The congregation still exists. Check the Brethren Yearbook or the online diectory at brethren.org for contact information.  Craig Alan Myers -------- Original message -------- From: Beverly Robinson <bez4@aol.com> Date: 10/22/2013 10:48 PM (GMT-05:00) To: BRETHREN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Salem, Monongalia Co, VA now Preston WV Please help me! I know that I read there was a Brethren congregation early on in Salem near Brandonville.  I descend from many elders including Jacob Ridenour, Jacob and Jeremiah Beeghly, David Merrill. I recall that Jacob Thomas was in Salem area, too. Where might I have read abt this early congregation of German Baptists? Thank you very much. Beverly Railey Robinson Sent from my iPad                                ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN                                ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please help me! I know that I read there was a Brethren congregation early on in Salem near Brandonville. I descend from many elders including Jacob Ridenour, Jacob and Jeremiah Beeghly, David Merrill. I recall that Jacob Thomas was in Salem area, too. Where might I have read abt this early congregation of German Baptists? Thank you very much. Beverly Railey Robinson Sent from my iPad

Ohio, Births and Christenings Index, 1800-1962 about Overholser Name:Overholser Gender:Male Race:White Birth Place:Wabash, Darke, Ohio Birth Date:2 Nov 1890 Father's Name:Benjamin M. Overholser Mother's Name:Amada P. Gephart FHL Film Number:1030768 On Monday, October 21, 2013 10:52 PM, "ghoneyman@woh.rr.com" <ghoneyman@woh.rr.com> wrote: Patrick, I suspect there is an error in naming her mother. I find a Benjamin Overholser 26 Mar 1858-6 Sep 1893 buried in Oakland Cemetery. Buried next to him is Amanda P. Lyme 1863-1933, from her death certificate 10 Aug 1853 Montgomery Co OH-6 Sep 1933 Greenville OH d/o Eli Gephart [sic] & Lucinda Weaver, wife of Daniel Lyme. Darke Co OH marriages Daniel Lime [sic] & Amanda P. Overholser on 14 Oct 1894. Daniel’s first wife was Amanda’s sister Sarah. Step daughters named in the 1900 census of Richland Twp, Darke Co are Josephine E. age 18 and Berthy L. Overholser age 12 both b OH. There is no marker for Bertha and her unknown brother, nor do I find a marriage for Josephine prior to 1911 in Darke County. Gebhart Gephart and Related Families 1609-1996 by Julia Shupert Hagwood, p 184: Elias Gebhart & Lucinda Weaver’s daughter Amanda Pearl wed 18 Dec 1881 Benjamin M. Overholser. No data on him nor are children listed. The marriage occurred in Darke County. The only Benjamin Overholser born in the late 1850’s found in Darke County is the son of Tobias & Rebecca. Gale ---- Patrick McGarry <hawkwind275@yahoo.com> wrote: > Does anybody know if this is Benjamin (1859-?), son of Tobias Overholser (1830-1927) and Rebecca Miller (1832-1880(Ihave her obit from the Brethren Archives)?  The only Benjaimin Overholser (18101-1886) married my g+aunt Mary Malinda Kreider (1810-1879) that are Tobias's parents http://archive.org/stream/gospelmessenger138152mill/gospelmessenger138152mill_djvu.txt RHOLTZER.— In the Oakland congre- gation, Darke Co,, Ohio, July 9, igoo. Bertha Lucinda Overholtzer, aged 12 years, 1 month and 1 day. She was a daughter of Benjamin and Malinda Overholtzer. Her father and a brother preceded her, She leaves a mother, a stepfather and a sister. Services in the Oak- land church by Mr. Henry Hoeffer, of the Christian church, assisted by Eld, Tobias Krei- der. Levi Minnich.

Patrick, I suspect there is an error in naming her mother. I find a Benjamin Overholser 26 Mar 1858-6 Sep 1893 buried in Oakland Cemetery. Buried next to him is Amanda P. Lyme 1863-1933, from her death certificate 10 Aug 1853 Montgomery Co OH-6 Sep 1933 Greenville OH d/o Eli Gephart [sic] & Lucinda Weaver, wife of Daniel Lyme. Darke Co OH marriages Daniel Lime [sic] & Amanda P. Overholser on 14 Oct 1894. Daniel’s first wife was Amanda’s sister Sarah. Step daughters named in the 1900 census of Richland Twp, Darke Co are Josephine E. age 18 and Berthy L. Overholser age 12 both b OH. There is no marker for Bertha and her unknown brother, nor do I find a marriage for Josephine prior to 1911 in Darke County. Gebhart Gephart and Related Families 1609-1996 by Julia Shupert Hagwood, p 184: Elias Gebhart & Lucinda Weaver’s daughter Amanda Pearl wed 18 Dec 1881 Benjamin M. Overholser. No data on him nor are children listed. The marriage occurred in Darke County. The only Benjamin Overholser born in the late 1850’s found in Darke County is the son of Tobias & Rebecca. Gale ---- Patrick McGarry <hawkwind275@yahoo.com> wrote: > Does anybody know if this is Benjamin (1859-?), son of Tobias Overholser (1830-1927) and Rebecca Miller (1832-1880(Ihave her obit from the Brethren Archives)?  The only Benjaimin Overholser (18101-1886) married my g+aunt Mary Malinda Kreider (1810-1879) that are Tobias's parents http://archive.org/stream/gospelmessenger138152mill/gospelmessenger138152mill_djvu.txt RHOLTZER.— In the Oakland congre- gation, Darke Co,, Ohio, July 9, igoo. Bertha Lucinda Overholtzer, aged 12 years, 1 month and 1 day. She was a daughter of Benjamin and Malinda Overholtzer. Her father and a brother preceded her, She leaves a mother, a stepfather and a sister. Services in the Oak- land church by Mr. Henry Hoeffer, of the Christian church, assisted by Eld, Tobias Krei- der. Levi Minnich.

Does anybody know if this is Benjamin (1859-?), son of Tobias Overholser (1830-1927) and Rebecca Miller (1832-1880(Ihave her obit from the Brethren Archives)?  The only Benjaimin Overholser (18101-1886) married my g+aunt Mary Malinda Kreider (1810-1879) that are Tobias's parents http://archive.org/stream/gospelmessenger138152mill/gospelmessenger138152mill_djvu.txt RHOLTZER.— In the Oakland congre- gation, Darke Co,, Ohio, July 9, igoo. Bertha Lucinda Overholtzer, aged 12 years, 1 month and 1 day. She was a daughter of Benjamin and Malinda Overholtzer. Her father and a brother preceded her, She leaves a mother, a stepfather and a sister. Services in the Oak- land church by Mr. Henry Hoeffer, of the Christian church, assisted by Eld, Tobias Krei- der. Levi Minnich.

I still have the copy Elma gave me - ask ahead Merle C Rummel ---------------------------------------- Does anyone have a copy of the book 'The Ulrich Rinehart Family and Descendants 1704-1985' by Elma A Henning? If so, I would like to ask a question.

Does anyone have a copy of the book 'The Ulrich Rinehart Family and Descendants 1704-1985' by Elma A Henning? If so, I would like to ask a question. thanks, Debbie

On Friday, October 11, 2013 8:54 PM, Jane Torres <janey120pleas@hotmail.com> wrote: Good Evening List, Karen's copies of the Adam Minnich Bible are now mounted on DCOWeb at http://www.dcoweb.org/bible/MinnichAdamBible.htm . You can also download slightly smaller scans from there.  Right click on the larger version of the picture and choose "Save As". These old Bibles are certainly a treasure... Take Care, --Jane -----Original Message----- From: K. Poplar [mailto:kpgenea@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:11 PM To: DCO List Subject: [DCO] Adam Minnich 1835 - 1902 Family Bible Minnich Researchers: I was blessed to receive copies of pertinent pages from Adam Minnich's Personal Bible, copyright 1868.  This Bible has been in the custody of the Descendants of Cora [Minnich] Rudy, a daughter of Adam Minnich and Lydia Gauby, since Adam's death.  The Bible contains several loose pages of family births and deaths, authors unknown.  Based on pencil notations, author also unknown, I believe one group of sheets was was written by one  of Cora Rudy's children, and the other by one of Cora's grandchildren.  This is a personal assumption. The custodian of the Adam Minnich Bible has given permission for the Bible scans to be made available to Minnich researchers.  I will be filing copies of the Bible with the Garst Museum and the Troy Historical Museum, as well as several libraries in the Darke and Miami County areas.  I will be sending a copy to the Ohio Genealogical Society Library.  I have asked another of my research partners to share the scans with FamilySearch.org, and have posted copies to my personal tree on Ancestry.com. If you are interested in copies, please forward your direct email, and I will send the scans to you.  Does anyone know if the Darke and Miami County websites or newsletters are interested in copies? Karen Williams

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My very Brethren 2GGF Samuel FLORY [a founding member of Mill Creek German Baptist Brethren Church, Rockingham Co, VA] and several of his married sons including my GGPs Noah FLORY & Sophia SHOWALTER had the misfortune of being at the center of penultimate battle of Stonewall Jackson's 1862 Shenandoah campaign: Cross Keys, 8 Jun 1862. They lived on Mill Creek (current address is Battlefield Road), and the Confederate artillery was massed (current address Artillery Road) just South on the ridge above Mill Creek firing over the Flory home. Given the massed Confederate artillery, Union troops swept mostly east (via the Widow PENCE's [my first cousin three times removed] farm and west of the Flory home, but Union troops attacking the center took refuge in the FLORY house. Being good Brethren, the dress my GGM has been married in the previous year was torn up for bandages.My GGUncle Daniel FLORY was compensated after the war for goods confiscated by the Union Army, but my GGF Noah's claim was denied since he had received compensation from the Confederacy for goods that they had confiscated. It did not matter that Noah had not offered supplies to the Confederacy; if the Confederacy confiscated goods and left payment that was sufficient to deny a post-War claim for goods taken by the Union. Thom Flory -----Original Message----- From: Bill Thomas <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> To: cliff <cliff@nwwnet.net>; brethren <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2013 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] Gettysburg...Rummel Farm battle ...Not many people have a historical battle on their ancestors farm! All my Thomas ancestor has of note on his farm is a transmission line!Bill Thomas

The book I read (by Allen Guelzo) refers to the engagement at the John Rummel Farm. However he questions the real purpose of Stuart being there, since cavalry attacking infantry went against the tactics used at the time. His men also had just arrived in Gettysburg the afternoon before and were exhausted, having had smaller engagement in nearby Hunterstown just before they arrived in Gettysburg. He gives Stuart only 4,800 men and another Confederate brigade to support him had an additional 1,100 men, not near enough to attack the fixed infantry and artillery positions of the main Union line of defense. He also gives the time of the cavalry engagement was between 12:30 and 1:30 pm. The cannonade that preceded Pickett's charge began at 1:00 pm, a half-hour after the cavalry engagement began. Pickets charge was about 2:00 pm, and thus a half-hour after the end of the cavalry engagement. The casualties in the engagement were minimal compared with other Gettysburg engagements. Most of the casualties were Custer's men. The engagement itself had no impact in the overall battle and was a draw. ************* You raise some questions that I will need to check - I based my information on a visit to the Rummel Farm, owned by one of the main guides for the Battlefield. He showed me around, and invited me inside his house to show me his information, including that Spencer Rifle (it was in beautiful condition - and it was HEAVY). (I was a Rummel - and an historian - I had led a few tours to Gettysburg myself, so I did have knowledge about what happened there - he went into detail about the battle, especially there, that third day.) (I had pastored at the Beaver Dam Church - near Frederick MD - lived at New Windsor - a little more than 20 miles away from Gettysburg - and worked at the Brethren Service Center - and had visited the Gettysburg Battlefield. I was searching for the George Rummel Farm [bought in 1780] - which was not found till he gave me information on this particular visit. - it is located about a half mile southeast of the Cavalry Field, which was owned by George's grandson, John Rummel. The George Rummel Farm is about the location of George Custer's Cavalry as the battle started.) His main statement was that the historians of Gettysburg were just beginning to find the importance of the battle there at Rummel's Farm. That General Lee was not stupid, that Stuart was ordered to attack the back of the Union Lines in conjunction with Pickett hitting the front. He was well aware that Pickett's men faced severe danger, but that Stuart was to attack the back of the line taking much attention away from Pickett. He said that the actual orders by Lee had recently (then) been found, and battle historians were beginning to revise their opinion of the battle at the East Cavalry Field. I do not know if Lee knew it, but Meade's headquarters were just about where Stuart was to hit. Lee was moving north, intending to go east to hit York PA - to distract the north from fighting in Virginia. He was at Chambersburg, the start of the conflict at Gettysburg pulled him down. General Forbes old road went more directly from Chambersburg to York, although the Great Wagon Road, included Gettysburg, with a branch to Chambesburg. Rumors of a trainload of shoes at Gettysburg (a manufacturing place for such, with resulting horse farms around) - and the many Confederate soldiers who were marching barefooted - led one group, ending with 2 corps, down that way, where they had run into a unit of the Union Army, which was then re-enforced from the Union Battle Line down in northern Maryland (from Thurmont to Manchester - Brethren Churches being prominent at both areas). Yes, after the crossing at Harpers Ferry, Stuart had been sent off to observe the Union Army which was moving north in parallel to Lee, on the other side of the Blue Ridge Mountains (keeping between Lee and Washington DC). Stuart was obstructed, and ended up circling the Union Army, which meant he was not with Lee at Chambersburg. He had several minor engagements with units of the Union Army, including the one at Hunterstown. He arrived at Gettysburg around noon on the second day, and was not engaged - his 3 brigades of cavalry had rested somewhat by the next morning. But the Battle had not gone according to plans. The first day drew both armies to Gettysburg. Planned morning Confederate attacks on the second day, took far too long to achieve. Longstreet delayed for the arrival of one of his brigades (most of the day) to make the move on the the Emmittsburg Road (the Peach Orchard and Little Round Top), with the Union Army taking position there against him. An intended simultaneous late morning attack on Culp's Hill was to divide the Union Army efforts - but instead Culp's Hill was later even than Longstreet's attack (and engagements there continued into the next day). Stuart's attack from the East on the 3rd Day was a similar effort to divide the Union effort with Pickett coming from the West with a major force (12,000 men). Just as the day before, the battle did not occur as planned, due to Rummel's Farm. JEB Stuart came out on Cress Ridge earlier than expected (11 AM), immediately north of the Rummel Farm. He so signalled Lee, with the four cannon shots. These alerted Union generals, Gregg and Custer, who then ignored their orders to return to the battle at Cemetery Ridge. I had been told that Stuart had 8000 men - he had 3 brigades of cavalry - you say they were considerably less. The actual battle was very short in length - less than an hour, and total casualties were not heavy - maybe three hundred men or slightly more, there were two major clashes of horse cavalry - with direct collisions of horses. Stuart was stopped from his goal, and it resulted in Pickett's Charge being nearly annihilated. Lee was unaware of the engagement at Rummel's Farm, and had proceeded with the original plans of Pickett's Charge. Lee withdrew to Virginia the next day, the Union Army was not able to pursue them (which caused Meade to receive considerable attacks in Washington). One of my favorite fictions, If the South had won Gettysburg, is based on Longstreet moving as ordered and occupying Little Round Top, on the Second Day - thus rolling up the Union Lines on Cemetery Ridge from the south - resulting in Lee marching east and south, taking surrender of Philadelphia and truculent Baltimore, then on to Washington DC - 1863. Merle C Rummel

Merle: The book I read (by Allen Guelzo) refers to the engagement at the John Rummel Farm. However he questions the real purpose of Stuart being there, since cavalry attacking infantry went against the tactics used at the time. His men also had just arrived in Gettysburg the afternoon before and were exhausted, having had smaller engagement in nearby Hunterstown just before they arrived in Gettysburg. He gives Stuart only 4,800 men and another Confederate brigade to support him had an additional 1,100 men, not near enough to attack the fixed infantry and artillery positions of the main Union line of defense. He also gives the time of the cavalry engagement was between 12:30 and 1:30 pm. The cannonade that preceded Pickett's charge began at 1:00 pm, a half-hour after the cavalry engagement began. Pickets charge was about 2:00 pm, and thus a half-hour after the end of the cavalry engagement. The casualties in the engagement were minimal compared with other Gettysburg engagements. Most of the casualties were Custer's men. The engagement itself had no impact in the overall battle and was a draw. Interesting stories none the less. Not many people have a historical battle on their ancestors farm! All my Thomas ancestor has of note on his farm is a transmission line! Bill Thomas

************************************************************** In reading about "Gettysburg Brethren Trivia" brought to mind the church namely, Marsh Creek Independent Brethren Church. The outside view of this old church is just beautiful! Several years back, my husband and I sat in this church for worship services. We viewed the old cookers and the old cooking stove made of brick, (in the basement) which were used in their day of preparation for their Lovefeast services. There is an upstairs in this church that was used for sleeping quarters and we were told that the Marsh Creek Church used the entire area, where the sanctuary is now, as a first aid station during the Battle of Gettysburg. They set up cots in rows to care for those who were injured. This church has a lot of history. If anyone gets in that area, it would be worth a trip to stop on a Sunday morning. The services start at 9:30am. They sing from a song book and there are no musical instuments in their worship services. >From the Gettysburg Square in Gettysburg, PA, go west on Rt 30 about 3 miles. Turn left on Knoxlyn Rd. Then about 1 mile, turn left on Black Horse Tavern Road at the creek. The church is on the left. The Brethren Ency. pg. 546-547 speaks of Marsh Creek Independent Brethren Church ************* I lived near there - and didn't even know about it (well, I didn't really know my family history then) - At Antietam, too, the battle centered around the Brethren Church - is said - you could have walked a quarter mile from the church, any direction, just stepping on bodies, and the Brethren families opened their homes as first aid for the injured - there are still stains on the floors. For Gettysburg, from what I vaguely remember, General Meade set up his defense line to protect Washington, from the Brethren Church at Thurmont - to the Brethren Church near Manchester - and only got pulled north to Gettysburg when the battle started there. We almost had a repeat of Antietam. At the time of the 100th Anniversary Re-enactment (1963), I was pastoring the Beaver Dam Church (New Side - Church of the Brethren) - I lived at New Windsor MD. I started to go - Gettysburg was 20 some miles away - I got just a few miles from town, and the road was parked both sides (and this was "back roads", NOT the Highways!) - the farther I went, the more cars there were - I went back home - no way was I going to buck THAT CROWD - even for the Centenial - I don't know how those folks got to the battlefield. Merle ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

quoted by Merle R............. > Most on this list are familiar with the Dunker Church that was in the > middle of the Civil War Battle of Antietam, in 1862. What I didn't > realize until recently reading a book on Gettysburg, that there were > Brethren connections to that battle as well. 1.. Those familiar with > the Battle of Gettysburg are familiar with the bloody confrontation at the > Peach Orchard. What I didn't realize was who owned the Peach Orchard. It > was Joseph Sherfy, a deacon in the Marsh Creek Church of the Brethren. > Sherfy is also a name found in Roger Sappington's book 'Brethren in the > New Nation'. ************************************************************** In reading about "Gettysburg Brethren Trivia" brought to mind the church namely, Marsh Creek Independent Brethren Church. The outside view of this old church is just beautiful! Several years back, my husband and I sat in this church for worship services. We viewed the old cookers and the old cooking stove made of brick, (in the basement) which were used in their day of preparation for their Lovefeast services. There is an upstairs in this church that was used for sleeping quarters and we were told that the Marsh Creek Church used the entire area, where the sanctuary is now, as a first aid station during the Battle of Gettysburg. They set up cots in rows to care for those who were injured. This church has a lot of history. If anyone gets in that area, it would be worth a trip to stop on a Sunday morning. The services start at 9:30am. They sing from a song book and there are no musical instuments in their worship services. >From the Gettysburg Square in Gettysburg, PA, go west on Rt 30 about 3 miles. Turn left on Knoxlyn Rd. Then about 1 mile, turn left on Black Horse Tavern Road at the creek. The church is on the left. The Brethren Ency. pg. 546-547 speaks of Marsh Creek Independent Brethren Church

I noted with interest " The Rummel family became Brethren at Nappanee IN - after Isaiah Rummel came home from the war". My Great-Grandparents Lewis Henry REHERD & Margaret Elizabeth "Maggie" SHAVER REHERD also became Brethren after the Civil War. I've often wondered if Pacifist churches picked up a number of Veterans who had seen too much war. **Does anyone have any information relating to Veterans joining Pacifist Churchs?** My GGF Lewis was baptized at Friedens German Reformed Church, Rockingham Co, VA in 1829 (record in German) and Maggie was baptized in the same church in 1839 (record in English). Lewis was 32 years old and had never been married when the war started, and he enlisted in Company B, 10th VA Infantry [Rockingham Rifles]. By the end of 1861 he is listed as the Company blacksmith, by 1862 he is the Regimental blacksmith, and in 1863 he was the Stonewall Brigade blacksmith, yet never was promoted above private. Lewis went to Gettysburg, and apparently left the night of 3 July as a mechanic/blacksmith heading South with the wagon train of supplies and wounded. The wagon train had arrived at the flooding Potomac River at Williamsport, MD by the morning of 6 July, where it was attacked by Union Calvary in The Battle of the Wagoneers [simultaneously there was a battle a few miles away in Hagerstown]. During the Battle of the Wagoneers Lewis was shot through the eye and the ball lodged on the inside of his temple. The Confederate Army finally managed to cross the flooding Potomac on the night of 13-14 July. The ball was surgically removed from Lewis' head probably 15 July probably at Winchester, VA. Lewis appears on Confederate Muster Rolls as home on Medical Leave through October 1864, and presumably stayed there for the duration of the War. [By Oct 1864 the siege of Richmond is tightening, and keeping track of Lewis was probably not high on the list for the Confederate War Department] Lewis and Maggie married in 1866 and they settled near Dry River in Rockingham Co, VA where they are buried at Beaver Creek Church of the Brethren. My grandmother was born in 1867, and two more girls were born before Lewis died suddenly in 1876, probably of stroke or heart attack. Maggie remarried in 1888 after having a Pre-Nuptial agreement filed in the Deeds Room of the Rockingham Courthouse; Maggie received $500 and the right to keep all her property, and her new husband got to keep his property (they both had children from their respective first marriages). Both partners of this second marriage were buried with their first spouses. Thom Flory ********** My Isaiah Rummel (great grandfather) married Mariah Strycker, of the Solomon Stump families at the Union Center Church of the Brethren, Nappanee IN. My father said that each of his grandparents (4) went a different direction of church. Isaiah went to a Mennonite Church. His wife went to the Brethren, and took all the children with her. (my grandpa married the Pretty Girl across the road! - Skinner family, from North Baltimore and Van Buren OH, north of Findley - I'm not sure where they went to church) Isaiah lived about a mile from Christopher Strycker, Mariah's father. - from CR7 (where Christopher lived), north, around the corner on CR48 (homestead farm) - NE of Nappanee - I really expect that it was just - "the Pretty Girl living down around the corner!" Merle C Rummel

The vast majority of bullets and artillery shells never hit their intended target. You typically couldn't even see what your were shooting at due to the smoke from the back powder, one can assume the original meaning of the term 'fog of war'. ********** I have a number of stories - Normal 0 MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 more stories - JEB Stuart circled the town and came out of the woods on a hill NW of the farm. He signalled Lee by firing cannon in each of the four compass directions (Lee stopped the cannonade on the Union Lines, and ordered Pickett's Charge). Custer had been ordered back to the battle, and had gathered his troop. On hearing the cannon beyond him, he refused the order and had his troop stand to ground (as I understand, the Union Army did not fight from horseback). They were then nearer Hoffman Road, north of the Hanover Road (possibly the Spangler farm there), possibly advanced toward the Cavalry (Rummel Farm). The 7 shot Spencers with 2000 men (the Spencer used reloading tubes through the stock - the soldier carried a bag with some 8-12 extra preloaded tubes) way outgunned the single shot muzzle loaders of the Confederacy - On the defeat of Pickett - Lee is recorded as saying: "Usn's 'Invincibles' weren't invincible." (speaking of Stuart). A book at Manchester College "Between the Lines" (dated 1868 by one of the Union combatants - lost my reference data - book is o longer there) - stated: "The prosperous Pennsylvanian Farmer, Rummel - " It proceeded to tell a tale of the little Rummel girl, who, as the family ran for the basement of the house, carried her kitten. In the excitement, the kitten escaped her, and she ran to catch it. Supposedly both armies stopped fighting, rescued the little girl and her kitten to the house basement, before returning to their lines and resuming the battle. This story (without names or location) was in elementary readers in the early 20th Century - my Father said he had read it, and was surprised to find that it was kin.. Available facts seem to deny this story. As a story, it may have occurred somewhere, but not at Rummel's Farm, at Gettysburg. There was no basement in the original frame Rummel house of the battle (the present brick house - south across a drive from the original - was built in 1870, following the battle, possibly due to the cannon damage to the old house). John Rummel had no known "little daughter" - he is recorded as having two sons and no daughters. Records indicate that he had removed his family from the farm before the Confederates arrived. He then returned, was caught, and held captive by the Confederates in the woods behind the barn during the battle. He was released as they withdrew, but they took his horse with them. John claimed a loss of $219.95 for the horse, but was denied, since it was not lost due to Union action. The barn at the farm still has a cannonball lodged in one of the beams. The siding was so damaged by gunfire, that it had to be replaced. The house was damaged by an exploding cannonball, and is replaced by the present house, built across the drive from the site of the original house. I should have added - the cousin who was injured at Harper's Ferry, who wrote the note to Jenny Wade - he died of his injuries. The note was found in the vest pocket of the cousin killed on Culp's Hill (both cousins were Culps). There were other daughter (of George Rummel) marriages at Gettysburg, the two I'm having the most problems with are those of Catherine and Elizabeth who married Conrad and John Lower (or Lauer) - both living Adams Co PA - near Arndstown, at least for a while. (In 1800 Census, a John Lower is in Bedford Co PA.) Susannah Rummel married Henry Ashbaugh, to Westmoreland Co PA, then possibly with others to Columbiana Co or Mahoning Co OH. Mary Rummel married Philip Snell, who died in Westmoreland Co PA, - looks like both of them were Brethren. George Jr and Jacob Rummel went to Somerset Co PA. - with the John and Jacob Rummel going to Rummel PA (Johnstown suburb - sons of William, grsons of Jacob) being the Brethren Rummels of Johnstown. Half of the dozen children went to Ohio, including my Peter and Christian, who lived on adjoining farms on the Ohio side of the Pennsylvania State Line Road - near Youngstown. Merle C Rummel

I noted with interest "The Rummel family became Brethren at Nappanee IN - after Isaiah Rummel came home from the war". My Great-Grandparents Lewis Henry REHERD & Margaret Elizabeth "Maggie" SHAVER REHERD also became Brethren after the Civil War. I've often wondered if Pacifist churches picked up a number of Veterans who had seen too much war. **Does anyone have any information relating to Veterans joining Pacifist Churchs?** My GGF Lewis was baptized at Friedens German Reformed Church, Rockingham Co, VA in 1829 (record in German) and Maggie was baptized in the same church in 1839 (record in English). Lewis was 32 years old and had never been married when the war started, and he enlisted in Company B, 10th VA Infantry [Rockingham Rifles]. By the end of 1861 he is listed as the Company blacksmith, by 1862 he is the Regimental blacksmith, and in 1863 he was the Stonewall Brigade blacksmith, yet never was promoted above private. Lewis went to Gettysburg, and apparently left the night of 3 July as a mechanic/blacksmith heading South with the wagon train of supplies and wounded. The wagon train had arrived at the flooding Potomac River at Williamsport, MD by the morning of 6 July, where it was attacked by Union Calvary in The Battle of the Wagoneers [simultaneously there was a battle a few miles away in Hagerstown]. During the Battle of the Wagoneers Lewis was shot through the eye and the ball lodged on the inside of his temple. The Confederate Army finally managed to cross the flooding Potomac on the night of 13-14 July. The ball was surgically removed from Lewis' head probably 15 July probably at Winchester, VA. Lewis appears on Confederate Muster Rolls as home on Medical Leave through October 1864, and presumably stayed there for the duration of the War. [By Oct 1864 the siege of Richmond is tightening, and keeping track of Lewis was probably not high on the list for the Confederate War Department] Lewis and Maggie married in 1866 and they settled near Dry River in Rockingham Co, VA where they are buried at Beaver Creek Church of the Brethren. My grandmother was born in 1867, and two more girls were born before Lewis died suddenly in 1876, probably of stroke or heart attack. Maggie remarried in 1888 after having a Pre-Nuptial agreement filed in the Deeds Room of the Rockingham Courthouse; Maggie received $500 and the right to keep all her property, and her new husband got to keep his property (they both had children from their respective first marriages). Both partners of this second marriage were buried with their first spouses. Thom Flory -----Original Message----- From: Merle Rummel <cliff@nwwnet.net> To: brethren <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] Gettysburg Brethren Trivia Most on this list are familiar with the Dunker Church that was in the middle of the Civil War Battle of Antietam, in 1862. What I didn't realize until recently reading a book on Gettysburg, that there were Brethren connections to that battle as well. 1.. Those familiar with the Battle of Gettysburg are familiar with the bloody confrontation at the Peach Orchard. What I didn't realize was who owned the Peach Orchard. It was Joseph Sherfy, a deacon in the Marsh Creek Church of the Brethren. Sherfy is also a name found in Roger Sappington's book 'Brethren in the New Nation'. 2.. During Day-1 of the Battle of Gettysburg, Union General Otis Howard, used the widows walk to view the battle, on the store of Henry J. Fahnestock. Henry was a descendent of the Fahnestock families that were members of the Ephrata Community. I thought some might be interested in these factoids. ********** I'll add other addenda - The Rummel family became Brethren at Nappanee IN - after Isaiah Rummel came home from the war (Youngstown OH, then Nappanee) - but Isaiah Rummel's gr grandfather, George Rummel (a child immigrant) owned part or most of the land of the "Cavalry Field" east of Gettysburg - a grandson, John Rummel, owned it at the time of the battle [that was where Brig Gen George Custer and the 7th Michigan Cavalry (2000, with 7 shot Spencer Rifles) stopped JEB Stuart and the Confederate Cavalry (8000 strong) - Stuart was to hit the back of the Union Lines as Pickett hit the front, and without that support, Pickett's Charge went to disaster]. Culps Hill was another grandson (Henry Culp, son of Christian Culp) - with the interesting story there. A couple younger Culp nephews had joined on the Confederate side - one was injured at Harpers Ferry - so he wrote a letter to his fiance - Jenny Wade, and gave it to his cousin - who took it to Gettysburg, and was killed on Cu! lps Hill, before he had a chance to give Jenny Wade the letter. Of course, Jenny Wade was the only civilian killed in Gettysburg. Daniel Culp had a carpentry shop, and was building a coffin for the Confederate Brig General, William Barksdale. When Lee pulled out of Gettysburg, the coffin was used to bury Jenny Wade. Daniel Culp's son, James (17), was killed after the battle, salvaging off the battlefield, a shell exploded in his hands. There are a number of stories - - Isaiah Rummel was in the 139th Ohio Volunteer Infantry - was stationed as a guard (and barberer) at the Point Lookout Prisoner of War Camp, on the Potomac River, below Washington DC. He was a 100 day man. When his brother, Joseph, was killed at the Battle of Atlanta (GA), he came home, then came to his cousins at Nappanee IN - where I was born. Christian Culp, who married Barbara Rummel, was in the Gettysburg Volunteer Fire Department. When I was at the Seminary (Museum) in Gettysburg, they went and got his leather fire bucket, and took a picture of me holding it. One of the Battlefield Guides lives at the Rummel Farm, and he let me hold one of the 7 shot Spencer Rifles, that by serial number was in the battle. I always did wish that my Rummels at Gettysburg were Brethren at Marsh Creek - but so far - no luck - Isaiah married Stump Girl - and we are Brethren - at Nappanee and since. 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Merle: interesting info. I can't recall where I read or saw it, but there were a number of civilians killed after the battle, when scavenging or plowing the fields, from unexploded ammunition. And there was plenty of it out there. The vast majority of bullets and artillery shells never hit their intended target. You typically couldn't even see what your were shooting at due to the smoke from the back powder, one can assume the original meaning of the term 'fog of war'. Bill T.

Hi Merle... as usual, you are a wealth of interesting info! My maternal great grandfather's brother was at Pt Lookout until after the end of the war... He was there involuntarily, I might add, being a Virginian, and all... Blessings to all, Kendal Elmore -----Original Message----- From: Merle Rummel <cliff@nwwnet.net> To: brethren <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] Gettysburg Brethren Trivia Most on this list are familiar with the Dunker Church that was in the middle of the Civil War Battle of Antietam, in 1862. What I didn't realize until recently reading a book on Gettysburg, that there were Brethren connections to that battle as well. 1.. Those familiar with the Battle of Gettysburg are familiar with the bloody confrontation at the Peach Orchard. What I didn't realize was who owned the Peach Orchard. It was Joseph Sherfy, a deacon in the Marsh Creek Church of the Brethren. Sherfy is also a name found in Roger Sappington's book 'Brethren in the New Nation'. 2.. During Day-1 of the Battle of Gettysburg, Union General Otis Howard, used the widows walk to view the battle, on the store of Henry J. Fahnestock. Henry was a descendent of the Fahnestock families that were members of the Ephrata Community. I thought some might be interested in these factoids. ********** I'll add other addenda - The Rummel family became Brethren at Nappanee IN - after Isaiah Rummel came home from the war (Youngstown OH, then Nappanee) - but Isaiah Rummel's gr grandfather, George Rummel (a child immigrant) owned part or most of the land of the "Cavalry Field" east of Gettysburg - a grandson, John Rummel, owned it at the time of the battle [that was where Brig Gen George Custer and the 7th Michigan Cavalry (2000, with 7 shot Spencer Rifles) stopped JEB Stuart and the Confederate Cavalry (8000 strong) - Stuart was to hit the back of the Union Lines as Pickett hit the front, and without that support, Pickett's Charge went to disaster]. Culps Hill was another grandson (Henry Culp, son of Christian Culp) - with the interesting story there. A couple younger Culp nephews had joined on the Confederate side - one was injured at Harpers Ferry - so he wrote a letter to his fiance - Jenny Wade, and gave it to his cousin - who took it to Gettysburg, and was killed on Cu! lps Hill, before he had a chance to give Jenny Wade the letter. Of course, Jenny Wade was the only civilian killed in Gettysburg. Daniel Culp had a carpentry shop, and was building a coffin for the Confederate Brig General, William Barksdale. When Lee pulled out of Gettysburg, the coffin was used to bury Jenny Wade. Daniel Culp's son, James (17), was killed after the battle, salvaging off the battlefield, a shell exploded in his hands. There are a number of stories - - Isaiah Rummel was in the 139th Ohio Volunteer Infantry - was stationed as a guard (and barberer) at the Point Lookout Prisoner of War Camp, on the Potomac River, below Washington DC. He was a 100 day man. When his brother, Joseph, was killed at the Battle of Atlanta (GA), he came home, then came to his cousins at Nappanee IN - where I was born. Christian Culp, who married Barbara Rummel, was in the Gettysburg Volunteer Fire Department. When I was at the Seminary (Museum) in Gettysburg, they went and got his leather fire bucket, and took a picture of me holding it. One of the Battlefield Guides lives at the Rummel Farm, and he let me hold one of the 7 shot Spencer Rifles, that by serial number was in the battle. I always did wish that my Rummels at Gettysburg were Brethren at Marsh Creek - but so far - no luck - Isaiah married Stump Girl - and we are Brethren - at Nappanee and since. Merle C Rummel ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I love history and have been doing genealogy for a lot of years. Stories that goes with genealogy makes it more interesting. I live near Gettysburgh andfeel I'm right there during the battles etc from the stories you posted. Thanks to all who has posted these stories as they are most interesting.