That is great news. Is the book available in the Oakland office? Thank you Beverly Railey Robinson Hazelton WV Sent from my iPad On Nov 29, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Dunker Pastor <dunkerpastor@netscape.net> wrote: > > Hi Folks: > > > The attached file informs persons that the West Marva District Church of the Brethren is offering a special 25% discount on the 2012 printing of Allegheny Passage through January 31. > > Blessings, > > Kendal Elmore, Executive Minister > West Marva District > Church of the Brethren > Oakland MD > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ----------------------- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OOPS! Red face department! NOW the file is attached... Sorry! KWE Hi Folks:The attached file informs persons that the West Marva District Church of the Brethren is offering a special 25% discount on the 2012 printing of Allegheny Passage through January 31. Blessings, Kendal Elmore, Executive Minister West Marva DistrictChurch of the Brethren Oakland MD

Hi Folks: The attached file informs persons that the West Marva District Church of the Brethren is offering a special 25% discount on the 2012 printing of Allegheny Passage through January 31. Blessings, Kendal Elmore, Executive Minister West Marva District Church of the Brethren Oakland MD

I had faith you would figure it out Dwayne. If my memory serves me correctly some of his family later settled in the greater Lower Miami congregational area in Montgomery county, Ohio. Some of the Page county, Virginia Heistand became members of the GB church of the Northeastern District of Ohio. Check that history book and you will see them in it. Cordially, A. Wayne Webb Historian: German Baptist Brethren Church Past Editor: Brethren Roots Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Books <http://books.brethrenarchives.com> Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Ministers & Congregations <http://mincon.brethrenarchives.com/> Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Almanacs, Annuals & Yearbooks <http://books1.brethrenarchives.com/> Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Offerings <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/> In other words: Chief Bottle Washer and Cook -----Original Message----- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:47:46 -0500 From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001601cee9f5$b012bb40$103831c0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After giving it more thought, the argument of a single David Stauder might make more sense if one eliminates the David Stauder who married Mary Hiestand. The Hiestand family of Page County, Virginia, was mostly Mennonite rather than Brethren. The Stauders who lived on the east side of the Monocacy River, across from Creagerstown, and north of Fredericktown, were Brethren and were surrounded by Brethren families. The David Stauder who was a non-enroller, along with the John Stouder, also a non-enroller, April 11, 1776, may have been the Elder David Stauder who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church in Clermont County, Ohio, in 1795. He may have died in Ohio shortly thereafter. After John Stouder's death in 1807, his widow Sarah (Brown) Stouder and her children and her grandchildren moved to Clermont County, Ohio, and made their home there. I believe that the David Stouder who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church was truly a Stouder, and not a "Stoner" as others have suggested. Dwayne Wrightsman

Patrick - thank you for this. This George was brother to my great grandma Mary Holler. Winter On Nov 23, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Patrick McGarry wrote: > From: https://archive.org/stream/gospelmessenger143153mill/gospelmessenger143153mill_djvu.txt > > and https://archive.org/stream/gospelmessenger143153mill#page/n855/ > mode/2up/search/holler > > THE GOSPEL MESSENGER.— December 31, 1904. > > > > LIFE OF ELD. GEORGE HOLLER. > > > > The Oldest Elder of Southern Ohio. > Elder Geo. Holler, (lie subject of this sketch, whose > death occurred Dec. 3, 1904, is worthy of an extended > biography. In his passing away departed the last (with > One or two exceptions) of those early pioneer preachers > who impressed their strong personality on those who > lived in the early days of the settlement of Southern > Ohio, and who made possible the splendid group of > Brethren churches which now dot the fertile valley of > the Miami. > > A few years ago, realizing that much of the early history > of our people was being lost, the writer of these lines > tried to glean from Elder Holler some of its early history, > about which one who had played so prominent a part in > the early work of the church would naturally be supposed > to be able to give an infinite amount of information. But > his memory had already begun to fail, and little could be > gathered. > > Like the sturdy tree of the forest that sometimes begins > to decay first at the top, so Elder Holler, of extra strong > physique, his memory first began to fail, so that in his > last days his mind was in such a condition that he was > at times unable to recognize his most intimate friends. > > Eld. George Holler was born Feb. 16, 1817, in Frederick > county, Maryland. When but a boy, six or seven, his par- > ents emigrated to Ohio, settling on the then virgin soil of > the Miami, which ever after remained the scene of his > activity. At the time of his death he was aged 87 years, > 9 months and 17 days, being the oldest elder in the South- > ern District of Ohio. > > He was joined in holy matrimony, Nov. 1, 1838, to > Lydia Hoffman, who has shared the joys and sorrows > of his life for more than sixty-six years. To them were > born nine children, seven boys and two girls. Two boys > preceded him to the spirit world. Two of his sons be- > came ministers. One son is now a deacon in the home > church. For more than fifty-three years he served the > Lower Miami church in the office of the ministry and eld- > - ership. > > Of the various important duties which devolved upon > him in this period no record in this world was kept, and > most of those who associated with him in his prime are > passed from the stage of action. As an expository preach- > er he could not be called great, but in exhortation his re- > marks were always sympathetic and touching. He was > possessed of a remarkably strong voice which, with its > peculiar sympathetic chord, enabled him to administer > sympathy to the bereaved or discouraged in an effective > way. Many will doubtless remember in a generation past > when in time of sorrow he offered consolation at their > homes. Others will remember him as officiating at their > marriage. To many in this church he was bound by > kindred ties, so that in many ways the memory of him > and his work is bound to endure for some generations to > come. > > At the time the writer of these lines was elected to > the ministry, Elder Holler was still active in church work, > and we remember on different private occasions when we > were but beginning, his commendation and appreciation, > kindly expressed, cheered us on in the Master's service., > > He also was of that number who do not tenaciously > cling to an authority once granted them by the church, > but realizing his failing physical and mental powers, a > number of years ago he resigned the oversight of this > church and had another appointed in his place. > > Funeral services were conducted by brethren Daniel M. > Garver and John Bowman, from Rev. 14: 13 and 1 Cor. 15: > 22. Brethren John Smith and E. Shank also made a few > remarks. These services were conducted in the church > near his home, the scene of all his active labors, after > which his body was conveyed to the adjacent cemetery > over which, owing to its proximity to his late residence, > his eyes in life must have daily wandered as he meditated > on the future destiny of man. > > The large concourse of people at his funeral testified > to the grateful appreciation in which he was still held. > In his death the Lower Miami church loses her senior > elder; the Southern District of Ohio, her oldest bishop, > and the community a kind neighbor and friend. As I > close this obituary the words of the funeral text impress > me: " Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from > henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from > their labors, and their works do follow them." Though > he sleepeth, the work which he inaugurated in the Lower > Miami church stil! goes on. J. o. Garst. > > Dayton, Ohio. > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Shelly, I noticed your reference to the Gipe name, because I may have a tenuous connection to a Gipe family in Franklin County, PA. Do you have an Abraham Gipe, b 1843 in Franklin Co, who married Emma Gabler, 1852-1933? My interest is marginal, but I would be interested in talking to someone who knows about this couple. Sherry Petry In a message dated 11/26/2013 1:25:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Cltiv8tr@aol.com writes: .... My ancestors lived in Franklin County, PA - Known names are Barncord and Gipe, which so far hasn't led to anything definitive as far as Brethren or Mennonite connections. Shelly

I haven't. Thank you for that suggestion. Shelly In a message dated 11/27/2013 12:07:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: Shelly, Have you tried emailing Richard Davis directly at richard@mennosearch.com ? Brent Rodes

Shelly, Have you tried emailing Richard Davis directly at richard@mennosearch.com ? Brent Rodes -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cltiv8tr@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:22 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Richard Warren Davis Book The recent discussion on the Richard Warren Davis works brings me back to a question that brought me to this list many years ago. My ancestors lived in Franklin County, PA - Known names are Barncord and Gipe, which so far hasn't led to anything definitive as far as Brethren or Mennonite connections. However, it was Davis's "Mennonites" book that made the first possible connection when he noted that Abraham Brubaker's daughter (unnamed) was married to Jacob Barncord. There were a few Jacobs in the family, but the most likely marriage would be to the one born abt. 1790, as this is the approximate year of birth of Abraham's daughter. For many years, I toyed with the idea that Jacob's wife, Catherine (see Franklin County, 1850) was Abraham's daughter, but other records suggested otherwise. I've now proven by Catherine's will that she was likely Catherine Brandt, the first wife of John Sheller, and not the mother of any of Jacob's children (may need to go back to DAR and note that change). Catherine (Brandt/Sheller) Barncord is buried at the Pfoutz Meeting House Cemetery, AKA Upper Marsh Creek Cemetery, which I understand is Brethren. I'm not sure where Richard Warren Davis comes to the conclusion of a Barncord/Brubaker connection. I had hoped to find that in Abraham's will/estate records, but so far I've not located that record. Can anyone suggest my next step? Shelly In a message dated 11/13/2013 12:04:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: Download a copy of the Richard Davis paper titled "1732 Reconstructed Census of Mennonites". He spells the name Krehbiel, and has numerous Krehbiel families listed in their towns of origin in Europe and the township they lived in Lancaster County and York County. You find additional details from Richard Davis in the January 1994 issue of Mennonite Family History, where he lists numerous early Mennonite immigrants to Pennsylvania. Should caution that Davis info has some flaws, but it is still a good source for early Mennonite family information. Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The recent discussion on the Richard Warren Davis works brings me back to a question that brought me to this list many years ago. My ancestors lived in Franklin County, PA - Known names are Barncord and Gipe, which so far hasn't led to anything definitive as far as Brethren or Mennonite connections. However, it was Davis's "Mennonites" book that made the first possible connection when he noted that Abraham Brubaker's daughter (unnamed) was married to Jacob Barncord. There were a few Jacobs in the family, but the most likely marriage would be to the one born abt. 1790, as this is the approximate year of birth of Abraham's daughter. For many years, I toyed with the idea that Jacob's wife, Catherine (see Franklin County, 1850) was Abraham's daughter, but other records suggested otherwise. I've now proven by Catherine's will that she was likely Catherine Brandt, the first wife of John Sheller, and not the mother of any of Jacob's children (may need to go back to DAR and note that change). Catherine (Brandt/Sheller) Barncord is buried at the Pfoutz Meeting House Cemetery, AKA Upper Marsh Creek Cemetery, which I understand is Brethren. I'm not sure where Richard Warren Davis comes to the conclusion of a Barncord/Brubaker connection. I had hoped to find that in Abraham's will/estate records, but so far I've not located that record. Can anyone suggest my next step? Shelly In a message dated 11/13/2013 12:04:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: Download a copy of the Richard Davis paper titled "1732 Reconstructed Census of Mennonites". He spells the name Krehbiel, and has numerous Krehbiel families listed in their towns of origin in Europe and the township they lived in Lancaster County and York County. You find additional details from Richard Davis in the January 1994 issue of Mennonite Family History, where he lists numerous early Mennonite immigrants to Pennsylvania. Should caution that Davis info has some flaws, but it is still a good source for early Mennonite family information. Bill Thomas

I appreciate the research, and conclusions. The only reason I had suggested the David Stoner, was that we had no record in Clermont or Brown/Highland Cos OH of another Stouder Family - just the wife and children of John Stouder there at Obannon. That John had a brother, David, makes things more reasonable (John -w Sarah Brown - had a son named David - who came to the Obannon - this David died about 1812). The considered David Stoner was in early Highland Co, come up from Kentucky, and he was a Brethren minister. Philip Stoner (wife Plantina Stutzman) was an early settler at Obannon - 1800 - sold and moved north in 1803 (Virginia Bounty Lands sale) (they came from the Conococheague [?Md] - to Morrisons Cove PA - to the Obannon). >From what you've said, there seems to be no record of the brother, David Stouder, after that 1776, non-enroller record in Frederick Co MD. So we do not know anything about him. He could have come to the Obannon (1795), or other nearby Brethren settlement, there just is No Record - or so far, I have not found any - yes, and soon died. The John Stouder family came to the Obannon after John's death (1807 - Cambria Co PA). The original log Obannon Church building (c1822) was in the middle of the Stouder Cemetery (a mile east of Goshen OH - a mile south of OH28). I might also note, that from my research in Kentucky, a number of Primitive Baptist Churches were originally Baptist Brethren Churches (us - our name long before we became German Baptist Brethren) - and as a result of the problems the Carolinas and Kentucky had with the Pennsylvania-Maryland Elders (1790-1820) - these "expelled" Brethren often became "Primitive Baptists" (true in Kentucky - possibly so in the Carolinas/southern Virginia?). There are a couple Primitive Baptist Churches today, one in Clermont Co OH - another in Highland Co OH - that hold the feetwashing in the full communion! (No, they hold to single immersion baptism.) I think the origin of these Primitive Baptists - in the many locations where there was a Baptist Brethren Church that "disappeared" - churches having early families that held the early Brethren family names - was that they WERE the Brethren Church, just no longer part of the "Annual Meeting" Brethren, and they accepted the incoming English Baptists, but strongly held to the New Testament "Primitive Christianity". Merle ---------------------------------------- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 4:59 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) I believe the Joseph Stouder of Fairfield County, OH, that you mention was the oldest son of David and Mary Hiestand Stouder who came to Ohio from Page County, Virginia. David and Mary Stouder's family lived in Liberty Township, Fairfield County, prior to 1806 but not earlier than 1801 (based on Pleasant Run Baptist Church records). In Virginia they were members of the Mill Creek Church, or Whitehouse Church, which were joint Mennonite and Primitive Baptist Churches. The Hiestand family was Mennonite. The Primitive Baptist Church was probably not German Baptist Brethren. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thomas Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 1:26 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) On page 151 of the History of Fairfield County, OH, is a reference to a Joseph Stouder, who was an early member of a Baptist Church in the county formed in 1832. Likely a descendent of the Stouder you refer to below, so I thought I'd pass this on. This history can be downloaded off the web. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:47 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) After giving it more thought, the argument of a single David Stauder might make more sense if one eliminates the David Stauder who married Mary Hiestand. The Hiestand family of Page County, Virginia, was mostly Mennonite rather than Brethren. The Stauders who lived on the east side of the Monocacy River, across from Creagerstown, and north of Fredericktown, were Brethren and were surrounded by Brethren families. The David Stauder who was a non-enroller, along with the John Stouder, also a non-enroller, April 11, 1776, may have been the Elder David Stauder who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church in Clermont County, Ohio, in 1795. He may have died in Ohio shortly thereafter. After John Stouder's death in 1807, his widow Sarah (Brown) Stouder and her children and her grandchildren moved to Clermont County, Ohio, and made their home there. I believe that the David Stouder who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church was truly a Stouder, and not a "Stoner" as others have suggested. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:20 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) Having spent a week or so learning more about the Stouder families, I still cannot identify the mysterious "David Stouder(s)." There are three of these mysterious "David Stouder(s)." (1) The first one is the David Stouder who with John Stouder were listed and fined, April 11, 1776, as Non-Enrollers of Frederick County, Maryland, during the Revolutionary War. (2) The second one is the David Stouder who married Mary Hiestand of Virginia (Shenandoah/Page County) in circa 1785, their family moving later to Fairfield County, Ohio. (3) The third one is the Elder, David Stouder, who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church in Clermont County, Ohio, in 1795. My thoughts are that these three David Stouders were probably one and the same. I think that John Stouder and David Stouder were brothers, sons of Christian Stouder of Frederick County, Maryland, and that they went their separate ways at or near the time that their father, Christian, died in 1792(?). We know that John Stouder moved from Maryland to Pennsylvania and died there around 1807 or 1808, and that John's widow Sarah (Brown) Stouder and her children and grandchildren moved to Clermont County, Ohio, after John's death. We also know about the Hiestand family of Virginia, but not about the David Stouder who married Mary Hiestand. Where did he come from? How did they meet? Does anyone know? Dwayne Wrightsman ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe the Joseph Stouder of Fairfield County, OH, that you mention was the oldest son of David and Mary Hiestand Stouder who came to Ohio from Page County, Virginia. David and Mary Stouder's family lived in Liberty Township, Fairfield County, prior to 1806 but not earlier than 1801 (based on Pleasant Run Baptist Church records). In Virginia they were members of the Mill Creek Church, or Whitehouse Church, which were joint Mennonite and Primitive Baptist Churches. The Hiestand family was Mennonite. The Primitive Baptist Church was probably not German Baptist Brethren. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thomas Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 1:26 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) On page 151 of the History of Fairfield County, OH, is a reference to a Joseph Stouder, who was an early member of a Baptist Church in the county formed in 1832. Likely a descendent of the Stouder you refer to below, so I thought I'd pass this on. This history can be downloaded off the web. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:47 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) After giving it more thought, the argument of a single David Stauder might make more sense if one eliminates the David Stauder who married Mary Hiestand. The Hiestand family of Page County, Virginia, was mostly Mennonite rather than Brethren. The Stauders who lived on the east side of the Monocacy River, across from Creagerstown, and north of Fredericktown, were Brethren and were surrounded by Brethren families. The David Stauder who was a non-enroller, along with the John Stouder, also a non-enroller, April 11, 1776, may have been the Elder David Stauder who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church in Clermont County, Ohio, in 1795. He may have died in Ohio shortly thereafter. After John Stouder's death in 1807, his widow Sarah (Brown) Stouder and her children and her grandchildren moved to Clermont County, Ohio, and made their home there. I believe that the David Stouder who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church was truly a Stouder, and not a "Stoner" as others have suggested. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:20 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) Having spent a week or so learning more about the Stouder families, I still cannot identify the mysterious "David Stouder(s)." There are three of these mysterious "David Stouder(s)." (1) The first one is the David Stouder who with John Stouder were listed and fined, April 11, 1776, as Non-Enrollers of Frederick County, Maryland, during the Revolutionary War. (2) The second one is the David Stouder who married Mary Hiestand of Virginia (Shenandoah/Page County) in circa 1785, their family moving later to Fairfield County, Ohio. (3) The third one is the Elder, David Stouder, who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church in Clermont County, Ohio, in 1795. My thoughts are that these three David Stouders were probably one and the same. I think that John Stouder and David Stouder were brothers, sons of Christian Stouder of Frederick County, Maryland, and that they went their separate ways at or near the time that their father, Christian, died in 1792(?). We know that John Stouder moved from Maryland to Pennsylvania and died there around 1807 or 1808, and that John's widow Sarah (Brown) Stouder and her children and grandchildren moved to Clermont County, Ohio, after John's death. We also know about the Hiestand family of Virginia, but not about the David Stouder who married Mary Hiestand. Where did he come from? How did they meet? Does anyone know? Dwayne Wrightsman

On page 151 of the History of Fairfield County, OH, is a reference to a Joseph Stouder, who was an early member of a Baptist Church in the county formed in 1832. Likely a descendent of the Stouder you refer to below, so I thought I'd pass this on. This history can be downloaded off the web. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:47 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) After giving it more thought, the argument of a single David Stauder might make more sense if one eliminates the David Stauder who married Mary Hiestand. The Hiestand family of Page County, Virginia, was mostly Mennonite rather than Brethren. The Stauders who lived on the east side of the Monocacy River, across from Creagerstown, and north of Fredericktown, were Brethren and were surrounded by Brethren families. The David Stauder who was a non-enroller, along with the John Stouder, also a non-enroller, April 11, 1776, may have been the Elder David Stauder who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church in Clermont County, Ohio, in 1795. He may have died in Ohio shortly thereafter. After John Stouder's death in 1807, his widow Sarah (Brown) Stouder and her children and her grandchildren moved to Clermont County, Ohio, and made their home there. I believe that the David Stouder who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church was truly a Stouder, and not a "Stoner" as others have suggested. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:20 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) Having spent a week or so learning more about the Stouder families, I still cannot identify the mysterious "David Stouder(s)." There are three of these mysterious "David Stouder(s)." (1) The first one is the David Stouder who with John Stouder were listed and fined, April 11, 1776, as Non-Enrollers of Frederick County, Maryland, during the Revolutionary War. (2) The second one is the David Stouder who married Mary Hiestand of Virginia (Shenandoah/Page County) in circa 1785, their family moving later to Fairfield County, Ohio. (3) The third one is the Elder, David Stouder, who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church in Clermont County, Ohio, in 1795. My thoughts are that these three David Stouders were probably one and the same. I think that John Stouder and David Stouder were brothers, sons of Christian Stouder of Frederick County, Maryland, and that they went their separate ways at or near the time that their father, Christian, died in 1792(?). We know that John Stouder moved from Maryland to Pennsylvania and died there around 1807 or 1808, and that John's widow Sarah (Brown) Stouder and her children and grandchildren moved to Clermont County, Ohio, after John's death. We also know about the Hiestand family of Virginia, but not about the David Stouder who married Mary Hiestand. Where did he come from? How did they meet? Does anyone know? Dwayne Wrightsman ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After giving it more thought, the argument of a single David Stauder might make more sense if one eliminates the David Stauder who married Mary Hiestand. The Hiestand family of Page County, Virginia, was mostly Mennonite rather than Brethren. The Stauders who lived on the east side of the Monocacy River, across from Creagerstown, and north of Fredericktown, were Brethren and were surrounded by Brethren families. The David Stauder who was a non-enroller, along with the John Stouder, also a non-enroller, April 11, 1776, may have been the Elder David Stauder who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church in Clermont County, Ohio, in 1795. He may have died in Ohio shortly thereafter. After John Stouder's death in 1807, his widow Sarah (Brown) Stouder and her children and her grandchildren moved to Clermont County, Ohio, and made their home there. I believe that the David Stouder who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church was truly a Stouder, and not a "Stoner" as others have suggested. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:20 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] The Mysterious David Stouder(s) Having spent a week or so learning more about the Stouder families, I still cannot identify the mysterious "David Stouder(s)." There are three of these mysterious "David Stouder(s)." (1) The first one is the David Stouder who with John Stouder were listed and fined, April 11, 1776, as Non-Enrollers of Frederick County, Maryland, during the Revolutionary War. (2) The second one is the David Stouder who married Mary Hiestand of Virginia (Shenandoah/Page County) in circa 1785, their family moving later to Fairfield County, Ohio. (3) The third one is the Elder, David Stouder, who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church in Clermont County, Ohio, in 1795. My thoughts are that these three David Stouders were probably one and the same. I think that John Stouder and David Stouder were brothers, sons of Christian Stouder of Frederick County, Maryland, and that they went their separate ways at or near the time that their father, Christian, died in 1792(?). We know that John Stouder moved from Maryland to Pennsylvania and died there around 1807 or 1808, and that John's widow Sarah (Brown) Stouder and her children and grandchildren moved to Clermont County, Ohio, after John's death. We also know about the Hiestand family of Virginia, but not about the David Stouder who married Mary Hiestand. Where did he come from? How did they meet? Does anyone know? Dwayne Wrightsman

From:  https://archive.org/stream/gospelmessenger143153mill/gospelmessenger143153mill_djvu.txt and https://archive.org/stream/gospelmessenger143153mill#page/n855/mode/2up/search/holler THE GOSPEL MESSENGER.— December 31, 1904.  LIFE OF ELD. GEORGE HOLLER.  The Oldest Elder of Southern Ohio.  Elder Geo. Holler, (lie subject of this sketch, whose  death occurred Dec. 3, 1904, is worthy of an extended  biography. In his passing away departed the last (with  One or two exceptions) of those early pioneer preachers  who impressed their strong personality on those who  lived in the early days of the settlement of Southern  Ohio, and who made possible the splendid group of  Brethren churches which now dot the fertile valley of  the Miami.  A few years ago, realizing that much of the early history  of our people was being lost, the writer of these lines  tried to glean from Elder Holler some of its early history,  about which one who had played so prominent a part in  the early work of the church would naturally be supposed  to be able to give an infinite amount of information. But  his memory had already begun to fail, and little could be  gathered.  Like the sturdy tree of the forest that sometimes begins  to decay first at the top, so Elder Holler, of extra strong  physique, his memory first began to fail, so that in his  last days his mind was in such a condition that he was  at times unable to recognize his most intimate friends.  Eld. George Holler was born Feb. 16, 1817, in Frederick  county, Maryland. When but a boy, six or seven, his par-  ents emigrated to Ohio, settling on the then virgin soil of  the Miami, which ever after remained the scene of his  activity. At the time of his death he was aged 87 years,  9 months and 17 days, being the oldest elder in the South-  ern District of Ohio.  He was joined in holy matrimony, Nov. 1, 1838, to  Lydia Hoffman, who has shared the joys and sorrows  of his life for more than sixty-six years. To them were  born nine children, seven boys and two girls. Two boys  preceded him to the spirit world. Two of his sons be-  came ministers. One son is now a deacon in the home  church. For more than fifty-three years he served the  Lower Miami church in the office of the ministry and eld-  - ership.  Of the various important duties which devolved upon  him in this period no record in this world was kept, and  most of those who associated with him in his prime are  passed from the stage of action. As an expository preach-  er he could not be called great, but in exhortation his re-  marks were always sympathetic and touching. He was  possessed of a remarkably strong voice which, with its  peculiar sympathetic chord, enabled him to administer  sympathy to the bereaved or discouraged in an effective  way. Many will doubtless remember in a generation past  when in time of sorrow he offered consolation at their  homes. Others will remember him as officiating at their  marriage. To many in this church he was bound by  kindred ties, so that in many ways the memory of him  and his work is bound to endure for some generations to  come.  At the time the writer of these lines was elected to  the ministry, Elder Holler was still active in church work,  and we remember on different private occasions when we  were but beginning, his commendation and appreciation,  kindly expressed, cheered us on in the Master's service.,  He also was of that number who do not tenaciously  cling to an authority once granted them by the church,  but realizing his failing physical and mental powers, a  number of years ago he resigned the oversight of this  church and had another appointed in his place.  Funeral services were conducted by brethren Daniel M.  Garver and John Bowman, from Rev. 14: 13 and 1 Cor. 15:  22. Brethren John Smith and E. Shank also made a few  remarks. These services were conducted in the church  near his home, the scene of all his active labors, after  which his body was conveyed to the adjacent cemetery  over which, owing to its proximity to his late residence,  his eyes in life must have daily wandered as he meditated  on the future destiny of man.  The large concourse of people at his funeral testified  to the grateful appreciation in which he was still held.  In his death the Lower Miami church loses her senior  elder; the Southern District of Ohio, her oldest bishop,  and the community a kind neighbor and friend. As I  close this obituary the words of the funeral text impress  me: " Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from  henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from  their labors, and their works do follow them." Though  he sleepeth, the work which he inaugurated in the Lower  Miami church stil! goes on. J. o. Garst.  Dayton, Ohio. 

Having spent a week or so learning more about the Stouder families, I still cannot identify the mysterious "David Stouder(s)." There are three of these mysterious "David Stouder(s)." (1) The first one is the David Stouder who with John Stouder were listed and fined, April 11, 1776, as Non-Enrollers of Frederick County, Maryland, during the Revolutionary War. (2) The second one is the David Stouder who married Mary Hiestand of Virginia (Shenandoah/Page County) in circa 1785, their family moving later to Fairfield County, Ohio. (3) The third one is the Elder, David Stouder, who founded the Stonelick Brethren Church in Clermont County, Ohio, in 1795. My thoughts are that these three David Stouders were probably one and the same. I think that John Stouder and David Stouder were brothers, sons of Christian Stouder of Frederick County, Maryland, and that they went their separate ways at or near the time that their father, Christian, died in 1792(?). We know that John Stouder moved from Maryland to Pennsylvania and died there around 1807 or 1808, and that John's widow Sarah (Brown) Stouder and her children and grandchildren moved to Clermont County, Ohio, after John's death. We also know about the Hiestand family of Virginia, but not about the David Stouder who married Mary Hiestand. Where did he come from? How did they meet? Does anyone know? Dwayne Wrightsman

The Brethren Heritage Center is open Monday, Wednesday, and Saturday from 10 till 4. Call them at 937-833-5222 and they will ship you The Brethren Encyclopedia set. Doug Graybill

I don't know where you live, but I am pretty sure I have seen the Brethren Encyclopedia at the Mennonite Historical Society on U.S. 30 just east of Lancaster, PA. I am sure the Brethren Historic Library in Brookville, Ohio, has a copy. With the advent of YDNA testing we have become aware of historic movement more than ever before. There is no question but that my Harter ancestor was German, buy my DNA carries markers identical to those typical of Scottish descent men. Furthermore, they now tell me I am positive for a marker identifying men of the Hallstatt Celt culture which controlled trade routes and the salt mines of central Europe from about 800 to 700 bc. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iris Wilde" <i.bridgeofhope@gmail.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] proving membership of early ancestors >I have never seen a Brethren Enclyclopedia but I would LOVE to! Where > could one find a copy of this? I have to agree with you on the errors of > some obituaries. Recently, I received a newspaper obituary that was about > my Grandmother Cripe. It had my Grandmother's name right. However, it then > said that their Father came from Scotland. There is no way this could be > the case. However, it did make me curious as to WHY this would have been > reported. I am from the Cripe descendent line of the Daniels to Jacob to > Ira, my Father. Thanks, Iris > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM, William Thomas > <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net>wrote: > >> >> Re: I'm open to considering a better solution. Never the less, I'd >> rather >> move forward with a imperfect solution than to do nothing. >> >> Everything has potential flaws in it, even historical documentation. I >> know >> in the case of my own family, the Brethren Encyclopedia has questionable >> information in it. Some of the Brethren Histories also have errors. I >> also >> have obituaries with errors and embellishments. In the end, it takes >> some >> judgment on the part of the decision makers to determine what is valid, >> what >> is questionable, and what is false. Set your objectives, establish >> standards for meeting those objectives, and move forward. We don't live >> in >> a perfect world. >> >> Bill Thomas >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Thank God for Life and Liberty > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

True, both death certificates and obits are only as good as the information given by the informant. And many informants just had to guess. Beverly Railey Robinson Sent from my iPad On Nov 14, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Iris Wilde <i.bridgeofhope@gmail.com> wrote: > I have never seen a Brethren Enclyclopedia but I would LOVE to! Where > could one find a copy of this? I have to agree with you on the errors of > some obituaries. Recently, I received a newspaper obituary that was about > my Grandmother Cripe. It had my Grandmother's name right. However, it then > said that their Father came from Scotland. There is no way this could be > the case. However, it did make me curious as to WHY this would have been > reported. I am from the Cripe descendent line of the Daniels to Jacob to > Ira, my Father. Thanks, Iris > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM, William Thomas <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net>wrote: > >> >> Re: I'm open to considering a better solution. Never the less, I'd rather >> move forward with a imperfect solution than to do nothing. >> >> Everything has potential flaws in it, even historical documentation. I >> know >> in the case of my own family, the Brethren Encyclopedia has questionable >> information in it. Some of the Brethren Histories also have errors. I >> also >> have obituaries with errors and embellishments. In the end, it takes some >> judgment on the part of the decision makers to determine what is valid, >> what >> is questionable, and what is false. Set your objectives, establish >> standards for meeting those objectives, and move forward. We don't live in >> a perfect world. >> >> Bill Thomas >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Thank God for Life and Liberty > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Beverly, I went to www.worldcat.org and put in Brethren Encyclopedia. It listed six libraries within 25 miles that have copies. I splurged and bought my own. It consists of four volumes. Maxine Driscoll in California -----Original Message----- From: Beverly Robinson Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:27 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] proving membership of early ancestors True, both death certificates and obits are only as good as the information given by the informant. And many informants just had to guess. Beverly Railey Robinson Sent from my iPad On Nov 14, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Iris Wilde <i.bridgeofhope@gmail.com> wrote: > I have never seen a Brethren Enclyclopedia but I would LOVE to! Where > could one find a copy of this? I have to agree with you on the errors of > some obituaries. Recently, I received a newspaper obituary that was about > my Grandmother Cripe. It had my Grandmother's name right. However, it then > said that their Father came from Scotland. There is no way this could be > the case. However, it did make me curious as to WHY this would have been > reported. I am from the Cripe descendent line of the Daniels to Jacob to > Ira, my Father. Thanks, Iris > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM, William Thomas > <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net>wrote: > >> >> Re: I'm open to considering a better solution. Never the less, I'd >> rather >> move forward with a imperfect solution than to do nothing. >> >> Everything has potential flaws in it, even historical documentation. I >> know >> in the case of my own family, the Brethren Encyclopedia has questionable >> information in it. Some of the Brethren Histories also have errors. I >> also >> have obituaries with errors and embellishments. In the end, it takes >> some >> judgment on the part of the decision makers to determine what is valid, >> what >> is questionable, and what is false. Set your objectives, establish >> standards for meeting those objectives, and move forward. We don't live >> in >> a perfect world. >> >> Bill Thomas >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Thank God for Life and Liberty > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have never seen a Brethren Enclyclopedia but I would LOVE to! Where could one find a copy of this? I have to agree with you on the errors of some obituaries. Recently, I received a newspaper obituary that was about my Grandmother Cripe. It had my Grandmother's name right. However, it then said that their Father came from Scotland. There is no way this could be the case. However, it did make me curious as to WHY this would have been reported. I am from the Cripe descendent line of the Daniels to Jacob to Ira, my Father. Thanks, Iris On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM, William Thomas <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net>wrote: > > Re: I'm open to considering a better solution. Never the less, I'd rather > move forward with a imperfect solution than to do nothing. > > Everything has potential flaws in it, even historical documentation. I > know > in the case of my own family, the Brethren Encyclopedia has questionable > information in it. Some of the Brethren Histories also have errors. I > also > have obituaries with errors and embellishments. In the end, it takes some > judgment on the part of the decision makers to determine what is valid, > what > is questionable, and what is false. Set your objectives, establish > standards for meeting those objectives, and move forward. We don't live in > a perfect world. > > Bill Thomas > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Thank God for Life and Liberty