It is not a powerpoint presentation. Just scroll down. I find at my screen resolution the frame is at the bottom. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Wroth" <lmwroth@me.com> To: cliff@nwwnet.net, brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:33:43 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Introduction...ps I started reading and am really going to enjoy this. I have a Mac and the Power Point presentation doesn't show up for me, just a blank page. Is it because I have a Mac? Sent from my iPad Linda Wroth lmwroth@me.com > On Nov 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Merle Rummel <cliff@nwwnet.net> wrote: > > I have plotted and drawn most of the migration routes used by the Brethren > - at my folder: > www.cob-net.org/docs/brethrenlife.htm > > I have a PowerPoint presentation of it - showing routes and maps - the > Power Point - "Brethren Migration Routes" ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I started reading and am really going to enjoy this. I have a Mac and the Power Point presentation doesn't show up for me, just a blank page. Is it because I have a Mac? Sent from my iPad Linda Wroth lmwroth@me.com > On Nov 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Merle Rummel <cliff@nwwnet.net> wrote: > > I have plotted and drawn most of the migration routes used by the Brethren > - at my folder: > www.cob-net.org/docs/brethrenlife.htm > > I have a PowerPoint presentation of it - showing routes and maps - the > Power Point - "Brethren Migration Routes"
Download a copy of the Richard Davis paper titled "1732 Reconstructed Census of Mennonites". He spells the name Krehbiel, and has numerous Krehbiel families listed in their towns of origin in Europe and the township they lived in Lancaster County and York County. You find additional details from Richard Davis in the January 1994 issue of Mennonite Family History, where he lists numerous early Mennonite immigrants to Pennsylvania. Should caution that Davis info has some flaws, but it is still a good source for early Mennonite family information. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: clyde@nafzinger.us Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:32 PM To: Brethren Roots web Subject: [BRE] Christian Grebil of White Oak Can anyone help with information on Christian Grebil born 1718 in Munchweiler Pfalz Germany. I believe he married Maria Landis about 1737 in Manheim Pennsylvania. Possibly the White Oak Church was built on his farm. I had located he and Mariaâs tombstones in a fence row that was the remains of the Landis-Graybill Cemetery north of Leola Pennsylvania. When I visited the cemetery this summer both tombstones had disappeared. Anyone know where they went? Their children were Christian, Shem, John, Jacob, Michael, Abraham, James and Samuel. Clyde Nafzinger ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Judy: It wasn't a book, it was a Word document that is well over 10 years old. I found the authors: Steven R. Garver and Jerry R. Masters. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Judy Meredith Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 5:00 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope (Bill Thomas) Bill, What is the title of the book you mention below about Gerber/Garber genealogy? Thanks, Judy Meredith -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thomas Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:20 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope (Bill Thomas) Kim: I have two sources of info on the Jacob Good/Elizabeth Gerber Family. The first (which lists his children and their spouses) is titled "History and Genealogical Record of the Good and Hileman Families of Pennsylvania and Other States of the Union". Not sure of the publish date, but appears to be about 1912 based on the preamble. It was published by the Altoona Times Company, of Altoona, PA. The book is available for downloading off the net, I believe I found this on Archive.org The second (which lists the wife of Jacob Good) is a Gerber/Garber/Garber genealogy that has numerous footnotes, listing wills, deeds, etc.). I can't seem to find who the author was at this time, but it is very well researched. When you look at the warrant maps for the townships I noted, geography helps confirm the information contained in the 1912 resource. I don't have a copy of Jacob's will (if it exists), which would help confirm this info. But these are my sources. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: KArmstr112@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:56 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope (Bill Thomas) Bill Thomas, Could you tell me more about your research on the Good family from Manheim, PA? I have Anna Good marrying Jacob Huber/Hoover. I have ample documentation on this pairing. Moving into unproven but suspected territory, I have had Anna's parents as Jacob Good & Elizabeth Gerber. If these are not her parents, do you have any idea who might be? Have a good day, Kim Armstrong Send a card and a smile _www.sendoutcards.com/101614_ (http://www.sendoutcards.com/101614) In a message dated 11/11/2013 3:10:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: All of these families are connected to the children of Mennonite Jacob Good and Elizabeth Gerber, a family with notable German Baptist connections. Jacob moved his family from Warwick Township to Frederick County (now Washington County), Maryland about 1767, where he died in 1797 (I had previously researched this Good family). Jacob and Elizabeths?s children were as follows: 1.. Anna Good married Peter Longnecker. Peter was likely the brother (or cousin) of Rev. Christian Longnecker, who led the White Oak Land congregation per Morgan Edwards. 2.. John Good married a Susan ??, and moved to Perry County, OH. His son Jacob may have lived in Somerset County, PA. 3.. Elizabeth Good married Joseph Long. Joseph was German Baptist, and purchased Jacob Good?s property in Frederick County. Joseph?s brother Isaac has historical significance. Isaac?s barn was used in 1767 for a revival led by Philip Otterbein and Martin Boehm, the founders of the United Brethren denomination. 4.. Barbara Good married Peter Witmer, son of immigrant Ulrich Witmer. They lived on a farm near Elizabethtown, in Lancaster County. 5.. Jacob Good married a Mary Bosley, ended up in Cambria County where he died on his farm that overlooks Johnstown, PA, my home town. 6.. Mary Good married Christian Hershey. The exact parentage of Christian is speculative, but he is tied to the Hershey family of this region. A Christian Hershey lived very close to Jacob Good in Warwick Township 7.. Catherine Good married Peter Newcomer, who is likely the Peter Newcomer born in Manor Township. Manor Township was also home to a number of Witmer?s. 8.. Christian Good and his wife Barbara moved to Washington County, MD and are buried on the family farm with his parents. 9.. Abraham Good owned property adjacent his brother Jacob in Cambria County. The property was adjacent the Stonycreek River. John Stouder Sr. & Jr. had warrants for property along the Stonycreek River in what is now Cambria County, which was near a number of German Baptists who settled in Cambria County, including Peter Morgan. This was in very close proximity to the Good properties. The Stouder?s immigrated to Ohio by 1820, where David Stouder the brother of John Sr. had earlier founded the Obannon German Baptist church in 1795. ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thomas Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:36 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope (Bill Thomas) Judy: It wasn't a book, it was a Word document that is well over 10 years old. I found the authors: Steven R. Garver and Jerry R. Masters. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Judy Meredith Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 5:00 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope (Bill Thomas) Bill, What is the title of the book you mention below about Gerber/Garber genealogy? Thanks, Judy Meredith -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thomas Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:20 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope (Bill Thomas) Kim: I have two sources of info on the Jacob Good/Elizabeth Gerber Family. The first (which lists his children and their spouses) is titled "History and Genealogical Record of the Good and Hileman Families of Pennsylvania and Other States of the Union". Not sure of the publish date, but appears to be about 1912 based on the preamble. It was published by the Altoona Times Company, of Altoona, PA. The book is available for downloading off the net, I believe I found this on Archive.org The second (which lists the wife of Jacob Good) is a Gerber/Garber/Garber genealogy that has numerous footnotes, listing wills, deeds, etc.). I can't seem to find who the author was at this time, but it is very well researched. When you look at the warrant maps for the townships I noted, geography helps confirm the information contained in the 1912 resource. I don't have a copy of Jacob's will (if it exists), which would help confirm this info. But these are my sources. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: KArmstr112@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:56 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope (Bill Thomas) Bill Thomas, Could you tell me more about your research on the Good family from Manheim, PA? I have Anna Good marrying Jacob Huber/Hoover. I have ample documentation on this pairing. Moving into unproven but suspected territory, I have had Anna's parents as Jacob Good & Elizabeth Gerber. If these are not her parents, do you have any idea who might be? Have a good day, Kim Armstrong Send a card and a smile _www.sendoutcards.com/101614_ (http://www.sendoutcards.com/101614) In a message dated 11/11/2013 3:10:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: All of these families are connected to the children of Mennonite Jacob Good and Elizabeth Gerber, a family with notable German Baptist connections. Jacob moved his family from Warwick Township to Frederick County (now Washington County), Maryland about 1767, where he died in 1797 (I had previously researched this Good family). Jacob and Elizabeths?s children were as follows: 1.. Anna Good married Peter Longnecker. Peter was likely the brother (or cousin) of Rev. Christian Longnecker, who led the White Oak Land congregation per Morgan Edwards. 2.. John Good married a Susan ??, and moved to Perry County, OH. His son Jacob may have lived in Somerset County, PA. 3.. Elizabeth Good married Joseph Long. Joseph was German Baptist, and purchased Jacob Good?s property in Frederick County. Joseph?s brother Isaac has historical significance. Isaac?s barn was used in 1767 for a revival led by Philip Otterbein and Martin Boehm, the founders of the United Brethren denomination. 4.. Barbara Good married Peter Witmer, son of immigrant Ulrich Witmer. They lived on a farm near Elizabethtown, in Lancaster County. 5.. Jacob Good married a Mary Bosley, ended up in Cambria County where he died on his farm that overlooks Johnstown, PA, my home town. 6.. Mary Good married Christian Hershey. The exact parentage of Christian is speculative, but he is tied to the Hershey family of this region. A Christian Hershey lived very close to Jacob Good in Warwick Township 7.. Catherine Good married Peter Newcomer, who is likely the Peter Newcomer born in Manor Township. Manor Township was also home to a number of Witmer?s. 8.. Christian Good and his wife Barbara moved to Washington County, MD and are buried on the family farm with his parents. 9.. Abraham Good owned property adjacent his brother Jacob in Cambria County. The property was adjacent the Stonycreek River. John Stouder Sr. & Jr. had warrants for property along the Stonycreek River in what is now Cambria County, which was near a number of German Baptists who settled in Cambria County, including Peter Morgan. This was in very close proximity to the Good properties. The Stouder?s immigrated to Ohio by 1820, where David Stouder the brother of John Sr. had earlier founded the Obannon German Baptist church in 1795. ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Can anyone help with information on Christian Grebil born 1718 in Munchweiler Pfalz Germany. I believe he married Maria Landis about 1737 in Manheim Pennsylvania. Possibly the White Oak Church was built on his farm. I had located he and Mariaâs tombstones in a fence row that was the remains of the Landis-Graybill Cemetery north of Leola Pennsylvania. When I visited the cemetery this summer both tombstones had disappeared. Anyone know where they went? Their children were Christian, Shem, John, Jacob, Michael, Abraham, James and Samuel. Clyde Nafzinger
Kim: I have two sources of info on the Jacob Good/Elizabeth Gerber Family. The first (which lists his children and their spouses) is titled "History and Genealogical Record of the Good and Hileman Families of Pennsylvania and Other States of the Union". Not sure of the publish date, but appears to be about 1912 based on the preamble. It was published by the Altoona Times Company, of Altoona, PA. The book is available for downloading off the net, I believe I found this on Archive.org The second (which lists the wife of Jacob Good) is a Gerber/Garber/Garber genealogy that has numerous footnotes, listing wills, deeds, etc.). I can't seem to find who the author was at this time, but it is very well researched. When you look at the warrant maps for the townships I noted, geography helps confirm the information contained in the 1912 resource. I don't have a copy of Jacob's will (if it exists), which would help confirm this info. But these are my sources. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: KArmstr112@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:56 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope (Bill Thomas) Bill Thomas, Could you tell me more about your research on the Good family from Manheim, PA? I have Anna Good marrying Jacob Huber/Hoover. I have ample documentation on this pairing. Moving into unproven but suspected territory, I have had Anna's parents as Jacob Good & Elizabeth Gerber. If these are not her parents, do you have any idea who might be? Have a good day, Kim Armstrong Send a card and a smile _www.sendoutcards.com/101614_ (http://www.sendoutcards.com/101614) In a message dated 11/11/2013 3:10:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: All of these families are connected to the children of Mennonite Jacob Good and Elizabeth Gerber, a family with notable German Baptist connections. Jacob moved his family from Warwick Township to Frederick County (now Washington County), Maryland about 1767, where he died in 1797 (I had previously researched this Good family). Jacob and Elizabeths?s children were as follows: 1.. Anna Good married Peter Longnecker. Peter was likely the brother (or cousin) of Rev. Christian Longnecker, who led the White Oak Land congregation per Morgan Edwards. 2.. John Good married a Susan ??, and moved to Perry County, OH. His son Jacob may have lived in Somerset County, PA. 3.. Elizabeth Good married Joseph Long. Joseph was German Baptist, and purchased Jacob Good?s property in Frederick County. Joseph?s brother Isaac has historical significance. Isaac?s barn was used in 1767 for a revival led by Philip Otterbein and Martin Boehm, the founders of the United Brethren denomination. 4.. Barbara Good married Peter Witmer, son of immigrant Ulrich Witmer. They lived on a farm near Elizabethtown, in Lancaster County. 5.. Jacob Good married a Mary Bosley, ended up in Cambria County where he died on his farm that overlooks Johnstown, PA, my home town. 6.. Mary Good married Christian Hershey. The exact parentage of Christian is speculative, but he is tied to the Hershey family of this region. A Christian Hershey lived very close to Jacob Good in Warwick Township 7.. Catherine Good married Peter Newcomer, who is likely the Peter Newcomer born in Manor Township. Manor Township was also home to a number of Witmer?s. 8.. Christian Good and his wife Barbara moved to Washington County, MD and are buried on the family farm with his parents. 9.. Abraham Good owned property adjacent his brother Jacob in Cambria County. The property was adjacent the Stonycreek River. John Stouder Sr. & Jr. had warrants for property along the Stonycreek River in what is now Cambria County, which was near a number of German Baptists who settled in Cambria County, including Peter Morgan. This was in very close proximity to the Good properties. The Stouder?s immigrated to Ohio by 1820, where David Stouder the brother of John Sr. had earlier founded the Obannon German Baptist church in 1795. ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have plotted and drawn most of the migration routes used by the Brethren - at my folder: www.cob-net.org/docs/brethrenlife.htm I have a PowerPoint presentation of it - showing routes and maps - the Power Point - "Brethren Migration Routes" I have papers on the individual roadways - identified some with the WayBills they used - in the section - "Brethren Migration" I've given the actual present day roads that parallel these, in most cases. Merle C Rummel ************* In terms of migrational patterns, people East of the Allegheny Mts (PA section of the Applachian Mts ) traveled the following routes: 1. VT and New England States / NY to NJ --> directly east or southeast over the Allegheny Mts central PA 2. NY - southwest over the Allegheny Mts central PA ...or South if on the western side of NY / PA 3. NJ through PA to MD - most pre 1750s - Frederick Co MD or Baltimore area --> moving west through MD 4a. Eastern to Western MD through western Maryland through the lower Allegheny Mts west to the tri-county area of Washington Co PA, Allegheny Co PA, Greene Co PA (and Fayette Co PA) 4b. Eastern through Western Maryland to the Ohio River, 'up' through the river intersections to Pittsburgh and to N, E, W 4c. Eastern people through Western Maryland and southwest into southern States, like Kentucky 5. From southwestern PA into Ohio, Indiana, Illinois ---> and some then went west into SW Ohio, KY, NC/SC, west into KS, CO, on to California One "gateway to the West" was Washington Co PA. Settlers who came into SW PA pre-1820s then moved West into Stark Co and other counties in OH by the early 1830s. Whole families OR younger married couples w/ and w/o kids, OR single men, OR a mixture of relatives moved... some going on to IN and IL or to southern States. Some of the names you mentioned were in Washington Co PA pre-1850. You might want to read BEERS for Washington Co PA, especially the formation of Twps (Beers Commemorative is free online www.chartiers.com). Look at histories for Fayette Co PA and Greene Co PA... and Stark Co OH. Judy ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
4c should also mention western Md to western VA, today WV. Beverly Railey Robinson. Sent from my iPad On Nov 12, 2013, at 2:32 PM, JFlorian <cageycat@gmail.com> wrote: > Linda posted: > Martin, Geis, Koppes, Koontz/Kuntz, Shaeffer/Shafer, Glessner, Lehnert, > Becker, Metzler, Means, > Horst, and Swartz. > > In terms of migrational patterns, people East of the Allegheny Mts (PA > section of the Applachian Mts ) traveled the following routes: > > 1. VT and New England States / NY to NJ --> directly east or southeast > over the Allegheny Mts central PA > 2. NY - southwest over the Allegheny Mts central PA ...or South if on the > western side of NY / PA > 3. NJ through PA to MD - most pre 1750s - Frederick Co MD or Baltimore area > --> moving west through MD > 4a. Eastern to Western MD through western Maryland through the lower > Allegheny Mts west to the > tri-county area of Washington Co PA, Allegheny Co PA, Greene Co PA (and > Fayette Co PA) > 4b. Eastern through Western Maryland to the Ohio River, 'up' through the > river intersections to Pittsburgh and to N, E, W > 4c. Eastern people through Western Maryland and southwest into southern > States, like Kentucky > 5. From southwestern PA into Ohio, Indiana, Illinois ---> and some then > went west into SW Ohio, KY, NC/SC, west into KS, CO, on to California > > One "gateway to the West" was Washington Co PA. Settlers who came into SW > PA pre-1820s then moved West into Stark Co and other counties in OH by the > early 1830s. Whole families OR younger married couples w/ and w/o kids, OR > single men, OR a mixture of relatives moved... some going on to IN and IL > or to southern States. Some of the names you mentioned were in Washington > Co PA pre-1850. > > You might want to read BEERS for Washington Co PA, especially the formation > of Twps (Beers Commemorative is free online www.chartiers.com). Look at > histories for Fayette Co PA and Greene Co PA... and Stark Co OH. > > Judy > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Linda posted: Martin, Geis, Koppes, Koontz/Kuntz, Shaeffer/Shafer, Glessner, Lehnert, Becker, Metzler, Means, Horst, and Swartz. In terms of migrational patterns, people East of the Allegheny Mts (PA section of the Applachian Mts ) traveled the following routes: 1. VT and New England States / NY to NJ --> directly east or southeast over the Allegheny Mts central PA 2. NY - southwest over the Allegheny Mts central PA ...or South if on the western side of NY / PA 3. NJ through PA to MD - most pre 1750s - Frederick Co MD or Baltimore area --> moving west through MD 4a. Eastern to Western MD through western Maryland through the lower Allegheny Mts west to the tri-county area of Washington Co PA, Allegheny Co PA, Greene Co PA (and Fayette Co PA) 4b. Eastern through Western Maryland to the Ohio River, 'up' through the river intersections to Pittsburgh and to N, E, W 4c. Eastern people through Western Maryland and southwest into southern States, like Kentucky 5. From southwestern PA into Ohio, Indiana, Illinois ---> and some then went west into SW Ohio, KY, NC/SC, west into KS, CO, on to California One "gateway to the West" was Washington Co PA. Settlers who came into SW PA pre-1820s then moved West into Stark Co and other counties in OH by the early 1830s. Whole families OR younger married couples w/ and w/o kids, OR single men, OR a mixture of relatives moved... some going on to IN and IL or to southern States. Some of the names you mentioned were in Washington Co PA pre-1850. You might want to read BEERS for Washington Co PA, especially the formation of Twps (Beers Commemorative is free online www.chartiers.com). Look at histories for Fayette Co PA and Greene Co PA... and Stark Co OH. Judy
Bill, What is the title of the book you mention below about Gerber/Garber genealogy? Thanks, Judy Meredith -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thomas Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:20 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope (Bill Thomas) Kim: I have two sources of info on the Jacob Good/Elizabeth Gerber Family. The first (which lists his children and their spouses) is titled "History and Genealogical Record of the Good and Hileman Families of Pennsylvania and Other States of the Union". Not sure of the publish date, but appears to be about 1912 based on the preamble. It was published by the Altoona Times Company, of Altoona, PA. The book is available for downloading off the net, I believe I found this on Archive.org The second (which lists the wife of Jacob Good) is a Gerber/Garber/Garber genealogy that has numerous footnotes, listing wills, deeds, etc.). I can't seem to find who the author was at this time, but it is very well researched. When you look at the warrant maps for the townships I noted, geography helps confirm the information contained in the 1912 resource. I don't have a copy of Jacob's will (if it exists), which would help confirm this info. But these are my sources. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: KArmstr112@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:56 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope (Bill Thomas) Bill Thomas, Could you tell me more about your research on the Good family from Manheim, PA? I have Anna Good marrying Jacob Huber/Hoover. I have ample documentation on this pairing. Moving into unproven but suspected territory, I have had Anna's parents as Jacob Good & Elizabeth Gerber. If these are not her parents, do you have any idea who might be? Have a good day, Kim Armstrong Send a card and a smile _www.sendoutcards.com/101614_ (http://www.sendoutcards.com/101614) In a message dated 11/11/2013 3:10:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: All of these families are connected to the children of Mennonite Jacob Good and Elizabeth Gerber, a family with notable German Baptist connections. Jacob moved his family from Warwick Township to Frederick County (now Washington County), Maryland about 1767, where he died in 1797 (I had previously researched this Good family). Jacob and Elizabeths?s children were as follows: 1.. Anna Good married Peter Longnecker. Peter was likely the brother (or cousin) of Rev. Christian Longnecker, who led the White Oak Land congregation per Morgan Edwards. 2.. John Good married a Susan ??, and moved to Perry County, OH. His son Jacob may have lived in Somerset County, PA. 3.. Elizabeth Good married Joseph Long. Joseph was German Baptist, and purchased Jacob Good?s property in Frederick County. Joseph?s brother Isaac has historical significance. Isaac?s barn was used in 1767 for a revival led by Philip Otterbein and Martin Boehm, the founders of the United Brethren denomination. 4.. Barbara Good married Peter Witmer, son of immigrant Ulrich Witmer. They lived on a farm near Elizabethtown, in Lancaster County. 5.. Jacob Good married a Mary Bosley, ended up in Cambria County where he died on his farm that overlooks Johnstown, PA, my home town. 6.. Mary Good married Christian Hershey. The exact parentage of Christian is speculative, but he is tied to the Hershey family of this region. A Christian Hershey lived very close to Jacob Good in Warwick Township 7.. Catherine Good married Peter Newcomer, who is likely the Peter Newcomer born in Manor Township. Manor Township was also home to a number of Witmer?s. 8.. Christian Good and his wife Barbara moved to Washington County, MD and are buried on the family farm with his parents. 9.. Abraham Good owned property adjacent his brother Jacob in Cambria County. The property was adjacent the Stonycreek River. John Stouder Sr. & Jr. had warrants for property along the Stonycreek River in what is now Cambria County, which was near a number of German Baptists who settled in Cambria County, including Peter Morgan. This was in very close proximity to the Good properties. The Stouder?s immigrated to Ohio by 1820, where David Stouder the brother of John Sr. had earlier founded the Obannon German Baptist church in 1795. ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Bill Thomas, Could you tell me more about your research on the Good family from Manheim, PA? I have Anna Good marrying Jacob Huber/Hoover. I have ample documentation on this pairing. Moving into unproven but suspected territory, I have had Anna's parents as Jacob Good & Elizabeth Gerber. If these are not her parents, do you have any idea who might be? Have a good day, Kim Armstrong Send a card and a smile _www.sendoutcards.com/101614_ (http://www.sendoutcards.com/101614) In a message dated 11/11/2013 3:10:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: All of these families are connected to the children of Mennonite Jacob Good and Elizabeth Gerber, a family with notable German Baptist connections. Jacob moved his family from Warwick Township to Frederick County (now Washington County), Maryland about 1767, where he died in 1797 (I had previously researched this Good family). Jacob and Elizabeths?s children were as follows: 1.. Anna Good married Peter Longnecker. Peter was likely the brother (or cousin) of Rev. Christian Longnecker, who led the White Oak Land congregation per Morgan Edwards. 2.. John Good married a Susan ??, and moved to Perry County, OH. His son Jacob may have lived in Somerset County, PA. 3.. Elizabeth Good married Joseph Long. Joseph was German Baptist, and purchased Jacob Good?s property in Frederick County. Joseph?s brother Isaac has historical significance. Isaac?s barn was used in 1767 for a revival led by Philip Otterbein and Martin Boehm, the founders of the United Brethren denomination. 4.. Barbara Good married Peter Witmer, son of immigrant Ulrich Witmer. They lived on a farm near Elizabethtown, in Lancaster County. 5.. Jacob Good married a Mary Bosley, ended up in Cambria County where he died on his farm that overlooks Johnstown, PA, my home town. 6.. Mary Good married Christian Hershey. The exact parentage of Christian is speculative, but he is tied to the Hershey family of this region. A Christian Hershey lived very close to Jacob Good in Warwick Township 7.. Catherine Good married Peter Newcomer, who is likely the Peter Newcomer born in Manor Township. Manor Township was also home to a number of Witmer?s. 8.. Christian Good and his wife Barbara moved to Washington County, MD and are buried on the family farm with his parents. 9.. Abraham Good owned property adjacent his brother Jacob in Cambria County. The property was adjacent the Stonycreek River. John Stouder Sr. & Jr. had warrants for property along the Stonycreek River in what is now Cambria County, which was near a number of German Baptists who settled in Cambria County, including Peter Morgan. This was in very close proximity to the Good properties. The Stouder?s immigrated to Ohio by 1820, where David Stouder the brother of John Sr. had earlier founded the Obannon German Baptist church in 1795.
Meant to say Estate Abstracts not Deed Abstracts below. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Thomas Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:52 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Introduction Pennsylvania State Archives website has early property records for Pennsylvania, including maps. Maryland Archives also has early property records on their website. Many Genweb sites include 18th Century deed abstracts. Many old county histories and religious histories are scanned on Archive.org and Google books. They often contain biographies and early tax records. The Brethren Website has 18th century baptism records. There are also Mennonite obituaries from about 1860's to current times online, and also Brethren obituary lists online. Many early ship lists are on line, census records are on line, and many other records. Doing a Google search on a name is a good start for finding some of these records. Ancestry also has a lot of tax and land records, but you have to pay the membership fee to get access. One caution is that there is a great deal of misinformation on the various genealogy websites, including Ancestry and Find-a-grave. Takes a lot of time and effort to find some of this info, and even more time to validate it. This rootsweb list is a good sounding board for info you don't have confidence in. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Linda M Wroth Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:01 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Introduction I'm curious where you find all the information you've been discussing in the thread Connections to 1733 Ship Hope. I joined the group because I started a family tree on Ancestry.com and found out my father's family were mostly Dunkards, Brethren, and Mennonites. I've seen Find-A-Grave notices that a number of them were buried in Brethren or Mennonite cemeteries, but I haven't put much together yet. My grandparents and maybe great-grandparents lived in Stark County, Ohio; some of the surnames back to the 1700s are Martin, Geis, Koppes, Koontz/Kuntz, Shaeffer/Shafer, Glessner, Lehnert, Becker, Metzler, Means, Horst, and Swartz. Living in California, I don't have access to local resources and wondered if there are any online resources or books to fill in the details of the lives of these people or the communities in general. Thank you, Linda Linda M Wroth lmwroth@me.com Richmond, California ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Pennsylvania State Archives website has early property records for Pennsylvania, including maps. Maryland Archives also has early property records on their website. Many Genweb sites include 18th Century deed abstracts. Many old county histories and religious histories are scanned on Archive.org and Google books. They often contain biographies and early tax records. The Brethren Website has 18th century baptism records. There are also Mennonite obituaries from about 1860's to current times online, and also Brethren obituary lists online. Many early ship lists are on line, census records are on line, and many other records. Doing a Google search on a name is a good start for finding some of these records. Ancestry also has a lot of tax and land records, but you have to pay the membership fee to get access. One caution is that there is a great deal of misinformation on the various genealogy websites, including Ancestry and Find-a-grave. Takes a lot of time and effort to find some of this info, and even more time to validate it. This rootsweb list is a good sounding board for info you don't have confidence in. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Linda M Wroth Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:01 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Introduction I'm curious where you find all the information you've been discussing in the thread Connections to 1733 Ship Hope. I joined the group because I started a family tree on Ancestry.com and found out my father's family were mostly Dunkards, Brethren, and Mennonites. I've seen Find-A-Grave notices that a number of them were buried in Brethren or Mennonite cemeteries, but I haven't put much together yet. My grandparents and maybe great-grandparents lived in Stark County, Ohio; some of the surnames back to the 1700s are Martin, Geis, Koppes, Koontz/Kuntz, Shaeffer/Shafer, Glessner, Lehnert, Becker, Metzler, Means, Horst, and Swartz. Living in California, I don't have access to local resources and wondered if there are any online resources or books to fill in the details of the lives of these people or the communities in general. Thank you, Linda Linda M Wroth lmwroth@me.com Richmond, California ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Likely Geography and possible relation. Ulrich Zug lived in Warwick Township (now Penn Township), purchasing 343 acres of land from Michael Bachman in 1743. Michael had several properties, and this appears to be the one he warranted on 10/29/1741, shown in survey A-76-52, and the Penn Township Warrant Map for 345 acres. The Penn Township warrant Map also shows Jacob Ullinger holding a 9/23/1752 warrant for a nearby property that was patented by an Adam Hollinger in 1811. The 1771 Warwick Township tax includes a number of Hollingers including Jacob and Daniel. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Harter Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:19 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope I have a question that has long bothered me. Why is my ancestor, Daniel Hollinger, in the small Ulrich Zug Cemetery? If I remember correctly, he is the only non-Zug there. Any ideas? I have found no family connection. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: <captainlaser@comcast.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope > Bill, > > > ps Google maps calls the Hershey family plot as 419 Indian Village Road if > you are driving through there. > > > It is about 2 miles as the crow flies from the current White Oak > Congregation Church of the Brethren. > > > My family was Brethren but has Mennonite roots as well. Ulrich Zug was > Mennonite and converted to COB. He is buried outside Penryn and went to > White Oak Congregation. He married into the Bachmann family. Zaugg or Zug > was a Mennonite (or Reformed) name from Trub, Switzerland and the > Fankhauser family still owns a farm and museum of Mennonite history there. > > Other names in the cemetery south of Manheim are Erisman (from Melchior > Erisman)... his daughter married Christian Habacker (Hawbaker or Habbecker > or Habecker) and his grandson Christian Erisman married Catherine > Hostetter. It is not hard to see that these few families intermingled over > the 18th century outside of Manheim, PA. and many COB families are related > to the Mennonites there. > > > Ray Hoff > > > > > From: "Bill Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:35:58 PM > Subject: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope > > Dwayne Wrightsman recently noted the (then) Mennonite Flory, Stouder and > Longnecker families who came to America on the ship Hope in 1733, and then > settled in what is now Ralpho Township. This got my curiosity going, and > did some research that produced some information that expands on this > subject. I’ll begin with some additional Mennonite families from this > region: > 1.. Another Mennonite family of note on the Hope, which was Michael Witmer > and his son’s Ulrich, Peter and Hans. They also had property in Ralpho > Township. > 2.. A second Mennonite family of note was that of Johannes Long, who lived > in adjacent Manheim Township coming to America about 1722. > 3.. A third notable Mennonite family that lived in both Manheim and Ralpho > Township was the Hershey family, who came to America in 1717. > 4.. Newcomer is another notable Mennonite name from this area, found in > Leacock, Hempfield and Manor Townships. > All of these families are connected to the children of Mennonite Jacob > Good and Elizabeth Gerber, a family with notable German Baptist > connections. Jacob moved his family from Warwick Township to Frederick > County (now Washington County), Maryland about 1767, where he died in 1797 > (I had previously researched this Good family). Jacob and Elizabeths’s > children were as follows: > 1.. Anna Good married Peter Longnecker. Peter was likely the brother (or > cousin) of Rev. Christian Longnecker, who led the White Oak Land > congregation per Morgan Edwards. > 2.. John Good married a Susan ??, and moved to Perry County, OH. His son > Jacob may have lived in Somerset County, PA. > 3.. Elizabeth Good married Joseph Long. Joseph was German Baptist, and > purchased Jacob Good’s property in Frederick County. Joseph’s brother > Isaac has historical significance. Isaac’s barn was used in 1767 for a > revival led by Philip Otterbein and Martin Boehm, the founders of the > United Brethren denomination. > 4.. Barbara Good married Peter Witmer, son of immigrant Ulrich Witmer. > They lived on a farm near Elizabethtown, in Lancaster County. > 5.. Jacob Good married a Mary Bosley, ended up in Cambria County where he > died on his farm that overlooks Johnstown, PA, my home town. > 6.. Mary Good married Christian Hershey. The exact parentage of Christian > is speculative, but he is tied to the Hershey family of this region. A > Christian Hershey lived very close to Jacob Good in Warwick Township > 7.. Catherine Good married Peter Newcomer, who is likely the Peter > Newcomer born in Manor Township. Manor Township was also home to a number > of Witmer’s. > 8.. Christian Good and his wife Barbara moved to Washington County, MD and > are buried on the family farm with his parents. > 9.. Abraham Good owned property adjacent his brother Jacob in Cambria > County. The property was adjacent the Stonycreek River. John Stouder Sr. & > Jr. had warrants for property along the Stonycreek River in what is now > Cambria County, which was near a number of German Baptists who settled in > Cambria County, including Peter Morgan. This was in very close proximity > to the Good properties. The Stouder’s immigrated to Ohio by 1820, where > David Stouder the brother of John Sr. had earlier founded the Obannon > German Baptist church in 1795. > The Hershey family is also of interest. > 1.. A Jacob Hershey & wife were baptized in 1768 by Michael Pfautz and > were part of the White Oak Land Congregation in 1770. This is likely Jacob > married to Anna Newcomer d/o Wolfgang Newcomer of Leacock Township. Jacob > and Anna later became United Brethren. Anna’s brother was United Brethren > Bishop, Christian Newcomer. > 2.. Christian Newcomer was Mennonite (or maybe German Baptist??) in 1776, > where he is on a list of Washington County, MD non-enrollers listed as > “Dunkers & Menonist”. Three Good brothers John, Christian and Abraham are > on the same list. > 3.. Christian Longnecker baptized a John Hershey and Catherine Hershey in > 1776. John is also likely Rev. John B. Hershey, who later became a United > Brethren Minister in Washington County, MD > 4.. Jacob and John Hershey were brothers. One researcher suspects that > John B. Hershey was at the 1767 revival at Isaac Long’s barn. Mennonite > historians believe John B. Hershey was also a Mennonite minister, and > became a United Brethren minister about 1791. > 5.. Jacob, John and Catherine Hershey are likely children of Andrew > Hershey of Hempfield Township. > 6.. Andrew’s son Andrew Jr. is likely the Andrew Hershey in York County, > that some claim is the father of Christian Hershey husband of Mary Good. > I thought I would pass this info on. May also be of some help in > identifying the Stouder’s Dwayne asked about. > > Bill Thomas > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Bill, ps Google maps calls the Hershey family plot as 419 Indian Village Road if you are driving through there. It is about 2 miles as the crow flies from the current White Oak Congregation Church of the Brethren. My family was Brethren but has Mennonite roots as well. Ulrich Zug was Mennonite and converted to COB. He is buried outside Penryn and went to White Oak Congregation. He married into the Bachmann family. Zaugg or Zug was a Mennonite (or Reformed) name from Trub, Switzerland and the Fankhauser family still owns a farm and museum of Mennonite history there. Other names in the cemetery south of Manheim are Erisman (from Melchior Erisman)... his daughter married Christian Habacker (Hawbaker or Habbecker or Habecker) and his grandson Christian Erisman married Catherine Hostetter. It is not hard to see that these few families intermingled over the 18th century outside of Manheim, PA. and many COB families are related to the Mennonites there. Ray Hoff From: "Bill Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:35:58 PM Subject: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope Dwayne Wrightsman recently noted the (then) Mennonite Flory, Stouder and Longnecker families who came to America on the ship Hope in 1733, and then settled in what is now Ralpho Township. This got my curiosity going, and did some research that produced some information that expands on this subject. I’ll begin with some additional Mennonite families from this region: 1.. Another Mennonite family of note on the Hope, which was Michael Witmer and his son’s Ulrich, Peter and Hans. They also had property in Ralpho Township. 2.. A second Mennonite family of note was that of Johannes Long, who lived in adjacent Manheim Township coming to America about 1722. 3.. A third notable Mennonite family that lived in both Manheim and Ralpho Township was the Hershey family, who came to America in 1717. 4.. Newcomer is another notable Mennonite name from this area, found in Leacock, Hempfield and Manor Townships. All of these families are connected to the children of Mennonite Jacob Good and Elizabeth Gerber, a family with notable German Baptist connections. Jacob moved his family from Warwick Township to Frederick County (now Washington County), Maryland about 1767, where he died in 1797 (I had previously researched this Good family). Jacob and Elizabeths’s children were as follows: 1.. Anna Good married Peter Longnecker. Peter was likely the brother (or cousin) of Rev. Christian Longnecker, who led the White Oak Land congregation per Morgan Edwards. 2.. John Good married a Susan ??, and moved to Perry County, OH. His son Jacob may have lived in Somerset County, PA. 3.. Elizabeth Good married Joseph Long. Joseph was German Baptist, and purchased Jacob Good’s property in Frederick County. Joseph’s brother Isaac has historical significance. Isaac’s barn was used in 1767 for a revival led by Philip Otterbein and Martin Boehm, the founders of the United Brethren denomination. 4.. Barbara Good married Peter Witmer, son of immigrant Ulrich Witmer. They lived on a farm near Elizabethtown, in Lancaster County. 5.. Jacob Good married a Mary Bosley, ended up in Cambria County where he died on his farm that overlooks Johnstown, PA, my home town. 6.. Mary Good married Christian Hershey. The exact parentage of Christian is speculative, but he is tied to the Hershey family of this region. A Christian Hershey lived very close to Jacob Good in Warwick Township 7.. Catherine Good married Peter Newcomer, who is likely the Peter Newcomer born in Manor Township. Manor Township was also home to a number of Witmer’s. 8.. Christian Good and his wife Barbara moved to Washington County, MD and are buried on the family farm with his parents. 9.. Abraham Good owned property adjacent his brother Jacob in Cambria County. The property was adjacent the Stonycreek River. John Stouder Sr. & Jr. had warrants for property along the Stonycreek River in what is now Cambria County, which was near a number of German Baptists who settled in Cambria County, including Peter Morgan. This was in very close proximity to the Good properties. The Stouder’s immigrated to Ohio by 1820, where David Stouder the brother of John Sr. had earlier founded the Obannon German Baptist church in 1795. The Hershey family is also of interest. 1.. A Jacob Hershey & wife were baptized in 1768 by Michael Pfautz and were part of the White Oak Land Congregation in 1770. This is likely Jacob married to Anna Newcomer d/o Wolfgang Newcomer of Leacock Township. Jacob and Anna later became United Brethren. Anna’s brother was United Brethren Bishop, Christian Newcomer. 2.. Christian Newcomer was Mennonite (or maybe German Baptist??) in 1776, where he is on a list of Washington County, MD non-enrollers listed as “Dunkers & Menonist”. Three Good brothers John, Christian and Abraham are on the same list. 3.. Christian Longnecker baptized a John Hershey and Catherine Hershey in 1776. John is also likely Rev. John B. Hershey, who later became a United Brethren Minister in Washington County, MD 4.. Jacob and John Hershey were brothers. One researcher suspects that John B. Hershey was at the 1767 revival at Isaac Long’s barn. Mennonite historians believe John B. Hershey was also a Mennonite minister, and became a United Brethren minister about 1791. 5.. Jacob, John and Catherine Hershey are likely children of Andrew Hershey of Hempfield Township. 6.. Andrew’s son Andrew Jr. is likely the Andrew Hershey in York County, that some claim is the father of Christian Hershey husband of Mary Good. I thought I would pass this info on. May also be of some help in identifying the Stouder’s Dwayne asked about. 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Thank you for all the resources! I already figured out a lot of the family tree information on Ancestry.com is incorrect. Linda M Wroth lmwroth@me.com Richmond, California
Thanks for this Bill. The Herschi's (Swiss spelling) have a family plot east of Manheim PA on Indian Village Road. You can find it opposite a large dairy there. We have them to thank for the chocolate bars, I hear. Ray From: "Bill Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:35:58 PM Subject: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope Dwayne Wrightsman recently noted the (then) Mennonite Flory, Stouder and Longnecker families who came to America on the ship Hope in 1733, and then settled in what is now Ralpho Township. This got my curiosity going, and did some research that produced some information that expands on this subject. I’ll begin with some additional Mennonite families from this region: 1.. Another Mennonite family of note on the Hope, which was Michael Witmer and his son’s Ulrich, Peter and Hans. They also had property in Ralpho Township. 2.. A second Mennonite family of note was that of Johannes Long, who lived in adjacent Manheim Township coming to America about 1722. 3.. A third notable Mennonite family that lived in both Manheim and Ralpho Township was the Hershey family, who came to America in 1717. 4.. Newcomer is another notable Mennonite name from this area, found in Leacock, Hempfield and Manor Townships. All of these families are connected to the children of Mennonite Jacob Good and Elizabeth Gerber, a family with notable German Baptist connections. Jacob moved his family from Warwick Township to Frederick County (now Washington County), Maryland about 1767, where he died in 1797 (I had previously researched this Good family). Jacob and Elizabeths’s children were as follows: 1.. Anna Good married Peter Longnecker. Peter was likely the brother (or cousin) of Rev. Christian Longnecker, who led the White Oak Land congregation per Morgan Edwards. 2.. John Good married a Susan ??, and moved to Perry County, OH. His son Jacob may have lived in Somerset County, PA. 3.. Elizabeth Good married Joseph Long. Joseph was German Baptist, and purchased Jacob Good’s property in Frederick County. Joseph’s brother Isaac has historical significance. Isaac’s barn was used in 1767 for a revival led by Philip Otterbein and Martin Boehm, the founders of the United Brethren denomination. 4.. Barbara Good married Peter Witmer, son of immigrant Ulrich Witmer. They lived on a farm near Elizabethtown, in Lancaster County. 5.. Jacob Good married a Mary Bosley, ended up in Cambria County where he died on his farm that overlooks Johnstown, PA, my home town. 6.. Mary Good married Christian Hershey. The exact parentage of Christian is speculative, but he is tied to the Hershey family of this region. A Christian Hershey lived very close to Jacob Good in Warwick Township 7.. Catherine Good married Peter Newcomer, who is likely the Peter Newcomer born in Manor Township. Manor Township was also home to a number of Witmer’s. 8.. Christian Good and his wife Barbara moved to Washington County, MD and are buried on the family farm with his parents. 9.. Abraham Good owned property adjacent his brother Jacob in Cambria County. The property was adjacent the Stonycreek River. John Stouder Sr. & Jr. had warrants for property along the Stonycreek River in what is now Cambria County, which was near a number of German Baptists who settled in Cambria County, including Peter Morgan. This was in very close proximity to the Good properties. The Stouder’s immigrated to Ohio by 1820, where David Stouder the brother of John Sr. had earlier founded the Obannon German Baptist church in 1795. The Hershey family is also of interest. 1.. A Jacob Hershey & wife were baptized in 1768 by Michael Pfautz and were part of the White Oak Land Congregation in 1770. This is likely Jacob married to Anna Newcomer d/o Wolfgang Newcomer of Leacock Township. Jacob and Anna later became United Brethren. Anna’s brother was United Brethren Bishop, Christian Newcomer. 2.. Christian Newcomer was Mennonite (or maybe German Baptist??) in 1776, where he is on a list of Washington County, MD non-enrollers listed as “Dunkers & Menonist”. Three Good brothers John, Christian and Abraham are on the same list. 3.. Christian Longnecker baptized a John Hershey and Catherine Hershey in 1776. John is also likely Rev. John B. Hershey, who later became a United Brethren Minister in Washington County, MD 4.. Jacob and John Hershey were brothers. One researcher suspects that John B. Hershey was at the 1767 revival at Isaac Long’s barn. Mennonite historians believe John B. Hershey was also a Mennonite minister, and became a United Brethren minister about 1791. 5.. Jacob, John and Catherine Hershey are likely children of Andrew Hershey of Hempfield Township. 6.. Andrew’s son Andrew Jr. is likely the Andrew Hershey in York County, that some claim is the father of Christian Hershey husband of Mary Good. I thought I would pass this info on. May also be of some help in identifying the Stouder’s Dwayne asked about. Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I'm curious where you find all the information you've been discussing in the thread Connections to 1733 Ship Hope. I joined the group because I started a family tree on Ancestry.com and found out my father's family were mostly Dunkards, Brethren, and Mennonites. I've seen Find-A-Grave notices that a number of them were buried in Brethren or Mennonite cemeteries, but I haven't put much together yet. My grandparents and maybe great-grandparents lived in Stark County, Ohio; some of the surnames back to the 1700s are Martin, Geis, Koppes, Koontz/Kuntz, Shaeffer/Shafer, Glessner, Lehnert, Becker, Metzler, Means, Horst, and Swartz. Living in California, I don't have access to local resources and wondered if there are any online resources or books to fill in the details of the lives of these people or the communities in general. Thank you, Linda Linda M Wroth lmwroth@me.com Richmond, California
I have a question that has long bothered me. Why is my ancestor, Daniel Hollinger, in the small Ulrich Zug Cemetery? If I remember correctly, he is the only non-Zug there. Any ideas? I have found no family connection. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: <captainlaser@comcast.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope > Bill, > > > ps Google maps calls the Hershey family plot as 419 Indian Village Road if > you are driving through there. > > > It is about 2 miles as the crow flies from the current White Oak > Congregation Church of the Brethren. > > > My family was Brethren but has Mennonite roots as well. Ulrich Zug was > Mennonite and converted to COB. He is buried outside Penryn and went to > White Oak Congregation. He married into the Bachmann family. Zaugg or Zug > was a Mennonite (or Reformed) name from Trub, Switzerland and the > Fankhauser family still owns a farm and museum of Mennonite history there. > > Other names in the cemetery south of Manheim are Erisman (from Melchior > Erisman)... his daughter married Christian Habacker (Hawbaker or Habbecker > or Habecker) and his grandson Christian Erisman married Catherine > Hostetter. It is not hard to see that these few families intermingled over > the 18th century outside of Manheim, PA. and many COB families are related > to the Mennonites there. > > > Ray Hoff > > > > > From: "Bill Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:35:58 PM > Subject: [BRE] Connections to 1733 Ship Hope > > Dwayne Wrightsman recently noted the (then) Mennonite Flory, Stouder and > Longnecker families who came to America on the ship Hope in 1733, and then > settled in what is now Ralpho Township. This got my curiosity going, and > did some research that produced some information that expands on this > subject. I’ll begin with some additional Mennonite families from this > region: > 1.. Another Mennonite family of note on the Hope, which was Michael Witmer > and his son’s Ulrich, Peter and Hans. They also had property in Ralpho > Township. > 2.. A second Mennonite family of note was that of Johannes Long, who lived > in adjacent Manheim Township coming to America about 1722. > 3.. A third notable Mennonite family that lived in both Manheim and Ralpho > Township was the Hershey family, who came to America in 1717. > 4.. Newcomer is another notable Mennonite name from this area, found in > Leacock, Hempfield and Manor Townships. > All of these families are connected to the children of Mennonite Jacob > Good and Elizabeth Gerber, a family with notable German Baptist > connections. Jacob moved his family from Warwick Township to Frederick > County (now Washington County), Maryland about 1767, where he died in 1797 > (I had previously researched this Good family). Jacob and Elizabeths’s > children were as follows: > 1.. Anna Good married Peter Longnecker. Peter was likely the brother (or > cousin) of Rev. Christian Longnecker, who led the White Oak Land > congregation per Morgan Edwards. > 2.. John Good married a Susan ??, and moved to Perry County, OH. His son > Jacob may have lived in Somerset County, PA. > 3.. Elizabeth Good married Joseph Long. Joseph was German Baptist, and > purchased Jacob Good’s property in Frederick County. Joseph’s brother > Isaac has historical significance. Isaac’s barn was used in 1767 for a > revival led by Philip Otterbein and Martin Boehm, the founders of the > United Brethren denomination. > 4.. Barbara Good married Peter Witmer, son of immigrant Ulrich Witmer. > They lived on a farm near Elizabethtown, in Lancaster County. > 5.. Jacob Good married a Mary Bosley, ended up in Cambria County where he > died on his farm that overlooks Johnstown, PA, my home town. > 6.. Mary Good married Christian Hershey. The exact parentage of Christian > is speculative, but he is tied to the Hershey family of this region. A > Christian Hershey lived very close to Jacob Good in Warwick Township > 7.. Catherine Good married Peter Newcomer, who is likely the Peter > Newcomer born in Manor Township. Manor Township was also home to a number > of Witmer’s. > 8.. Christian Good and his wife Barbara moved to Washington County, MD and > are buried on the family farm with his parents. > 9.. Abraham Good owned property adjacent his brother Jacob in Cambria > County. The property was adjacent the Stonycreek River. John Stouder Sr. & > Jr. had warrants for property along the Stonycreek River in what is now > Cambria County, which was near a number of German Baptists who settled in > Cambria County, including Peter Morgan. This was in very close proximity > to the Good properties. The Stouder’s immigrated to Ohio by 1820, where > David Stouder the brother of John Sr. had earlier founded the Obannon > German Baptist church in 1795. > The Hershey family is also of interest. > 1.. A Jacob Hershey & wife were baptized in 1768 by Michael Pfautz and > were part of the White Oak Land Congregation in 1770. This is likely Jacob > married to Anna Newcomer d/o Wolfgang Newcomer of Leacock Township. Jacob > and Anna later became United Brethren. Anna’s brother was United Brethren > Bishop, Christian Newcomer. > 2.. Christian Newcomer was Mennonite (or maybe German Baptist??) in 1776, > where he is on a list of Washington County, MD non-enrollers listed as > “Dunkers & Menonist”. Three Good brothers John, Christian and Abraham are > on the same list. > 3.. Christian Longnecker baptized a John Hershey and Catherine Hershey in > 1776. John is also likely Rev. John B. Hershey, who later became a United > Brethren Minister in Washington County, MD > 4.. Jacob and John Hershey were brothers. One researcher suspects that > John B. Hershey was at the 1767 revival at Isaac Long’s barn. Mennonite > historians believe John B. Hershey was also a Mennonite minister, and > became a United Brethren minister about 1791. > 5.. Jacob, John and Catherine Hershey are likely children of Andrew > Hershey of Hempfield Township. > 6.. Andrew’s son Andrew Jr. is likely the Andrew Hershey in York County, > that some claim is the father of Christian Hershey husband of Mary Good. > I thought I would pass this info on. May also be of some help in > identifying the Stouder’s Dwayne asked about. > > Bill Thomas > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >