rock, > Kings > Mountain, or others sometimes militia actually acquitted themselves quite > well. But being civilian soldiers with the emphasis upon civilian also > meant that they often times disappointed their leaders and themselves. > > But being militia also meant that they were performing a civic duty. > Sometimes they did so badly. > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers > > >> I've noted this in the past. Most militia never saw any action. I >> recently >> read a book on the Battle of Guilford Courthouse. It doesn't have many >> nice >> things to say about the North Carolina militia. They had a high >> desertion >> rate prior to the battle, and many fled the battle before even firing a >> shot. They did the same thing at the earlier battle of Camden in South >> Carolina. Of course there are also notable exceptions. The militia >> defeated the British at Kings Mountain. Of course they were from what >> became Tennessee. >> >> Point being, having your name on a militia list is like having your name >> in >> the phone book. It proves you were likely breathing when the list was >> made, >> and where you lived. It also tells you what age range you were in at the >> time. >> >> Bill Thomas >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Thom >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:33 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers >> >> I consider the DAR Patriot list to be almost a joke. >> >> Elgibility includes: >> --all those on Militia rolls [all males in the county above a certain age >> whether they ever attended drill or not - this is how a lot of Brethren >> ended up on the Patriot list] >> >> --all those who provided supplies to the Army, including those who >> refused >> to sell to the Army and had those supplies confiscated >> --those who HIRED someone to take their place in the Army >> >> >> My ancestry is split between those who actually fought in the American >> Revolution, and those [as German Baptist Brethren and Mennonites] who >> refused to fight. I am proud of both sets of ancestors for standing up >> for >> their beliefs, but who is the DAR trying to kid with their eligibility >> requirements? >> >> >> >> Thom Flory >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MG <[email protected]> >> To: 'Bob Harter' <[email protected]>; [email protected] >> Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2011 7:57 am >> Subject: [BRE] Non-enrollers >> >> >> Regarding non-enrollers, Nicholas Leatherman and his son Christian, >> Dunkards, were released from a 12 fold tax to 3 fold tax in 1780, Rowan >> County, NC. This is the same Nicholas Leatherman on the 1776 Fredrick >> County non-enroller list. That list helps me establish that Nicholas was >> still in Fredrick County in 1776. Thank you. >> >> Last year I was able to establish Nicholas Leatherman as a DAR Patriot. >> The >> DAR defines one's last documented act as acceptance in DAR. Nicholas >> furnished supplies for the Army in 1781 or 1782 (not sure of the year >> without my notes). >> Martin Shoup, a non-enroller, in Fredrick County, MD, is another DAR >> Patriot >> I was able to prove. >> >> Margaret Gray >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Bob Harter >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:22 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers >> >> two questions: >> Do you know who this mentioned Adam Miller would have been? Jacob Petry >> Jr. >> married Magdelena Miller, whose father was an Adam Miller. So far I have >> been able to find any information on him. >> Do you find any Harters in the non-enroller list? Three brothers (without >> looking it up I believe it was Christian, Adam, and Frantz) were brought >> before the court for not enrolling and pleaded innocence - Adam married >> Anthony Hardman's daughter and moved to Washington Co. PA with or after >> the >> Hardman family. >> >> Bob Harter >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> >> To: "'Art Miller'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers >> >> >>> Art: >>> >>> I have a copy of the 1776 non-enrollers list for Washington County, MD, >>> that >>> lists "Dunkars & Menonist" fines. The list includes Abraham Miller, >>> David >>> Miller, and David Miller son of Philip. It goes onto list an appraisal >>> of >>> guns (what ever that means) in 1777 and includes a Henry Miller. >>> >>> Point being there were several Miller's in Washington County, some of >>> who >>> were Dunkers or Mennonites, a name common to both denominations. >>> >>> If you move to the 1776 non-enroller list for Frederick County, MD, >>> which >>> includes Anthony Hardman and Nicholas Leatherman (I believe Daniel's >>> brother), you have even more Millers. You have Jacob Miller, Jacob >>> Miller >>> s/o Adam, Abraham Miller, Peter Miller, Stephen Miller, Solomon Miller, >>> Robert Miller, Henry Miller, Philip Miller, David Miller and Daniel >>> Miller, >>> all fined, and implying a Dunker/Mennonite/Quaker religious affiliation. >>> So >>> you have a lot of potential Millers your ancestor could be affiliated >>> with. >>> >>> In case you are not familiar with the non-enroller listing, these are >>> people >>> who refused to show up for militia musters. They may have done this for >>> religious reasons or they were loyalists. >>> >>> Having Amish Miller's in my family, it becomes quite challenging trying >>> separate one Miller from another. >>> >>> Bill Thomas >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >>> ------------------------ >>> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >>> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >>> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message