Merle, if truth be told, the Götz/Gates family was indeed minor in Brethren history. It's just that the four sons of Jost Götz married into the somewhat historically important Brethren Graff/Grove/Groves family. Michael Gates and his wife Catherine Groves lived on Sugar Creek next door to Elder John Dick in Auburn Township, Sangamon County, Illinois. They died in the 1840s and were buried on the banks of Sugar Creek on John Dick's farm, where most of the early Sugar Creek Brethren were buried. Their daughter, Elizabeth Gates Gibson, was the only child of theirs who was not buried on John Dick's farm. She followed her husband, Isham Gibson, to Bates County, Missouri, and was buried next to him in 1879. Dwayne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Merle C Rummel Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] "Somewhere between 1820 and 1826 there was cut off about 1, 500 Brethren and sisters in Kentucky" > I have to take some exception to your description of the Gates family as a > "minor" family. First, the name was Götz. Second, Michael Götz and two of > his brothers married three of the Grove/Graff sisters from the New River, > NC, Brethren congregation in Wilkes/Ashe County. (Henry Shutt married the > fourth Grove/Graff sister.) Third, the patriarch of the Grove family in > Wilkes County, Jacob Grove/Graff, was Brethren all the way back to Lancaster > County, Pennsylvania. Fourth, his father is thought to have been the Jacob > Graff (1699-1776) of the Ephrata Cloister. Fifth, and finally, Elizabeth > "Gates" was just as much a Graff as she was a Götz, but most important she > was my gggrandmother. > > Hard for me to think of one of my ancestors as "minor." :) > Sorry Dwayne I was afraid I was going to get a reaction - when I said it that way. The Gates family was one that I gathered minimal information on, basically because it did not connect up to other families that i was researching. I was aware that if Isham Gibson married into it, that it was a solid Brethren family. It would have been so much easier working on this material - if I had had all the information you have, and Gale Honeyman has, and so many others of you - that did give me information, but that I didn't even know the right questions to ask you. This family was just that it was a minor family in my research.. Merle ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message