Can anyone help understand this Wise family's connection to Miller families in Maryland and Washington Co., Pa.? Specifically, >Peter Wise reportedly married Mary Magdalena Miller the daughter of Ludwig >Miller born 1740. Could this Ludwig Miller be the one who was naturalized >1762 in Maryland, with Daniel Leatherman and Anthony Hartman as witnesses? >It appears that this Ludwig Miller was member of their COB church >(Middletown Valley?). Of course, Daniel and Anthony also migrated to >Washington Co., Pa. Any idea who this Ludwig Miller was? Could he have >been connected to brothers Abraham Miller (died 1754), Jacob (died c1762) >and Isaac (died c1754) who lived on Monocacy? >An Elizabeth Wise born 1764 in Maryland married a David Miller born 1767. >They were in Shelby Co., Ky. by 1795 with Hartman and Leatherman families. >It appears that this David Miller was son of William Miller who died 1802 >in West Bethlehem Twp., Washington Co., Pa. I'm wondering if this >Elizabeth could have been Peter Wise's sister Maria Elizabeth born 1764 in >Carroll Co., Md.. >Where was the Wise family located in Westmoreland Co.? Certainly, these Wise and Miller families fit based on timing and location. But, I haven't been able to establish a definitive connection. Any insight would be appreciated. Art Miller, Louisville -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ruth Hoese" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:47 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren "significance" and national significance > The Adam Wise family was in the Ten Mile area beginning in at least 1770. > According to Joseph B. Wise in the book The Wise Family,"Adam Wise and his > family carried on the business of milling and distillation of wine in > Germany, as well as in Maryland and Pennsylvania," pg. 14. It goes on to > say, the land was originally in Westmoreland County and was a tomahawk > improvement....... The land was patented by Peter Wise in 1788 as "The > Fishery." > > The house still standing there was built around 1790. > > Adam Wise's youngest daughter, Judith, married "Rev" John Spohn son of > Martin and Mary Magdalena (Leatherman) Spohn. > > Someone put this entire book online as their own work, although it wasn't. > I > do not know if it is still online. The book was compiled by Kathryn Swim > Cummings and Rachel Jones Hayward and published in 1998. > > I have a lot more information on this family although I have not done any > research for a long time. > Ruth Hoese

Art: I have a copy of the 1776 non-enrollers list for Washington County, MD, that lists "Dunkars & Menonist" fines. The list includes Abraham Miller, David Miller, and David Miller son of Philip. It goes onto list an appraisal of guns (what ever that means) in 1777 and includes a Henry Miller. Point being there were several Miller's in Washington County, some of who were Dunkers or Mennonites, a name common to both denominations. If you move to the 1776 non-enroller list for Frederick County, MD, which includes Anthony Hardman and Nicholas Leatherman (I believe Daniel's brother), you have even more Millers. You have Jacob Miller, Jacob Miller s/o Adam, Abraham Miller, Peter Miller, Stephen Miller, Solomon Miller, Robert Miller, Henry Miller, Philip Miller, David Miller and Daniel Miller, all fined, and implying a Dunker/Mennonite/Quaker religious affiliation. So you have a lot of potential Millers your ancestor could be affiliated with. In case you are not familiar with the non-enroller listing, these are people who refused to show up for militia musters. They may have done this for religious reasons or they were loyalists. Having Amish Miller's in my family, it becomes quite challenging trying separate one Miller from another. Bill Thomas

two questions: Do you know who this mentioned Adam Miller would have been? Jacob Petry Jr. married Magdelena Miller, whose father was an Adam Miller. So far I have been able to find any information on him. Do you find any Harters in the non-enroller list? Three brothers (without looking it up I believe it was Christian, Adam, and Frantz) were brought before the court for not enrolling and pleaded innocence - Adam married Anthony Hardman's daughter and moved to Washington Co. PA with or after the Hardman family. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: "'Art Miller'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers > Art: > > I have a copy of the 1776 non-enrollers list for Washington County, MD, > that > lists "Dunkars & Menonist" fines. The list includes Abraham Miller, David > Miller, and David Miller son of Philip. It goes onto list an appraisal of > guns (what ever that means) in 1777 and includes a Henry Miller. > > Point being there were several Miller's in Washington County, some of who > were Dunkers or Mennonites, a name common to both denominations. > > If you move to the 1776 non-enroller list for Frederick County, MD, which > includes Anthony Hardman and Nicholas Leatherman (I believe Daniel's > brother), you have even more Millers. You have Jacob Miller, Jacob Miller > s/o Adam, Abraham Miller, Peter Miller, Stephen Miller, Solomon Miller, > Robert Miller, Henry Miller, Philip Miller, David Miller and Daniel > Miller, > all fined, and implying a Dunker/Mennonite/Quaker religious affiliation. > So > you have a lot of potential Millers your ancestor could be affiliated > with. > > In case you are not familiar with the non-enroller listing, these are > people > who refused to show up for militia musters. They may have done this for > religious reasons or they were loyalists. > > Having Amish Miller's in my family, it becomes quite challenging trying > separate one Miller from another. > > Bill Thomas > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Here is the first three generations as I have them in my database on the Adam Wise,Sr. family. Notice there is a Miller marriage in the first generation. I do not have her parents. Descendants of Adam Wise, Sr. 1 Adam Wise, Sr. b: 1718 in Grosswinterheim, Rheinish Hess, Germany d: Jun 9, 1781 in Washington County, Penn . +Maria Elizabeta Graff b: Abt. 1730 d: 1763 in Maryland ....... 2 Andrew Wise b: Mar 4, 1747/48 in Grosswinterheim, Rheinish Hess, Germany d: Mar 4, 1840 in Washington County, Penn ........... +Zeruah Hartman b: Abt. 1750 in unknown ................ 3 Mary Wise b: Feb 18, 1777 in Washington Co, Pa d: Jul 19, 1856 in Cass Co., IN .................... +George Custer, Jr. b: Jul 30, 1776 in Maryland ....... 2 Frederick Wise b: Abt. 1755 ........... +Catherine ? ................ 3 Henry Wise b: Oct 15, 1784 in Fredericktown, PA .................... +Rebecca Coffman b: Abt. 1785 ................ 3 Catherine Wise b: Aft. 1785 .................... +Jesse Baumgarner ................ 3 Jacob Wise b: Aft. 1785 ....... 2 Peter Wise b: 1759 in Big Pipe Creek, Carrol Co, Maryland d: Mar 4, 1840 in Stark Co. OH ........... +Mary Magdalene Miller b: 1765 d: Unknown in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 Hannah Wise b: 1793 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in near Canton, Ohio .................... +Jacob Zollars b: Abt. 1800 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in near Canton, Ohio ................ 3 Andrew Wise b: 1786 in Washington County, Penn d: in near Canton, Starke Co. Ohio .................... +Hannah Leatherman b: Abt. 1785 in Wahington Co, Pa d: in near Canton, Ohio ................ 3 Adam Wise b: Abt. 1797 .................... +Phoebe Jane Stockton ................ *2nd Wife of Adam Wise: .................... +Harriet Alexander b: Abt. 1800 d: Abt. 1825 ................ 3 Abraham Wise b: Abt. 1800 .................... +Mary Polly Cox b: 1804 ................ 3 Daniel Wise b: 1784 d: in probably Canton, OH .................... +Elizabeth Tombaugh ................ 3 Peter Miller Wise b: Abt. 1794 ................ 3 Jacob Wise b: Abt. 1785 ................ 3 Susannah Wise b: Abt. 1790 in Washington County, Penn .................... +"Mr."Tombaugh b: Abt. 1780 ................ 3 Molly Wise b: Abt. 1780 d: in Canton, OH .................... +"Mr." Bricker ................ 3 Rebecca Wise b: Abt. 1780 ................ 3 Catherine Wise b: Abt. 1785 in Wahington Co, Pa d: Aft. 1817 in probably Wahington Co, Pa .................... +John Shidler b: Abt. 1743 in probably Frederick Co. MD d: Abt. 1817 in probably Washington County, Penn ....... 2 Henry Wise b: Abt. 1760 in Big Pipe Creek, Carroll Co, MD d: Bef. Sep 10, 1810 in Gallatin Co, KY ........... +Elizabeth Young b: Abt. 1760 ................ 3 Daniel Wise b: 1786 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +Polly Burgett b: Abt. 1790 ................ 3 Elizabeth Wise b: 1790 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +John Bargo ................ 3 Susannah Wise b: 1792 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +Edward Williams b: Abt. 1790 ................ 3 Henry Wise b: 1794 .................... +Sally (??) Wise ................ *2nd Wife of Henry Wise: .................... +Hannah Dunn Wollery ................ 3 David Wise b: 1798 in Gallatin Co, KY ................ 3 James Wise b: Abt. 1796 ................ 3 Phillip Wise b: Mar 12, 1800 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +Mary (Polly) Davis b: Abt. 1800 ................ 3 Isaac Wise b: Abt. 1801 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +Sarah Hensley b: Abt. 1801 ................ 3 Nancy Wise b: Abt. 1802 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +Henry Ball b: Abt. 1800 ................ 3 Milly Wise b: Abt. 1806 ................ 3 Phoebe Wise b: Abt. 1804 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +Abner Bates b: Abt. 1800 ....... 2 Adam Wise, Jr. b: Feb 24, 1763 in Maryland d: Jul 15, 1842 in Washington County, Penn ........... +Barbara Zollars b: Abt. 1759 in Washington County, Penn d: Sep 29, 1852 in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 Elizabeth Wise b: May 8, 1785 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Washington County, Penn .................... +Jacob Shidler, Jr. b: Abt. 1780 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 David Wise b: Mar 8, 1787 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Jul 9, 1858 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn .................... +Esther Shidler b: Abt. 1790 in probably Washington Co, PA d: Aft. Sep 11, 1824 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn ................ *2nd Wife of David Wise: .................... +Rachel Garrett b: Abt. 1800 in probably Washington Co, PA d: in probably Washington Co, PA ................ 3 Samuel Wise b: Aug 10, 1789 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Knox Co. Ohio .................... +Elizabeth Shidler b: Abt. 1792 in Washington Co, PA d: Aft. 1824 in Knox Co. Ohio ................ 3 George Wise b: Nov 1791 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Marshall Co. Ill .................... +Margaret Christian Ullery b: Dec 6, 1796 d: Unknown in Marshall Co. Ill ................ 3 Frederick Wise b: Abt. 1793 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Feb 14, 1876 in Wise Cemetery, Washington Co. Penn .................... +Elizabeth Burson b: Jan 26, 1799 in Clarksville, Pa d: Dec 23, 1879 in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 Rebecca Wise b: Nov 20, 1795 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Knox Co ,Ohio .................... +Peter Crumrine b: Abt. 1795 in Greene Co, PA d: Unknown in Knox Co ,Ohio ................ 3 Joseph Wise, Sr. b: May 22, 1797 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Apr 20, 1863 in Washington County, Penn .................... +Permelia Barnard b: Abt. 1780 in Washington County, Penn d: Apr 20, 1863 in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 Solomon Wise b: May 16, 1799 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in probably in Ohio .................... +Harriet Alexander b: Abt. 1800 in Washington County, Penn d: Abt. 1825 in Washington County, Penn ................ *2nd Wife of Solomon Wise: .................... +Jane Alexander b: Abt. 1800 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Ohio? *2nd Wife of Adam Wise, Sr.: . +Catherine ? (Wise) b: in Maryland? ....... 2 Jacob Wise b: Abt. 1764 ....... 2 Daniel Wise b: Abt. 1765 ....... 2 Abraham Wise b: Abt. 1766 ....... 2 Mary Wise b: Abt. 1766 ....... 2 Mariam Wise b: Abt. 1767 ....... 2 Ulion Wise b: Abt. 1768 ....... 2 Judith Wise b: Abt. 1770 in MD or PA d: May 31, 1821 in PA ........... +John Jacob Spohn b: 1775 in Maryland d: Oct 5, 1857 in Marion Co, OH ................ 3 Catherine Spohn ................ 3 Elizabeth Spohn ................ 3 Solomon A.W. Spohn ................ 3 Mary Spohn b: 1799 ................ 3 John W. Spohn b: 1800 ................ 3 David Spohn b: 1801 ................ 3 Adam Spohn b: 1802 ................ 3 Rachel Spohn b: Apr 2, 1807 in Wahington Co, Pa .................... +Matthias Tombaugh b: Dec 26, 1792 in PA d: May 21, 1864 ................ 3 John J. Spohn b: Aug 11, 1809 ................ 3 Hannah Spohn b: 1818 ................ 3 Judith Spohn b: May 21, 1821 ....... 2 Tobias Wise b: Oct 21, 1777 in Washington Co, PA d: May 11, 1856 in Ohio Co, KY ........... +Mary Grigsby b: 1779 ................ 3 Rachel Wise b: 1796 ................ 3 Elizabeth "Catherine"Wise b: 1797 ................ 3 Delilah Frances Wise b: 1801 .................... +Richard McMahan Taylor b: 1798 ................ 3 Levi L. Wise b: 1804 in Ohio Co, KY .................... +Milly Fulkerson ................ *2nd Wife of Levi L. Wise: .................... +Elizabeth Smith ................ 3 William Bradford Wise b: 1805 ................ 3 James Wise b: 1808 ................ 3 Mary Wise b: 1812 ................ 3 Mille/Martha Wise b: 1815 ................ 3 Daniel Wise b: 1817 ................ 3 Nathaniel Grigsby Wise b: 1819 ................ 3 Henry P. Wise b: 1821 ................ 3 Phillip Wise b: 1825 -----Original Message----- From: Bob Harter Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 5:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers two questions: Do you know who this mentioned Adam Miller would have been? Jacob Petry Jr. married Magdelena Miller, whose father was an Adam Miller. So far I have been able to find any information on him. Do you find any Harters in the non-enroller list? Three brothers (without looking it up I believe it was Christian, Adam, and Frantz) were brought before the court for not enrolling and pleaded innocence - Adam married Anthony Hardman's daughter and moved to Washington Co. PA with or after the Hardman family. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: "'Art Miller'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers > Art: > > I have a copy of the 1776 non-enrollers list for Washington County, MD, > that > lists "Dunkars & Menonist" fines. The list includes Abraham Miller, David > Miller, and David Miller son of Philip. It goes onto list an appraisal of > guns (what ever that means) in 1777 and includes a Henry Miller. > > Point being there were several Miller's in Washington County, some of who > were Dunkers or Mennonites, a name common to both denominations. > > If you move to the 1776 non-enroller list for Frederick County, MD, which > includes Anthony Hardman and Nicholas Leatherman (I believe Daniel's > brother), you have even more Millers. You have Jacob Miller, Jacob Miller > s/o Adam, Abraham Miller, Peter Miller, Stephen Miller, Solomon Miller, > Robert Miller, Henry Miller, Philip Miller, David Miller and Daniel > Miller, > all fined, and implying a Dunker/Mennonite/Quaker religious affiliation. > So > you have a lot of potential Millers your ancestor could be affiliated > with. > > In case you are not familiar with the non-enroller listing, these are > people > who refused to show up for militia musters. They may have done this for > religious reasons or they were loyalists. > > Having Amish Miller's in my family, it becomes quite challenging trying > separate one Miller from another. > > Bill Thomas > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message