The Michael Miller book explains about the land Michael Miller provided supposedly for his step daughter married to Jacob Good. ? This was a site I use to use for land records, which had the location and description of several of the Good family land parcels, but I notice now that it is a dead link. ?Anyone know if they were put elsewhere? ? http://midatlantic.rootsweb.ancestry.com/MD/washington/plats/NewTable.html But, Kim, neither of these Jacob Goods were the father of your Anna Christina (Good) Huber. I'm not collecting information on the Hubers but just tracing the Good/Guth links. Richard

This is a old email for 1998 to the Brethren List. Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:24:07 -0400 From: "J. M. Freed" <jmfreed@midohio.net> To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <003d01bdddfc$f7e7c2a0$33ce33d1@jmfreed.midohio.net> Subject: Conway Springs, KS COB Membership Lists Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ruth asked about membership lists in the Conway Springs (Slate Creek) Church of the Brethren in Sumner County, Kansas. Jan T. provided information from Craik's History of the Church of the Brethren in Kansas. Since the ministerial list provided names of four of my relatives [Daniel Meyers (also spelled Myers) was my g.g.grandfather, William Smith was my great grandfather, and Albert J. Smith and Emanuel Jeston Smith were sons of William and sisters of my grandmother], I started searching my files and DID find a partial membership list of this congregation. It reminds me that I should ALWAYS look at lists twice, because I found the name of my great grandfather, Henry Moyers (Myers,) on the list as well., which I had NOT noticed before. The photocopy of the ten-page membership list that I have includes: "Names of all the members, May 15, 1890", "Names of all received into fellowship after May 15th, 1890" which ends in October 1896; "Names of those who have recommended, and of those disfellowshipped, after May 15, 1890" which ends in December 1896 "Deaths", which includes deaths from Oct. 10, 1890 to April 10, 1897. I do NOT know if the above is all the extant membership lists; the page numbers on these handwritten pages begin with155 and ends perhaps on page 168 (no page # on the "Deaths" page, but the prior page is page 167). The person in Wichita, Kansas who provided me with the photocopies indicated that McPherson College holds the original records. She also submitted some (all?) of the records for publication in the Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists Newsletter, appearing in Vol. 15, #2, Summer 1983. Ruth asked about the families of John Wise, J.J. McMillan and F. C. Walker (Wacker). The May 15, 1890 membership list does not contain any of these family names. In other lists are included the following names and comments: July 13, 1890, David Wise recd by letter Feb. 14th, 1891, Daniel Wise reclaimed Feb 18th, 1891, Olivia Wise, (Daniels wife) reclaimed Nov. 15th, 1891, Letter given to Permelia McMillen Nov. 9, 1895, Elder John and sister Nancy Wise received by letter [Note: ordinarily, at this time, the term "sister" would not indicate a sibling, but the wife of Elder John Wise, and probably does mean "wife" here. The term "Sister" is used infrequently on these lists, except for the lists of deaths.] Nov. 7, 1894, Letter granted to Elder John Wise and wife. Feb. 9, 1895, Letter granted to Daniel Wise & wife. [NOTE: I cannot explain the discrepancy in dates for John Wise and wife; the "received by letter" is definitely within the 1895 dates, and in another section that lists letters given, John Wise is definitely listed under 1894. Perhaps they "came and went" twice, with these lists being incomplete. It's interesting to me to see my grandmother's name and that of her father, Florence and William Smith, as received by letter, and letter granted, both the same day, Nov. 9, 1893. However, this apparent discrepancy may have just been "catching up" on Membership records.] Sorry, Ruth, no mention of the Walker (Wacker) family name on these lists. As I looked through the list, I recognize many family names which are Being studied by individuals on this Brethren Roots Group. These include in Order of first mention (and the list below is NOT inclusive): Arnold, Beckner, Bussard, Eikenberry, Frantz, Fasnacht, Funk, Grove Grove, Garst, Holloway, Landis, Leatherman, Miller, Neher, Nininger, Overholser, Pritchard, Stoner, Seese, Troxel, Ullery, Wolf, Zook, Pontius, Firestone, Pippinger, Ebersole, Wine, Skiles, Frances, Garst, Stanly, Overholt, Cripe If any reader is interested in the given names and dates and actions of the above, please send an email request DIRECTLY TO ME (NOT THIS LIST) at jmfeed@midohio.net , and I'll attempt to respond directly. Photocopy requests should go to a source (e.g., library) which has a copy of the FOBG Newsletter, or if interested in the original handwritten lists to: Brethren Archives at the Miller Library, McPherson College, McPherson, KS 67460. I'd recommend sending a couple of $, and a SASE to the Miller Library to partially cover their expenses. --Jim Freed, Delaware, OH-- jmfreed@midohio.net In a message dated 12/08/13 14:55:36 Pacific Standard Time, raggs@cox.net writes: Elder John was part of a Church of the Brethern in Conway Springs, KS in the early 1900's but that is about all I know. -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of winter dellenbach Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 3:52 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethern settling in Illinois and/or Kansas One last thing I meant to include - was there a Brethren colony/ settlement/church established in Sumner Co and when? winter On Dec 8, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Andrea Colley wrote: > I hope I've done this correctly, but I'm trying to find out why my GGG > Grandfather Elder John Wise left the Ten Mile Creek Congregation in > Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/ > Vandalia area. Later Elder John and his son David Mathias moved to > Sumner County Kansas but I haven't been able to identify any reason > for the move other than homesteading. > > I'm assuming that they travelled the Cumberland Road since it passed > through western PA and ended in Vandalia. > > I am also unable to find where David Mathias' first wife, Martha > Louise is buried and if Elder John had any involvement in the church > in Illinois. I do know that he attended many annual meetings serving > as moderator or reader. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Andrea Wise Kidd Colley > > > ------------------------ Search the > Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Ruth! Elder John didn't join the land rush though, did he? It's neat that we have the same GGG grandfather. I have been having computer trouble and lost your address. I'm using my husband's now until my new one is set up. Hopefully I'll be able to open up the Words to the Wise newsletters. ac -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Hoese Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:46 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethern settling in Illinois and/or Kansas I know for a fact my 3ggrandfather Elder John Wise did farm in KS, and his son in law my great, great grandfather JJ MCMillian, along with his son in law my great grandfather Fred Walker, in fact did join the land rush and have recorded property rights from that land rush. I don't have the dates on the records as I have filed the scans away on this computer and cannot find them right this minute. I believe McMillian passed his land on to a son, but I do not remember which one, although I met one of that sons descendants some time ago. In the Words to the Wise newsletter quite a few years ago I printed this excerpt from a letter concerning how the farm was doing, I have not located my transcript of that letter either, but will try to find it and post it. I find it sweet and charming and keep reminding myself of the beginning of the letter - Times are good here. /Times are good here. You wanted to know what I am working at. I am not working I am going to school. I will complete the business course in about five weeks, and then I don't know what I will do, but I am going to try to get a place somewhere....We have had an awful pleasant winter here, we haven't had enough snow to make a good snow ball. // /He goes on to talk about the wheat or corn harvest - Excerpt from a letter to Anna Belle Walker from her cousin John W. Wise of Conway Springs, KS March 4, 1901. Ruth Hoese / / Excerpt from a letter to Anna Belle Walker from her cousin John W. Wise of Conway Springs, KS March 4, 1901 Ruth Hoese On 12/8/2013 3:50 PM, winter dellenbach wrote: > Look at the date. The date of big moves can lead you to the reason or > to an intelligent conjecture once you look up what was happening in > the area for just prior and at the time in the place they moved. A RR > opened? Land opened? Sumner Co. KS is in S. KS and a good place to > wait for what was then the OK Territory to open to non-Native > settlement. The OK Land Rush of 1889 for instance. Some of my > ancestors went to Sumner Co. and then rode in the Land Rush - a good > launching point. There were a number of years of Grover Cleveland > making up his mind to open OK (and break yet another treaty with > Natives) so people assumed it would open up. > So - go back to dates and go from there. \ Winter On Dec 8, 2013, at > 12:55 PM, Andrea Colley wrote: > >> I hope I've done this correctly, but I'm trying to find out why my >> GGG Grandfather Elder John Wise left the Ten Mile Creek Congregation >> in Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/ >> Vandalia area. Later Elder John and his son David Mathias moved to >> Sumner County Kansas but I haven't been able to identify any reason >> for the move other than homesteading. >> >> I'm assuming that they travelled the Cumberland Road since it passed >> through western PA and ended in Vandalia. >> >> I am also unable to find where David Mathias' first wife, Martha >> Louise is buried and if Elder John had any involvement in the church >> in Illinois. I do know that he attended many annual meetings serving >> as moderator or reader. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Andrea Wise Kidd Colley >> >> >> ------------------------ Search the >> Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > ------------------------ Search the > Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know for a fact my 3ggrandfather Elder John Wise did farm in KS, and his son in law my great, great grandfather JJ MCMillian, along with his son in law my great grandfather Fred Walker, in fact did join the land rush and have recorded property rights from that land rush. I don't have the dates on the records as I have filed the scans away on this computer and cannot find them right this minute. I believe McMillian passed his land on to a son, but I do not remember which one, although I met one of that sons descendants some time ago. In the Words to the Wise newsletter quite a few years ago I printed this excerpt from a letter concerning how the farm was doing, I have not located my transcript of that letter either, but will try to find it and post it. I find it sweet and charming and keep reminding myself of the beginning of the letter - Times are good here. /Times are good here. You wanted to know what I am working at. I am not working I am going to school. I will complete the business course in about five weeks, and then I don't know what I will do, but I am going to try to get a place somewhere....We have had an awful pleasant winter here, we haven't had enough snow to make a good snow ball. // /He goes on to talk about the wheat or corn harvest - Excerpt from a letter to Anna Belle Walker from her cousin John W. Wise of Conway Springs, KS March 4, 1901. Ruth Hoese / / Excerpt from a letter to Anna Belle Walker from her cousin John W. Wise of Conway Springs, KS March 4, 1901 Ruth Hoese On 12/8/2013 3:50 PM, winter dellenbach wrote: > Look at the date. The date of big moves can lead you to the reason or > to an intelligent conjecture once you look up what was happening in > the area for just prior and at the time in the place they moved. A RR > opened? Land opened? Sumner Co. KS is in S. KS and a good place to > wait for what was then the OK Territory to open to non-Native > settlement. The OK Land Rush of 1889 for instance. Some of my > ancestors went to Sumner Co. and then rode in the Land Rush - a good > launching point. There were a number of years of Grover Cleveland > making up his mind to open OK (and break yet another treaty with > Natives) so people assumed it would open up. > So - go back to dates and go from there. \ > Winter > On Dec 8, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Andrea Colley wrote: > >> I hope I've done this correctly, but I'm trying to find out why my GGG >> Grandfather Elder John Wise left the Ten Mile Creek Congregation in >> Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/ >> Vandalia >> area. Later Elder John and his son David Mathias moved to Sumner >> County >> Kansas but I haven't been able to identify any reason for the move >> other >> than homesteading. >> >> I'm assuming that they travelled the Cumberland Road since it passed >> through >> western PA and ended in Vandalia. >> >> I am also unable to find where David Mathias' first wife, Martha >> Louise is >> buried and if Elder John had any involvement in the church in >> Illinois. I >> do know that he attended many annual meetings serving as moderator or >> reader. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Andrea Wise Kidd Colley >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the help. I need to establish a timeline for them starting in Washington County and go from there. I'll keep you posted. I think there were a lot of Brethren in this area at one time. -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of winter dellenbach Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 3:51 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethern settling in Illinois and/or Kansas Look at the date. The date of big moves can lead you to the reason or to an intelligent conjecture once you look up what was happening in the area for just prior and at the time in the place they moved. A RR opened? Land opened? Sumner Co. KS is in S. KS and a good place to wait for what was then the OK Territory to open to non-Native settlement. The OK Land Rush of 1889 for instance. Some of my ancestors went to Sumner Co. and then rode in the Land Rush - a good launching point. There were a number of years of Grover Cleveland making up his mind to open OK (and break yet another treaty with Natives) so people assumed it would open up. So - go back to dates and go from there. \ Winter On Dec 8, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Andrea Colley wrote: > I hope I've done this correctly, but I'm trying to find out why my GGG > Grandfather Elder John Wise left the Ten Mile Creek Congregation in > Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/ > Vandalia area. Later Elder John and his son David Mathias moved to > Sumner County Kansas but I haven't been able to identify any reason > for the move other than homesteading. > > I'm assuming that they travelled the Cumberland Road since it passed > through western PA and ended in Vandalia. > > I am also unable to find where David Mathias' first wife, Martha > Louise is buried and if Elder John had any involvement in the church > in Illinois. I do know that he attended many annual meetings serving > as moderator or reader. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Andrea Wise Kidd Colley > > > ------------------------ Search the > Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elder John was part of a Church of the Brethern in Conway Springs, KS in the early 1900's but that is about all I know. -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of winter dellenbach Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 3:52 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethern settling in Illinois and/or Kansas One last thing I meant to include - was there a Brethren colony/ settlement/church established in Sumner Co and when? winter On Dec 8, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Andrea Colley wrote: > I hope I've done this correctly, but I'm trying to find out why my GGG > Grandfather Elder John Wise left the Ten Mile Creek Congregation in > Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/ > Vandalia area. Later Elder John and his son David Mathias moved to > Sumner County Kansas but I haven't been able to identify any reason > for the move other than homesteading. > > I'm assuming that they travelled the Cumberland Road since it passed > through western PA and ended in Vandalia. > > I am also unable to find where David Mathias' first wife, Martha > Louise is buried and if Elder John had any involvement in the church > in Illinois. I do know that he attended many annual meetings serving > as moderator or reader. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Andrea Wise Kidd Colley > > > ------------------------ Search the > Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope I've done this correctly, but I'm trying to find out why my GGG Grandfather Elder John Wise left the Ten Mile Creek Congregation in Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/Vandalia area. Later Elder John and his son David Mathias moved to Sumner County Kansas but I haven't been able to identify any reason for the move other than homesteading. I'm assuming that they travelled the Cumberland Road since it passed through western PA and ended in Vandalia. I am also unable to find where David Mathias' first wife, Martha Louise is buried and if Elder John had any involvement in the church in Illinois. I do know that he attended many annual meetings serving as moderator or reader. Any help would be appreciated. Andrea Wise Kidd Colley

Some names in Allegheny Passage came to early Kentucky. George Tarvin, minister, of Hampshire Co VA, came to Limestone (now Maysville KY) before 1800. Another name that I found in Allegheny Passage was that of Crayfelt (which is listed in Kentucky as Craycraft). These families moved west along the Ohio River, as far as Campbell Co (Tarvin children were earliest members at the 12 Mile Baptist Church [Ohio River, southern Campbell Co] - I did not find any come as far as Newport-Covington KY). Some members of these families crossed the Ohio River into Southern Ohio - into Adams, Brown, Clermont and Scioto Cos - many ending up in Highland Co (Dunker Ridge [Sinking Spring - on the Zane Trace - OH41] or New Vienna). Those coming to Portsmouth (Scioto River - Scioto Co) were often from Virginia - but I have not traced all of them. The Portsmouth area was a major Mound Indian Center. Very old Mound Indian Roads go north from there (near 2000 years) - some up the Scioto River (US23) to Mound City (Chillicothe OH) and on (OH159-OH37) to the Mound Builders Memorial (at Newark OH), one especially, going northwest (OH73) to the Serpent Mound Memorial (Adams Co - just south of Dunker Ridge) and on through New Vienna OH to the Fort Ancient Memorial (near Lebanon OH). These were in active use, and the Brethren followed them. There was a large early Brethren Settlement at New Vienna, our very first Brethren College was there (lasted about 2 years, during the Civil War). I have done little research on New Vienna or its families. I know of no Brethren churches remaining there. I could find little on it in the Southern Ohio Histories. I have driven on "College Street" in New Vienna, a remembrance of the college (intentionally - it intersects off OH73 in town - just to please myself). The Kanawha Trace (following the Shawnee Indian WarPath through the Appalachian Mountains from near Franklin Co VA) crossed the Ohio River at Galliipolis OH (1804), (only a few years after Gallipolis was established -a refuge for surviving nobility of the French Revolution). Some Brethren families that came down the Ohio river, stopped there, and most of them came west from there, some to Highland Co, but others to near Dayton OH, and still others, on west into Indiana Territory. Merle C Rummel ---------------------------------------- In general, where did the families settle as they went west? I'm looking for Brethren who settled in eastern Ohio.

Just a few comments and clarifications on Richard's response below. - Just to clarify, I didn't make the connection between the Jacob Good of 1797, and the Huber's....that was Kim's comments. - My comments related to my sources was confusing. My Gerber connection was from the Gerber genealogical source, not Mr. Bell's early 20th century book. Mr. Bell's book was my source of Jacob's children and spouses. -Mr. Bell's book notes that there were two related Good families in Maryland, which works with Richard's comments on the additional Jacob Good. However, Bell does not provide any details on the 2nd family, other than it was a brother of Jacob. -There was a Jacob Good who lived on Beaver Creek (tributary of Pequea Creek), that lived adjacent a Huber family, but no known connection that I am aware of with the Jacob Good from my email, but that was an area of early Mennonite settlement. -The point of my email was to show the connections between the Good family and those families associated with the ship Hope. It was not intended to be a thorough discussion on Good genealogy. -Richard is correct in pointing out conflicts with mine or anyone else's genealogical information. Trust but verify is a good philosophy to follow in genealogy, to avoid heading down the wrong road. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: James Shuman Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 12:12 AM To: "“brethren-rootsweb.com”" Subject: [BRE] Jacob Good/Guth family confusion Sent on behalf of rricabee@aol.com, who has been having trouble getting messages posted: Bill Thomas and Kim: I just read some posts you've made in the past few days and have to respectively disagree with several statements presented as facts. First, the Jacob Good who Bill writes about had a daughter "Anna" who did marry Peter Longnecker, as he correctly noted, but she was not the same Anna Christina Good who married Jacob Huber/Hoover, Kim's ancestor. Neither was Anna Christina a sister of Anna. The will of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD lists among his children the daughter Anna who married Peter Longenecker but not Mrs. Huber/Hoover. Neither do I believe that the "first" wife of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD was likely Elizabeth Gerber. The wife listed in his will is Barbara, and even though some claim her as a second wife, which I believe is likely correct as she had children by a prior marriage, and by their dates of birth it is apparent she was not the mother of many of the children of this Jacob Good, even though later she was his wife. I ! believe it was a different Jacob Good who married Elizabeth Gerber and lived for a time in Washington Co. MD but did not die there. The Elizabeth Gerber who married Jacob Good is claimed by others as moving to Virginia, where he died, and dates and circumstances involving his location lead me to believe this is correct. This error in connecting the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland with Elizabeth Gerber goes way back in time over 100 years ago, when Mr. Bell placed this in his book on Leitersburg I believe. There were land transactions whereby Michael Miller, step-father of Elizabeth Gerber transferred land to his stepdaughter and her husband, Jacob Good. This was very likely the source Mr. Bell used to make this connection, unless there were intermediate parties. But what they didn't know was that there was likely more than one Jacob Good living in the same area in Washington Co. Maryland, probably at the same time, and I believe the two were first cousins. It seems the one who moved to Virginia was a Brethren elder, and the one who remained in Washington Co. MD was claimed as Mennonite, though most of the children of the latter did join the Brethren church after their marriages. The youngest two sons were Lutheran and Mennonite. The only one who remained Mennonite t! hat I recall was the son who remained in Washington Co. MD after his father's death. Anna Christina Good was not a daughter of the Brethren Jacob Good either as they were born very close in years. Probably 95% or more of the on-line posts on the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland have errors in them, either as to his parentage, his date of birth, his wive's names, or the names of his children. The latter are easily ascertainable from the will he left, and the names of the children Bill Thomas supplies are all correct there. Except he may not have noted that Kim's Anna Christina (Good) Huber was not among the children listed. Richard James Shuman, Brethren List co-moderator jshuman@telis.org ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One last thing I meant to include - was there a Brethren colony/ settlement/church established in Sumner Co and when? winter On Dec 8, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Andrea Colley wrote: > I hope I've done this correctly, but I'm trying to find out why my GGG > Grandfather Elder John Wise left the Ten Mile Creek Congregation in > Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/ > Vandalia > area. Later Elder John and his son David Mathias moved to Sumner > County > Kansas but I haven't been able to identify any reason for the move > other > than homesteading. > > I'm assuming that they travelled the Cumberland Road since it passed > through > western PA and ended in Vandalia. > > I am also unable to find where David Mathias' first wife, Martha > Louise is > buried and if Elder John had any involvement in the church in > Illinois. I > do know that he attended many annual meetings serving as moderator or > reader. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Andrea Wise Kidd Colley > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Look at the date. The date of big moves can lead you to the reason or to an intelligent conjecture once you look up what was happening in the area for just prior and at the time in the place they moved. A RR opened? Land opened? Sumner Co. KS is in S. KS and a good place to wait for what was then the OK Territory to open to non-Native settlement. The OK Land Rush of 1889 for instance. Some of my ancestors went to Sumner Co. and then rode in the Land Rush - a good launching point. There were a number of years of Grover Cleveland making up his mind to open OK (and break yet another treaty with Natives) so people assumed it would open up. So - go back to dates and go from there. \ Winter On Dec 8, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Andrea Colley wrote: > I hope I've done this correctly, but I'm trying to find out why my GGG > Grandfather Elder John Wise left the Ten Mile Creek Congregation in > Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/ > Vandalia > area. Later Elder John and his son David Mathias moved to Sumner > County > Kansas but I haven't been able to identify any reason for the move > other > than homesteading. > > I'm assuming that they travelled the Cumberland Road since it passed > through > western PA and ended in Vandalia. > > I am also unable to find where David Mathias' first wife, Martha > Louise is > buried and if Elder John had any involvement in the church in > Illinois. I > do know that he attended many annual meetings serving as moderator or > reader. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Andrea Wise Kidd Colley > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

In general, where did the families settle as they went west? I'm looking for Brethren who settled in eastern Ohio. Thanks, Pat

Hi- I'd be very interested in any Hoover data- my 2nd Great-grandmother was Susan Hoover Brumbaugh. Thanks, Ken > From: DESloan@aol.com > Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 00:41:56 -0500 > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Good/Guth family confusion > > Jacob Huber/Hoover m. 1744 Anna Christina (Good) (Godde) Guth is my 1st > cousin 6 times removed. I have some information on the Huber/Hoover line that > I am always willing to share. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > > In a message dated 12/7/2013 12:20:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jshuman@telis.org writes: > > Sent on behalf of rricabee@aol.com, who has been having trouble getting > messages posted: > > > Bill Thomas and Kim: > > > I just read some posts you've made in the past few days and have to > respectively disagree with several statements presented as facts. First, the > Jacob Good who Bill writes about had a daughter "Anna" who did marry Peter > Longnecker, as he correctly noted, but she was not the same Anna Christina > Good who married Jacob Huber/Hoover, Kim's ancestor. Neither was Anna > Christina a sister of Anna. The will of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. > MD lists among his children the daughter Anna who married Peter > Longenecker but not Mrs. Huber/Hoover. Neither do I believe that the "first" wife > of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD was likely Elizabeth > Gerber. The wife listed in his will is Barbara, and even though some claim her > as a second wife, which I believe is likely correct as she had children by > a prior marriage, and by their dates of birth it is apparent she was not > the mother of many of the children of this Jacob Good, even though later she > was his wife. I ! > believe it was a different Jacob Good who married Elizabeth Gerber and > lived for a time in Washington Co. MD but did not die there. The Elizabeth > Gerber who married Jacob Good is claimed by others as moving to Virginia, > where he died, and dates and circumstances involving his location lead me to > believe this is correct. > > This error in connecting the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. > Maryland with Elizabeth Gerber goes way back in time over 100 years ago, > when Mr. Bell placed this in his book on Leitersburg I believe. There were > land transactions whereby Michael Miller, step-father of Elizabeth Gerber > transferred land to his stepdaughter and her husband, Jacob Good. This was > very likely the source Mr. Bell used to make this connection, unless there > were intermediate parties. But what they didn't know was that there was > likely more than one Jacob Good living in the same area in Washington Co. > Maryland, probably at the same time, and I believe the two were first cousins. > It seems the one who moved to Virginia was a Brethren elder, and the one > who remained in Washington Co. MD was claimed as Mennonite, though most of > the children of the latter did join the Brethren church after their > marriages. The youngest two sons were Lutheran and Mennonite. The only one who > remained Mennonite t! > hat I recall was the son who remained in Washington Co. MD after his > father's death. Anna Christina Good was not a daughter of the Brethren Jacob > Good either as they were born very close in years. > > Probably 95% or more of the on-line posts on the Jacob Good who died in > 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland have errors in them, either as to his > parentage, his date of birth, his wive's names, or the names of his children. The > latter are easily ascertainable from the will he left, and the names of > the children Bill Thomas supplies are all correct there. Except he may not > have noted that Kim's Anna Christina (Good) Huber was not among the children > listed. > > > Richard > > > > James Shuman, Brethren List co-moderator > jshuman@telis.org > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dave, Jacob & Anna Christina's son Martin is my 5th grandpa. Please share anything you have on any of this clan. Thanks! Have a good day, Kim Armstrong Send a card and a smile _www.sendoutcards.com/101614_ (http://www.sendoutcards.com/101614) In a message dated 12/7/2013 10:31:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: Jacob Huber/Hoover m. 1744 Anna Christina (Good) (Godde) Guth is my 1st > cousin 6 times removed. I have some information on the Huber/Hoover line that > I am always willing to share. > > Thanks, > Dave

Ken, What was your Grandfather's name. Where and when were they born? When and where did they marry? When and where did they die? Do you know anything about her parents? Thanks, Dave In a message dated 12/7/2013 9:57:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khkensinger@hotmail.com writes: Hi- I'd be very interested in any Hoover data- my 2nd Great-grandmother was Susan Hoover Brumbaugh. Thanks, Ken > From: DESloan@aol.com > Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 00:41:56 -0500 > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Good/Guth family confusion > > Jacob Huber/Hoover m. 1744 Anna Christina (Good) (Godde) Guth is my 1st > cousin 6 times removed. I have some information on the Huber/Hoover line that > I am always willing to share. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > > In a message dated 12/7/2013 12:20:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jshuman@telis.org writes: > > Sent on behalf of rricabee@aol.com, who has been having trouble getting > messages posted: > > > Bill Thomas and Kim: > > > I just read some posts you've made in the past few days and have to > respectively disagree with several statements presented as facts. First, the > Jacob Good who Bill writes about had a daughter "Anna" who did marry Peter > Longnecker, as he correctly noted, but she was not the same Anna Christina > Good who married Jacob Huber/Hoover, Kim's ancestor. Neither was Anna > Christina a sister of Anna. The will of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. > MD lists among his children the daughter Anna who married Peter > Longenecker but not Mrs. Huber/Hoover. Neither do I believe that the "first" wife > of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD was likely Elizabeth > Gerber. The wife listed in his will is Barbara, and even though some claim her > as a second wife, which I believe is likely correct as she had children by > a prior marriage, and by their dates of birth it is apparent she was not > the mother of many of the children of this Jacob Good, even though later she > was his wife. I ! > believe it was a different Jacob Good who married Elizabeth Gerber and > lived for a time in Washington Co. MD but did not die there. The Elizabeth > Gerber who married Jacob Good is claimed by others as moving to Virginia, > where he died, and dates and circumstances involving his location lead me to > believe this is correct. > > This error in connecting the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. > Maryland with Elizabeth Gerber goes way back in time over 100 years ago, > when Mr. Bell placed this in his book on Leitersburg I believe. There were > land transactions whereby Michael Miller, step-father of Elizabeth Gerber > transferred land to his stepdaughter and her husband, Jacob Good. This was > very likely the source Mr. Bell used to make this connection, unless there > were intermediate parties. But what they didn't know was that there was > likely more than one Jacob Good living in the same area in Washington Co. > Maryland, probably at the same time, and I believe the two were first cousins. > It seems the one who moved to Virginia was a Brethren elder, and the one > who remained in Washington Co. MD was claimed as Mennonite, though most of > the children of the latter did join the Brethren church after their > marriages. The youngest two sons were Lutheran and Mennonite. The only one who > remained Mennonite t! > hat I recall was the son who remained in Washington Co. MD after his > father's death. Anna Christina Good was not a daughter of the Brethren Jacob > Good either as they were born very close in years. > > Probably 95% or more of the on-line posts on the Jacob Good who died in > 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland have errors in them, either as to his > parentage, his date of birth, his wive's names, or the names of his children. The > latter are easily ascertainable from the will he left, and the names of > the children Bill Thomas supplies are all correct there. Except he may not > have noted that Kim's Anna Christina (Good) Huber was not among the children > listed. > > > Richard > > > > James Shuman, Brethren List co-moderator > jshuman@telis.org > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where did her people live? Do you (or can you) trace your line to the entries in the Brethren Encyclopedia? I plan to visit the York Co. Historical Society after the first of the year. I expect to find information then. Carol -----Original Message----- From: k. kensinger <khkensinger@hotmail.com> To: Church of the Brethren <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 7, 2013 9:57 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Good/Guth family confusion Hi- I'd be very interested in any Hoover data- my 2nd Great-grandmother was Susan Hoover Brumbaugh. Thanks, Ken > From: DESloan@aol.com > Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 00:41:56 -0500 > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Good/Guth family confusion > > Jacob Huber/Hoover m. 1744 Anna Christina (Good) (Godde) Guth is my 1st > cousin 6 times removed. I have some information on the Huber/Hoover line that > I am always willing to share. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > > In a message dated 12/7/2013 12:20:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jshuman@telis.org writes: > > Sent on behalf of rricabee@aol.com, who has been having trouble getting > messages posted: > > > Bill Thomas and Kim: > > > I just read some posts you've made in the past few days and have to > respectively disagree with several statements presented as facts. First, the > Jacob Good who Bill writes about had a daughter "Anna" who did marry Peter > Longnecker, as he correctly noted, but she was not the same Anna Christina > Good who married Jacob Huber/Hoover, Kim's ancestor. Neither was Anna > Christina a sister of Anna. The will of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. > MD lists among his children the daughter Anna who married Peter > Longenecker but not Mrs. Huber/Hoover. Neither do I believe that the "first" wife > of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD was likely Elizabeth > Gerber. The wife listed in his will is Barbara, and even though some claim her > as a second wife, which I believe is likely correct as she had children by > a prior marriage, and by their dates of birth it is apparent she was not > the mother of many of the children of this Jacob Good, even though later she > was his wife. I ! > believe it was a different Jacob Good who married Elizabeth Gerber and > lived for a time in Washington Co. MD but did not die there. The Elizabeth > Gerber who married Jacob Good is claimed by others as moving to Virginia, > where he died, and dates and circumstances involving his location lead me to > believe this is correct. > > This error in connecting the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. > Maryland with Elizabeth Gerber goes way back in time over 100 years ago, > when Mr. Bell placed this in his book on Leitersburg I believe. There were > land transactions whereby Michael Miller, step-father of Elizabeth Gerber > transferred land to his stepdaughter and her husband, Jacob Good. This was > very likely the source Mr. Bell used to make this connection, unless there > were intermediate parties. But what they didn't know was that there was > likely more than one Jacob Good living in the same area in Washington Co. > Maryland, probably at the same time, and I believe the two were first cousins. > It seems the one who moved to Virginia was a Brethren elder, and the one > who remained in Washington Co. MD was claimed as Mennonite, though most of > the children of the latter did join the Brethren church after their > marriages. The youngest two sons were Lutheran and Mennonite. The only one who > remained Mennonite t! > hat I recall was the son who remained in Washington Co. MD after his > father's death. Anna Christina Good was not a daughter of the Brethren Jacob > Good either as they were born very close in years. > > Probably 95% or more of the on-line posts on the Jacob Good who died in > 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland have errors in them, either as to his > parentage, his date of birth, his wive's names, or the names of his children. The > latter are easily ascertainable from the will he left, and the names of > the children Bill Thomas supplies are all correct there. Except he may not > have noted that Kim's Anna Christina (Good) Huber was not among the children > listed. > > > Richard > > > > James Shuman, Brethren List co-moderator > jshuman@telis.org > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard, Thanks for your insights, this may explain a lot. Can you provide the source information for the land transaction between Michael Miller & Elizabeth Gerber/Jacob Good? Have a good day, Kim Armstrong Send a card and a smile _www.sendoutcards.com/101614_ (http://www.sendoutcards.com/101614) In a message dated 12/7/2013 3:12:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: This error in connecting the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland with Elizabeth Gerber goes way back in time over 100 years ago, when Mr. Bell placed this in his book on Leitersburg I believe. There were land transactions whereby Michael Miller, step-father of Elizabeth Gerber transferred land to his stepdaughter and her husband, Jacob Good. This was very likely the source Mr. Bell used to make this connection, unless there were intermediate parties. But what they didn't know was that there was likely more than one Jacob Good living in the same area in Washington Co. Maryland, probably at the same time, and I believe the two were first cousins. It seems the one who moved to Virginia was a Brethren elder, and the one who remained in Washington Co. MD was claimed as Mennonite, though most of the children of the latter did join the Brethren church after their marriages. The youngest two sons were Lutheran and Mennonite. The only one who remained Mennonite t! hat I recall was the son who remained in Washington Co. MD after his father's death. Anna Christina Good was not a daughter of the Brethren Jacob Good either as they were born very close in years.

That is a great post. I wonder if this is the Good family that settled in Wheeling WV? Beverly Railey Robinson Sent from my iPad On Dec 7, 2013, at 12:12 AM, James Shuman <jshuman@telis.org> wrote: > Sent on behalf of rricabee@aol.com, who has been having trouble getting messages posted: > > > Bill Thomas and Kim: > > > I just read some posts you've made in the past few days and have to respectively disagree with several statements presented as facts. First, the Jacob Good who Bill writes about had a daughter "Anna" who did marry Peter Longnecker, as he correctly noted, but she was not the same Anna Christina Good who married Jacob Huber/Hoover, Kim's ancestor. Neither was Anna Christina a sister of Anna. The will of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD lists among his children the daughter Anna who married Peter Longenecker but not Mrs. Huber/Hoover. Neither do I believe that the "first" wife of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD was likely Elizabeth Gerber. The wife listed in his will is Barbara, and even though some claim her as a second wife, which I believe is likely correct as she had children by a prior marriage, and by their dates of birth it is apparent she was not the mother of many of the children of this Jacob Good, even though later she was his wife. ! I ! > believe it was a different Jacob Good who married Elizabeth Gerber and lived for a time in Washington Co. MD but did not die there. The Elizabeth Gerber who married Jacob Good is claimed by others as moving to Virginia, where he died, and dates and circumstances involving his location lead me to believe this is correct. > > This error in connecting the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland with Elizabeth Gerber goes way back in time over 100 years ago, when Mr. Bell placed this in his book on Leitersburg I believe. There were land transactions whereby Michael Miller, step-father of Elizabeth Gerber transferred land to his stepdaughter and her husband, Jacob Good. This was very likely the source Mr. Bell used to make this connection, unless there were intermediate parties. But what they didn't know was that there was likely more than one Jacob Good living in the same area in Washington Co. Maryland, probably at the same time, and I believe the two were first cousins. It seems the one who moved to Virginia was a Brethren elder, and the one who remained in Washington Co. MD was claimed as Mennonite, though most of the children of the latter did join the Brethren church after their marriages. The youngest two sons were Lutheran and Mennonite. The only one who remained Mennonite! t! > hat I recall was the son who remained in Washington Co. MD after his father's death. Anna Christina Good was not a daughter of the Brethren Jacob Good either as they were born very close in years. > > Probably 95% or more of the on-line posts on the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland have errors in them, either as to his parentage, his date of birth, his wive's names, or the names of his children. The latter are easily ascertainable from the will he left, and the names of the children Bill Thomas supplies are all correct there. Except he may not have noted that Kim's Anna Christina (Good) Huber was not among the children listed. > > > Richard > > > > James Shuman, Brethren List co-moderator > jshuman@telis.org > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jacob Huber/Hoover m. 1744 Anna Christina (Good) (Godde) Guth is my 1st cousin 6 times removed. I have some information on the Huber/Hoover line that I am always willing to share. Thanks, Dave In a message dated 12/7/2013 12:20:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jshuman@telis.org writes: Sent on behalf of rricabee@aol.com, who has been having trouble getting messages posted: Bill Thomas and Kim: I just read some posts you've made in the past few days and have to respectively disagree with several statements presented as facts. First, the Jacob Good who Bill writes about had a daughter "Anna" who did marry Peter Longnecker, as he correctly noted, but she was not the same Anna Christina Good who married Jacob Huber/Hoover, Kim's ancestor. Neither was Anna Christina a sister of Anna. The will of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD lists among his children the daughter Anna who married Peter Longenecker but not Mrs. Huber/Hoover. Neither do I believe that the "first" wife of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD was likely Elizabeth Gerber. The wife listed in his will is Barbara, and even though some claim her as a second wife, which I believe is likely correct as she had children by a prior marriage, and by their dates of birth it is apparent she was not the mother of many of the children of this Jacob Good, even though later she was his wife. I ! believe it was a different Jacob Good who married Elizabeth Gerber and lived for a time in Washington Co. MD but did not die there. The Elizabeth Gerber who married Jacob Good is claimed by others as moving to Virginia, where he died, and dates and circumstances involving his location lead me to believe this is correct. This error in connecting the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland with Elizabeth Gerber goes way back in time over 100 years ago, when Mr. Bell placed this in his book on Leitersburg I believe. There were land transactions whereby Michael Miller, step-father of Elizabeth Gerber transferred land to his stepdaughter and her husband, Jacob Good. This was very likely the source Mr. Bell used to make this connection, unless there were intermediate parties. But what they didn't know was that there was likely more than one Jacob Good living in the same area in Washington Co. Maryland, probably at the same time, and I believe the two were first cousins. It seems the one who moved to Virginia was a Brethren elder, and the one who remained in Washington Co. MD was claimed as Mennonite, though most of the children of the latter did join the Brethren church after their marriages. The youngest two sons were Lutheran and Mennonite. The only one who remained Mennonite t! hat I recall was the son who remained in Washington Co. MD after his father's death. Anna Christina Good was not a daughter of the Brethren Jacob Good either as they were born very close in years. Probably 95% or more of the on-line posts on the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland have errors in them, either as to his parentage, his date of birth, his wive's names, or the names of his children. The latter are easily ascertainable from the will he left, and the names of the children Bill Thomas supplies are all correct there. Except he may not have noted that Kim's Anna Christina (Good) Huber was not among the children listed. Richard James Shuman, Brethren List co-moderator jshuman@telis.org ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sent on behalf of rricabee@aol.com, who has been having trouble getting messages posted: Bill Thomas and Kim: I just read some posts you've made in the past few days and have to respectively disagree with several statements presented as facts. First, the Jacob Good who Bill writes about had a daughter "Anna" who did marry Peter Longnecker, as he correctly noted, but she was not the same Anna Christina Good who married Jacob Huber/Hoover, Kim's ancestor. Neither was Anna Christina a sister of Anna. The will of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD lists among his children the daughter Anna who married Peter Longenecker but not Mrs. Huber/Hoover. Neither do I believe that the "first" wife of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD was likely Elizabeth Gerber. The wife listed in his will is Barbara, and even though some claim her as a second wife, which I believe is likely correct as she had children by a prior marriage, and by their dates of birth it is apparent she was not the mother of many of the children of this Jacob Good, even though later she was his wife. I believe it was a different Jacob Good who married Elizabeth Gerber and lived for a time in Washington Co. MD but did not die there. The Elizabeth Gerber who married Jacob Good is claimed by others as moving to Virginia, where he died, and dates and circumstances involving his location lead me to believe this is correct. This error in connecting the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland with Elizabeth Gerber goes way back in time over 100 years ago, when Mr. Bell placed this in his book on Leitersburg I believe. There were land transactions whereby Michael Miller, step-father of Elizabeth Gerber transferred land to his stepdaughter and her husband, Jacob Good. This was very likely the source Mr. Bell used to make this connection, unless there were intermediate parties. But what they didn't know was that there was likely more than one Jacob Good living in the same area in Washington Co. Maryland, probably at the same time, and I believe the two were first cousins. It seems the one who moved to Virginia was a Brethren elder, and the one who remained in Washington Co. MD was claimed as Mennonite, though most of the children of the latter did join the Brethren church after their marriages. The youngest two sons were Lutheran and Mennonite. The only one who remained Mennonite that I recall was the son who remained in Washington Co. MD after his father's death. Anna Christina Good was not a daughter of the Brethren Jacob Good either as they were born very close in years. Probably 95% or more of the on-line posts on the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland have errors in them, either as to his parentage, his date of birth, his wive's names, or the names of his children. The latter are easily ascertainable from the will he left, and the names of the children Bill Thomas supplies are all correct there. Except he may not have noted that Kim's Anna Christina (Good) Huber was not among the children listed. Richard James Shuman, Brethren List co-moderator jshuman@telis.org