If this list continues in this "anti-anything not Christianity" political vein, I will un-subscribe. Remember, these same founding fathers that are so revered 1) allowed slavery and 2) only gave white men the right to vote. Let's get back on subject..................... Diane Wrightsman Tavoian "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." --H. L. Mencken -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Iris Wilde Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? John, If I may, I encourage you to read some of the materials at www.wallbuilders.com and our Ancestors original intents regarding Christianity. It was a minority who has made our country turn away from God. Government was never intended to be totally separated from religion only expression of religion. Everyone was suppose to be free to worship our God in the ways they saw fit. However, what we have due to the minority is much different. I have enjoyed reading the information from David Barton. My Father was drafted in WWI and that's when he left his childhood religion. I believe he always missed the religion but he stayed religious. I learned a lot from him. I always say, "My Dad was 61 years *young* when I was born." He was indeed the youngest "old" man I've ever known. I'm trying to write a historical mixed fictional and bio of my own personal genealogy. What I'm trying to do is to write about the time frame that the particular relative would have lived in by studying this. The account is fictional truth except for the person who is my actual ancestor. This book will NOT be published. It's only for my use only. It's a way I'm learning. If anyone has any books they'd like to recommend that I read regarding the time frames of 1600 onward, I would absolutely love that. I am honored to be a member of the Brethren Heritage Center. I absolutely believe we are the salt of the earth as long as we turn towards the Light that is Christ Jesus. I do believe we are all spiritual cousins and if you trace back far enough we are all a part of each other. Thanks John for your letter. I need to read more about being a "Torie" during the Revolution. I have so much to learn. I have all these names going back to the late 1600s but I have very little idea what their lives would have been like living during those time frames. I believe from the work I have done on my Grandmother Robison I have learned much more about her and in some "odd" way feel closer to her based on what I have discovered about her. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM, john shafer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Iris, you make some good points. We also need to be very careful not to > put too much trust in the country. Historically we learned that we can only > put our trust in God because the country can turn against you at a moment's > notice. (As the Brethren learned firsthand in Europe, and actually in this > country also as they were persecuted for being "Tories" during the > Revolution and again when the government tried to draft them into the army > against their beliefs.) So counting on the country to be "Christian" is a > trap, and against our understanding of the separation of Church and State. > Your point about being "salt of the earth" is excellent. Sorry if I am off > topic. I've enjoyed your emails as you search for your family history. > We're all spiritual cousins. > > John Shafer > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:14:56 -0600 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > > > I am not a member of the Brethren Church but my Father grew up Old German > > Baptist. His paternal side dates back to the 1700s with German Baptist > > membership. I found the answers here very interesting. Lately, I've been > > reading some at the www.wallbuilders.com site about how the minority > have > > shut God out of our country. Facts and statistics are given in relation > to > > the fact our Fore Fathers recognized Christianity as being a part of our > > nation. I would like to encourage everyone who is a Christian to stand > firm. > > Read about what our Fore Fathers had planned for this nation that they > > always believed would be Christian centered. Now, we are becoming the > > "imbeciles". I really hope those who are the "salt of the earth" such as > my > > Father's people will stand firm against the evils that are coming into > our > > world. Once we were as German Baptists as "separatists" and stood for > what > > was right in the world. I believe the German Baptists are the "salt of > the > > earth" together with all who love Christ. When I was a child, I was told > > that Christians might be persecuted in our country. I couldn't believe > that, > > now, however, I must admit I am beginning to wonder. My own heart tells > me > > when we turn against God as a Nation, we are in for a very rocky road. I > am > > proud of our Brethren Heritage and I pray God will bless each Dunkard, > COB > > and every Christian. In my own life, I often realized things to late and > > made more than my share of mistakes. I hope more will turn towards the > light > > in our world and fight the good fight while we are here. Thank you for > > allowing me to share my thoughts, Iris, Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:26 AM, J.A. Florian <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) > > > > > > We all know churches today go through declines. Sometimes they > revitalize > > > and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church closes. > > > > > > I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the > past. > > > I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and > later > > > was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to > attend. > > > > > > I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the 1940s, > but > > > re-opened later. > > > > > > I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their > churches. > > > How did they attract members? And retain members. > > > > > > With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world > > > changes, > > > how do Brethren keep their churches going today? > > > > > > I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally ask. > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > > ------------------------ > > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto: > [email protected] > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! 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My apologies. Regarding #1 and #2 I only suggest that you read the actual documents that our Founding Fathers wrote. Let's get back on subject please. Thank you for helping us stay focused. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Diane <[email protected]> wrote: > If this list continues in this "anti-anything not Christianity" political > vein, I will un-subscribe. > > Remember, these same founding fathers that are so revered 1) allowed > slavery > and 2) only gave white men the right to vote. > > Let's get back on subject..................... > > Diane Wrightsman Tavoian > > > > "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and > hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series > of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." > --H. L. Mencken > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Iris Wilde > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:57 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > John, > If I may, I encourage you to read some of the materials at > www.wallbuilders.com and our Ancestors original intents regarding > Christianity. It was a minority who has made our country turn away from > God. > Government was never intended to be totally separated from religion only > expression of religion. Everyone was suppose to be free to worship our God > in the ways they saw fit. However, what we have due to the minority is much > different. I have enjoyed reading the information from David Barton. My > Father was drafted in WWI and that's when he left his childhood religion. I > believe he always missed the religion but he stayed religious. I learned a > lot from him. I always say, "My Dad was 61 years *young* when I was born." > He was indeed the youngest "old" man I've ever known. > I'm trying to write a historical mixed fictional and bio of > my own personal genealogy. What I'm trying to do is to write about the time > frame that the particular relative would have lived in by studying this. > The account is fictional truth except for the person who is my actual > ancestor. This book will NOT be published. It's only for my use only. It's > a > way I'm learning. If anyone has any books they'd like to recommend that I > read regarding the time frames of 1600 onward, I would absolutely love > that. > I am honored to be a member of the Brethren Heritage Center. I absolutely > believe we are the salt of the earth as long as we turn towards the Light > that is Christ Jesus. I do believe we are all spiritual cousins and if you > trace back far enough we are all a part of each other. Thanks John for your > letter. I need to read more about being a "Torie" during the Revolution. I > have so much to learn. I have all these names going back to the late 1600s > but I have very little idea what their lives would have been like living > during those time frames. I believe from the work I have done on my > Grandmother Robison I have learned much more about her and in some "odd" > way > feel closer to her based on what I have discovered about her. My Best, Iris > Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM, john shafer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Iris, you make some good points. We also need to be very careful not to > > put too much trust in the country. Historically we learned that we can > only > > put our trust in God because the country can turn against you at a > moment's > > notice. (As the Brethren learned firsthand in Europe, and actually in > this > > country also as they were persecuted for being "Tories" during the > > Revolution and again when the government tried to draft them into the > army > > against their beliefs.) So counting on the country to be "Christian" is a > > trap, and against our understanding of the separation of Church and > State. > > Your point about being "salt of the earth" is excellent. Sorry if I am > off > > topic. I've enjoyed your emails as you search for your family history. > > We're all spiritual cousins. > > > > John Shafer > > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:14:56 -0600 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > > > > > I am not a member of the Brethren Church but my Father grew up Old > German > > > Baptist. His paternal side dates back to the 1700s with German Baptist > > > membership. I found the answers here very interesting. Lately, I've > been > > > reading some at the www.wallbuilders.com site about how the minority > > have > > > shut God out of our country. Facts and statistics are given in relation > > to > > > the fact our Fore Fathers recognized Christianity as being a part of > our > > > nation. I would like to encourage everyone who is a Christian to stand > > firm. > > > Read about what our Fore Fathers had planned for this nation that they > > > always believed would be Christian centered. Now, we are becoming the > > > "imbeciles". I really hope those who are the "salt of the earth" such > as > > my > > > Father's people will stand firm against the evils that are coming into > > our > > > world. Once we were as German Baptists as "separatists" and stood for > > what > > > was right in the world. I believe the German Baptists are the "salt of > > the > > > earth" together with all who love Christ. When I was a child, I was > told > > > that Christians might be persecuted in our country. I couldn't believe > > that, > > > now, however, I must admit I am beginning to wonder. My own heart tells > > me > > > when we turn against God as a Nation, we are in for a very rocky road. > I > > am > > > proud of our Brethren Heritage and I pray God will bless each Dunkard, > > COB > > > and every Christian. In my own life, I often realized things to late > and > > > made more than my share of mistakes. I hope more will turn towards the > > light > > > in our world and fight the good fight while we are here. Thank you for > > > allowing me to share my thoughts, Iris, Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:26 AM, J.A. Florian <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) > > > > > > > > We all know churches today go through declines. Sometimes they > > revitalize > > > > and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church > closes. > > > > > > > > I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the > > past. > > > > I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and > > later > > > > was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to > > attend. > > > > > > > > I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the > 1940s, > > but > > > > re-opened later. > > > > > > > > I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their > > churches. > > > > How did they attract members? And retain members. > > > > > > > > With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world > > > > changes, > > > > how do Brethren keep their churches going today? > > > > > > > > I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally > ask. > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > Search the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > > > ------------------------ > > > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto: > > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have > given > > so > > > much to us. > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > > ------------------------ > > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto: > [email protected] > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given > so > much to us. > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given so much to us.