Judy, Sorry to hear that you are ill. If need be we can get your lists up on the Washington County USGenWeb site. Thanks! Don & Jeanine Hartman FamilyHart http://familyhart.info http://twitter.com/#!/familyhart http://www.facebook.com/donjeanine.hartman Rootsweb List Admins for: Pennsylvania, PADutchGenONLY, Penna-Dutch, PAAdams PALancas-History, PAYork, PA-York-Gen, MD-Fred-Gen, MDWashin, Burket, Dierdorff, Gotshall, Glattfelder, Hartman, Kohr, Kaufman, Shirk, Sturm USGENWEB CCs for: Adams Co., PA; Franklin Co., PA: Lancaster Co., PA; York Co., PA; Frederick Co., MD; Washington Co., MD Any genealogical information sent to FamilyHart grants permission to use that information for any genealogical purposes by FamilyHart. In a message dated 12/09/13 23:08:46 Mountain Standard Time, cageycat@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Christine <cwelch@neo.rr.com> wrote: Dear Listers, I have been following the conversation about "Ten Mile Creek", my question is, is there a good site or place to get information on this settlement? Thanks Christine === Dear Christine, What in particular would you like to know? I''m an 'unofficial historian' for Ten Mile COB in Washington County PA (above Marianna, PA). This List also has several descendants of families, besides me being a descendant. You'll find bits and pieces in histories. But no source covers the history very well. There were 2 main churches in this congregation: Ten Mile (brick) built about 1832 near Little Daniel's Run in the southern section of the congregation... and the daughter church, South Pigeon Creek Dunkard in the north-eastern section of the congregation. SPCD is known locally as Tombaugh-Leatherman Cemetery. That church was wood frame, hit by lightning sometime in the 1920s, caught fire and later they sold the furnishings and tore down the church. Until then, the 2 churches had a single pastorate (different through the years) and rotated services and Love Feasts. Locally they were all called "Dunkards" but in oldest records they were legally The Fraternity of German Baptists. There is another congregation nearby made up of mostly Germans I think called North Ten Mile Baptist-- people always confused the COB German Baptists with the Baptists/Germans. With so many churches within a small area, confusion was inevitable. There are no official Burial Records... Many unmarked graves in both churchyards. Obits help prove burial. No early Baptism, Marriage, or other records. Membership List beginning 1838 has only names, with year headers. I was allowed to copy the Baptism book up through 1991 but was asked to keep it private for a number of years-- However, the Brethren Library has a copy. I created the list by reading/spelling each name and dates into a tape player and transcribing the tape bit by bit-- what a huge job that was. I also created an unofficial list of "known" graves at SPCD but I've not been well...so I haven't gotten them online still. I know or might recognize most Brethren associated names. But I also invite people to send me info if they know someone was a member of either church-- For example, when families split and some traveled West, county history books in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, etc sometimes mention the grandfather was German Baptist... each of those tidbits helps create "a history" of Ten Mile COB. I'd be happy to try to answer questions. Judy ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, thank you for your hard work at preserving remaining records of this congregation before time further obscures the information. John Shafer > Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 01:03:45 -0500 > From: cageycat@gmail.com > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethern settling in Illinois and/or Kansas > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Christine <cwelch@neo.rr.com> wrote: > Dear Listers, > I have been following the conversation about "Ten Mile Creek", my question > is, is there a good site or place to get information on this settlement? > Thanks > > Christine > === > Dear Christine, > > What in particular would you like to know? I''m an 'unofficial historian' > for Ten Mile COB in Washington County PA (above Marianna, PA). This List > also has several descendants of families, besides me being a descendant. > > You'll find bits and pieces in histories. But no source covers the history > very well. > > There were 2 main churches in this congregation: Ten Mile (brick) built > about 1832 near Little Daniel's Run in the southern section of the > congregation... and the daughter church, South Pigeon Creek Dunkard in the > north-eastern section of the congregation. SPCD is known locally as > Tombaugh-Leatherman Cemetery. That church was wood frame, hit by lightning > sometime in the 1920s, caught fire and later they sold the furnishings and > tore down the church. Until then, the 2 churches had a single pastorate > (different through the years) and rotated services and Love Feasts. > Locally they were all called "Dunkards" but in oldest records they were > legally The Fraternity of German Baptists. There is another congregation > nearby made up of mostly Germans I think called North Ten Mile Baptist-- > people always confused the COB German Baptists with the Baptists/Germans. > With so many churches within a small area, confusion was inevitable. > > There are no official Burial Records... Many unmarked graves in both > churchyards. Obits help prove burial. > > No early Baptism, Marriage, or other records. Membership List beginning > 1838 has only names, with year headers. I was allowed to copy the Baptism > book up through 1991 but was asked to keep it private for a number of > years-- However, the Brethren Library has a copy. I created the list by > reading/spelling each name and dates into a tape player and transcribing > the tape bit by bit-- what a huge job that was. > > I also created an unofficial list of "known" graves at SPCD but I've not > been well...so I haven't gotten them online still. > > I know or might recognize most Brethren associated names. But I also > invite people to send me info if they know someone was a member of either > church-- For example, when families split and some traveled West, county > history books in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, etc sometimes mention the > grandfather was German Baptist... each of those tidbits helps create "a > history" of Ten Mile COB. > > I'd be happy to try to answer questions. > > Judy > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/cob/2_cob_families.ht m This is a helpful site for information about the Ten Mile Creek COB. We visited there in May of this year. ac

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Christine <cwelch@neo.rr.com> wrote: Dear Listers, I have been following the conversation about "Ten Mile Creek", my question is, is there a good site or place to get information on this settlement? Thanks Christine === Dear Christine, What in particular would you like to know? I''m an 'unofficial historian' for Ten Mile COB in Washington County PA (above Marianna, PA). This List also has several descendants of families, besides me being a descendant. You'll find bits and pieces in histories. But no source covers the history very well. There were 2 main churches in this congregation: Ten Mile (brick) built about 1832 near Little Daniel's Run in the southern section of the congregation... and the daughter church, South Pigeon Creek Dunkard in the north-eastern section of the congregation. SPCD is known locally as Tombaugh-Leatherman Cemetery. That church was wood frame, hit by lightning sometime in the 1920s, caught fire and later they sold the furnishings and tore down the church. Until then, the 2 churches had a single pastorate (different through the years) and rotated services and Love Feasts. Locally they were all called "Dunkards" but in oldest records they were legally The Fraternity of German Baptists. There is another congregation nearby made up of mostly Germans I think called North Ten Mile Baptist-- people always confused the COB German Baptists with the Baptists/Germans. With so many churches within a small area, confusion was inevitable. There are no official Burial Records... Many unmarked graves in both churchyards. Obits help prove burial. No early Baptism, Marriage, or other records. Membership List beginning 1838 has only names, with year headers. I was allowed to copy the Baptism book up through 1991 but was asked to keep it private for a number of years-- However, the Brethren Library has a copy. I created the list by reading/spelling each name and dates into a tape player and transcribing the tape bit by bit-- what a huge job that was. I also created an unofficial list of "known" graves at SPCD but I've not been well...so I haven't gotten them online still. I know or might recognize most Brethren associated names. But I also invite people to send me info if they know someone was a member of either church-- For example, when families split and some traveled West, county history books in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, etc sometimes mention the grandfather was German Baptist... each of those tidbits helps create "a history" of Ten Mile COB. I'd be happy to try to answer questions. Judy

Pat, There has been a good deal of research showing your Susannah and her brother Jacob as children of Ludowick Miller who was son of Michael Miller. Both are reported to have married into the Wine line. I can understand the confusion with the Ludwig/Ludowick Millers in the same area. In fact, I know of three to four in northern Md/southern Pa area at the same time. Here is outline of what I have found: >Ludowick Miller as son of Michael. He purchased a tract called Tom's >Chance next to his father's Ash Swamp in 1751 in now Washington Co., Md. >Per 1783 deed settling his father's estate he sold Ash Swamp to his brother >Phillip Jacob Miller. I did not find any data points for Ludowick other >than for land. Some have reported his wife as being Barbara Grable. It is >known that the Michael Miller family in 1727 came from Palatinate in >Germany and settled for a while in Coventry, Chester Co., Pa. I have not >seen any record of Ludowick's death...some report it as 1792 in Taneytown, >Md. >Ludwig Miller who purchased a tract called Hoggs Hall located on Friends >Creek on Pa/Md border in now Franklin Co., Pa. in 1757. He purchased and >sold other tracts most notably to George Craft his cousin that he migrated >with. These transactions appear on both Pa and Md deeds because of the >border dispute at the time. He shows on Antrim Twp (now Washington Twp) in >now Franklin Co., Pa. 1762-1770. He sold his land in 1771 but the deed was >not recorded until 1784 (the deed indicates that Ludwig was present at the >recording). Ludwig's cousins Joseph Grable and George Craft show up in now >Fayette Co. in 1771. Ludwig does not appear until 1776-82 (on a petition >of uncertain date). Ludwig's wife was also Barbara Grable (note same as >reported for Ludowick). This family too came through Coventry, Chester >Co., Pa. and reported came from Nuremburg, Germany. Ludwig died 1813 in >Fayette Co., Pa. >Ludwig Solomon Miller had a 1752 warrant in Manheim Twp of York Co., Pa. >which he sold in 1774. He was member of Lutheran Church in Manheim. He >moved to Hagerstown, Md. 1775 where he died 1779. His wives are reported >to have been Anna Barbara and Maria Barbara. >Another Ludwig Miller was on 1749 petition in Mt. Joy and Mt. Pleasant Twps >of now Adams Co., Pa. He had 1762 warrant for land located in both Germany >and Mt. Joy Twps. He sold the property in 1772 to Henry Myers. He had a >son named Ludwig who died 1795 in Germany. The older Ludwig died 1788 and >his estate showed that he owned land in Taneytown in now Carroll Co., Md. >(interestingly enough Ludowick, son of Michael, was reported to have been >in Taneytown...I'm thinking this was really this Ludwig, not son of >Michael). The best that I can tell, there are four Ludwig/Ludowick Milers involved here. I don't think either of the later two is the one that went to Fayette Co., Pa. Is Ludowick, s/o Michael, same as Ludwig that went to Fayette Co.? Based on my analysis of deeds we find the Ludowick sold his Tom's Chance tract in 1756 and in 1757 a Ludowick of York Co., Pa. purchased the Hogg Hall property. Based on later transactions we know this property was located in far s/e corner of now Franklin Co., Pa on Md. border. Interestingly, he was shown on the deeds as Ludowick and on the tax lists as Ludwig. Still, I feel sure it is the same guy. From this one would think Michael's Ludowick is same as Ludwig that went to Fayette Co. The problem is that Ludowick was present at settlement of his father Michael's estate in 1783 which is after Ludwig was in Fayette Co. This suggests two separate Ludowick/Ludwig Millers. Yet, both are reported to have married a Barbara Grable. Go figure!! Several fellow Ludwig Miller researchers have done the yDNA test and a couple of us have done the Family Finder all through FTDNA. We test out to be haplogroup R1a1/R1a1a. From what we gather about testing for Michael Miller's line he appears to be R1b1a2. If this is correct, it does not appear that Michael's Ludowick is same as the Ludwig that went to Fayette Co. This, along with different family origins, suggests two different Ludowick/Ludwig Millers. I certainly, would welcome any critique of this analysis. I have several Excel worksheets outlining all I know about Ludwig Miller and would be glad to share them. This analysis can be very confusing, so yell if more clarification is needed. Art -----Original Message----- From: Seaver Patricia Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 6:30 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Ludwig Miller of Fayette Co., Pa. Art, I am interested in whatever you find out about your Ludwig Miller. I am descended from Susannah Miller (1754-1848), whose father was also said to have been Ludwig Miller. The dates that I have for "my" Ludwig (Lodowich) Miller are c1729-1792; he is said to have lived in PA and MD. I have read that some researchers have confused the two men (at any rate, I am certainly confused!), and I am not sure which records pertain to which Ludwig, which are correct and which are not. Any enlightenment would be welcome. Susannah Miller married Michael Wine in Frederick Co, MD; by 1782 they were living in Shenandoah Co, VA. This Wine family was German Baptist and has produced several Church of the Brethren ministers. It is **possible, but not proved, that Susannah had a brother, Jacob Miller (b. 1748) who married Anna Martha Wine, Michael Wine's sister. Are you referring to yDNA or autosomal DNA? My sister, a 1st cousin and I have taken autosomal DNA tests (Family Finder, 23andMe), and we do have some matches with descendants of Susannah Miller and some of her descendants. I would be interested in knowing of other descendants of either Ludwig who have taken autosomal DNA tests and who have their results on GEDmatch.com for comparison. Whatever you learn about "your" Ludwig, please post it to this list. And if any one has figured out the two Ludwigs, please share your findings. Pat Moorefield Seaver On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Art wrote: > Looking for any information on Ludwig Miller who was born in 1720’s and > died 1813 in Fayette Co., Pa. He was married to Barbara Grable and per > his will had children: Samuel, Nicholas, Catherine, Hannah, Elizabeth, > Solomon, David, Mary, Jacob, Abraham and Rebeccah. He lived in Manellen > and Luzerne Twps. of Fayette Co. It is reported that he migrated with his > cousins, George Craft (born 1727) and Joseph Grable (b.c1725), from > Chester Co., Pa. to northern Md (lived on Pa/Md border) in 1750’s then to > Fayette Co. about 1771. Have not been able to determine when the cousins > came to US and who their parents were (except John Kraft is reported to > have been father of George). Indications are that they all came from > Nuremberg, Germany. Also, trying to determine what happened to some of > Ludwig’s children i.e. David, Mary, Jacob and Rebeccah. Several > descendants/researchers have done DNA testing and we would really like to > find other Ludwig descendants so we could compare DNA results. Based on > his associations, it would appear that Ludwig was of Brethren faith. > My personal objective is trying to determine if my David Miller was son of > this Ludwig. My David was born early 1750’s, married Deborah Zook (d/o > Peter Zook the Brethren preacher), lived in Fayette Co/Washington Co., Pa. > in 1780-90’s and migrated to Nelson Co., Ky. in 1795 with his > brother-in-law David Zook (he settled in Franklin Co., Ky.). DNA testing > shows a familial relationship between my David and Ludwig Miller. Also, > proximity and timing work but need more information to nail down the > familial relationship. > Any insight into Ludwig and his family would be greatly appreciated. > Art Miller, Louisville > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Locust Grove Cemetery is in the northern part of Adams Co. The Camp Woodland Altars, where I lived for a while with my parents (got sick - had to quit preaching in Maryland), is just north of Locust Grove. I did not really get to know the families there, I taught at Sinking Spring - which is north yet, in Highland Co. Camp Woodland Altars is about one and a quarter square miles of land, and reaches up to the county line, on the east side of OH41 (Zane Trace) The Dunkard Ridge Church (original church) is west of Sinking Spring, the Strait Creek Church (later) is still in Highland Co, on the Trace, but south of Sinking Spring. Sinking Spring and Locust Grove are on the Zane Trace, Locust Grove is where that one old Mound Indian Trail and the Zane Trace cross - about a mile east of the Serpent Mound (National Park). I'm sure you have heard of it - that long snakey dirt mound 5-6 feet high couple hundred feet long - and the man and woman found in the "egg" in the mouth of the serpent - she had a large bib - made of woven small shells. As is often in these mounds - the skeletons are huge - the men over 7 feet, the women over 6 feet. I forget whether these had the same disfeature some around here do, in many of the Adena mounds - a double row of teeth, top and bottom. (My comment is - I'm sure glad none of them has tried to bite me!) - and I'm getting too started - I've done considerable study of the Mound Indians -and all their relics in that area - was preparing to teach an Elderhostel Course on them. I might add - the Serpent Mound is located on a ridge at the center of an identified "fault" - either a meteor strike, or possible volcano cone that never erupted. Locust Grove and Camp Woodland Altars are a mile from Serpent Mound - and on the east edge of the circular rim ridge of that "fault" (about 2-3 miles in diameter - there is also an earthquake fault going north from there). The state did a drilling, and found unusual returns - several locations held a barrel of oil, there was a spot of gold (a bucket?), another of diamonds, other places held other unusual minerals. And while I am at it - coming down the Zane Trace from Sinking Spring - there is one stretch where a stage coach threw off a treasure chest - being chased by robbers. The thing is - this is iron ore country, and a metal detector goes crazy - no one has ever found the treasure - it slid down the steep hillside to the creekbed below, bring trash (dirt/rocks) down over it - where ever it was in that half mile or so - it can't be found - and that is now private land. I'm suspecting these major migration roads were what brought your families into that area - now - did they stop at Portsmouth (mouth of the Scioto River) and come across on the Mound Indian trail (OH73), or did they go on down to Limestone (now Maysville) and come up the Zane Trace (OH41)? The famous Brethren woman preacher (Sarah Majors) and her husband - stopped at Portsmouth (they lived there for a while - was there an early Brethren Church there? - probably! - I checked property records of the period - could find nothing on them) - before moving up into Highland Co (Fall Creek Church - north farther, off the Zane Trace - just off the Kanawha Trace as it headed northwest from Bournesville, toward Greenfield OH and Wilmington). He was the ordained Preacher - so he would open the service, and then turn it over to her. She preached "Fire and Brimstone"! and had the people shaking! He didn't! Now - did they come to Locust Grove? and go north on the Zane Trace? - or did they follow the trail up the Scioto River (US23), to Chillicothe (First State Capitol) and come west on the Zane Trace/Kanawha Trace (US 50)? The first and main Brethren settlement was here at Dunkard Ridge, just west of Sinking Spring, off the Zane Trace, north of the Serpent Mound. There are really no indications of Brethren around Chililcothe. (The New Vienna Brethren Settlement, and its Brethren College, was west on the Kanawha Trace, clear across Highland Co. I suspect most of those who settled there, came through the Dunkard Ridge area, or at least Fall Creek.) enough of early Southern Ohio Merle ---------------------------------------- Thanks Merle, I really appreciate you checking out your material for the possibility of any of my ancestors. Someday I hope to find out more about them. I realized later that John's guardian that came to the southern Ohio area with him was Phillip Zink. There is a record of him (Zink) dying in a fire in a barn in Adams Co., Ohio. But John was also connected to John Rhodes/Rodes and there were a number of the Rhodes family members who came to Ohio within this group. Good luck in your search too. Christine Welch Long From: Merle Rummel [mailto:cliff@nwwnet.net] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:23 PM To: Christine Subject: re: travel to southern Ohio in early 1800's I guess I'm not much help - I do not have your John Auckerman - even connected to the Ockerman family in southern Ohio - the Ockermans came up from Kentucky - nor do I have your John Rhodes - just the Rhoads family of western Kentucky nor any Welch family [- I think I remember the Welch name, when I was teaching school there at Sinking Spring OH - yes, I've been to the Locust Grove Cemetery (lived a couple miles north - at our Southern Ohio Brethren, Camp Woodland Altars - back when we first started it).] I do have an Emanuel and a Peter Zink - both from Washington Co IN - Emanuel moved to Edgar Co IL - sometime about 1850-1860 (they married sisters - preacher Philburd Wright's daughters). Both were part of the Blue River Baptist Association movement (Philburd Wright was the leader of the Association movement) - that led these southern Indiana churches into the Church of Christ. The Blue River Church seems to have originally been Brethren, at least several of the families were, but were mostly from the Carolinas. Some of these famlies did stop temporarily in southern Ohio. Merle ************************* I have spent many years trying to find out where my Welches and Auckerman's were, before they ended up in southern Ohio, mainly Adams and Highland counties. I know now that the Auckerman's, for certain, were in Shenandoah and Frederick Cts. Of Va. in the Shenandoah Valley. I suspect that my Welches were too. I have John Auckerman 1786-1874 who was reportedly born in Pa. in all of the census for him. I also have John Welch 1786-1861 who was reportedly born in Pa in one census and Md in another before he died. John Auckerman first shows up in Highland Co,Ohio in 1811. He was the ward of a John Rhodes when his mother died in 1790 back in Va. (Frederick Co). He traveled with this man and the Zink/Zincks and supposedly many others to Ohio. He married Annie Dorothea Shaver in 1810 in Frederick Co., Va with a Lutheran minister presiding. Lutheran may have been her denomination but I am not certain. I have wondered if these families were German Baptist?? John's daughter, Juliana, married William A Welch in Ironton in 1846. John's family migrated to Lawrence County in the 1830"s. John died in Hanging Rock, Lawrence Co., Ohio. John Welch first shows up (that I know of) in Ohio in the 1820 census in northern Adams Co. and is in Highland the next 2 census and then goes back to northern Adams by 1850. He is buried there with his wife, Laura, in the Locust Grove Cemetery. All I know is that his wife's name is Laura and she was considerably younger than him and may have been a second wife. I know very little about this man other than a distant cousin, whom I've never met, stated a number of years ago that her great aunt told her the Welches came from Woodstock County, Va.. There is only a town by that name and it's in Shenandoah Co. John's son, William A. Welch, whose Civil War records state he was born in Marble Furnace, Adams Co., Ohio, married Juliana Auckerman in 1846 in Lawrence Co., Ohio I suspect that both of these 2 John's were following the iron ore furnace trade that was going on in Adams Co and possibly Highland. Do any of these names appear anywhere in your material? Mostly everything I have on these two men leads to dead-ends and I'm not sure why. I have not seen any church records for either of them and don't know where I might find such as I don't know what church either was affiliated with. There has never been any reference to church membership passed down within the family. These 2 men would be my ggggrandfathers. Thank you for any light you may be able to shed on this puzzle. Christine Welch in N. Canton, O. Some names in Allegheny Passage came to early Kentucky. George Tarvin, minister, of Hampshire Co VA, came to Limestone (now Maysville KY) before 1800. Another name that I found in Allegheny Passage was that of Crayfelt (which is listed in Kentucky as Craycraft). These families moved west along the Ohio River, as far as Campbell Co (Tarvin children were earliest members at the 12 Mile Baptist Church [Ohio River, southern Campbell Co] - I did not find any come as far as Newport-Covington KY). Some members of these families crossed the Ohio River into Southern Ohio - into Adams, Brown, Clermont and Scioto Cos - many ending up in Highland Co (Dunker Ridge [Sinking Spring - on the Zane Trace - OH41] or New Vienna). Those coming to Portsmouth (Scioto River - Scioto Co) were often from Virginia - but I have not traced all of them. The Portsmouth area was a major Mound Indian Center. Very old Mound Indian Roads go north from there (near 2000 years) - some up the Scioto River (US23) to Mound City (Chillicothe OH) and on (OH159-OH37) to the Mound Builders Memorial (at Newark OH), one especially, going northwest (OH73) to the Serpent Mound Memorial (Adams Co - just south of Dunker Ridge) and on through New Vienna OH to the Fort Ancient Memorial (near Lebanon OH). These were in active use, and the Brethren followed them. There was a large early Brethren Settlement at New Vienna, our very first Brethren College was there (lasted about 2 years, during the Civil War). I have done little research on New Vienna or its families. I know of no Brethren churches remaining there. I could find little on it in the Southern Ohio Histories. I have driven on "College Street" in New Vienna, a remembrance of the college (intentionally - it intersects off OH73 in town - just to please myself). The Kanawha Trace (following the Shawnee Indian WarPath through the Appalachian Mountains from near Franklin Co VA) crossed the Ohio River at Galliipolis OH (1804), (only a few years after Gallipolis was established -a refuge for surviving nobility of the French Revolution). Some Brethren families that came down the Ohio river, stopped there, and most of them came west from there, some to Highland Co, but others to near Dayton OH, and still others, on west into Indiana Territory. Merle C Rummel

Dear Listers, I have been following the conversation about "Ten Mile Creek", my question is, is there a good site or place to get information on this settlement? Thanks Christine -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JFlorian Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 5:53 PM To: LIST: BRETHREN EMAIL LIST Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethern settling in Illinois and/or Kansas On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Andrea Colley <raggs@cox.net> wrote: ...I'm trying to find out why my GGG Grandfather Elder John Wise left the Ten Mile Creek Congregation in Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/Vandalia area. --- Hi Andrea, There are several patterns regarding MD to Washington Co PA migrations. In a recent post, I described some of the routes into SW PA, but there were also patterns. Between 1800 to 1820s, for example, numerous Brethren or related families moved from Frederick Co MD to Washington Co PA. Raymond Bell, dec'd, wrote about one of the early Brethren (Arnold & Leatherman marriage, if memory serves) in Fayette Co PA. We also know the Ecklin?? Bros (names are difficult for me to recall today) explored the Greene Co area of Ten Mile Creek abt 1744, were captured by Indians, taken to Canada etc. Histories make it clear that the Congregation of German Baptists (e.g. Ten Mile COB) extended through Washington Co, Greene Co and Fayette Co in the earliest years-- My hypothesis is "Ten Mile" as a congregation likely existed by at least 1760 or before. Yes, that is before Washington Co PA officially became a county, before it officially opened to settlers. But we know Arnold-Leatherman(?) lived on the Fayette side of the river across from Ten Mile, and I feel certain that as more researchers look at their Brethren families in these 3 counties, they will find one or more persons in the family ventured into SW PA very early--at least in some families. The first membership book is labeled "before 1838" (again, going by memory). Though no earlier books exist, we can use deeds and other sources (Tax) to determine when people entered the area... and knowledge about Brethren Affiliations prior to moving. Patterns in Moving 1800-1820 - Influx from Frederick Co MD to Washington Co PA. - Whole families, Single Persons, Married Couples with/without kids Concurrently - Exodus from Washington Co PA.to Ohio lands -- again mixes of Whole families, Single Persons, Married Couples with/without kids By late 1820s early 1830s - Exodus into Indiana / Illinois... and West But, it's important to remember that in migrations, families "split" in strange ways. We'll never know why, except personal / family decisions. For examples in moving: Family A - grandma/grandpa, 2 of 6 adult kids and their families, single adults M/F - rest stayed put Family B - grandparents stay put, and 1 or more Kids with their families move, plus single adults M/F Family C - One or more Adults married w/ Kids -- adults are related, such as cousins -- all others stay put. Family D - One Adult married couple w/ or w/out Kids Family E - A single man, often who just passed age 21. Sometimes, 2 or more single men related or unrelated traveled together. Family F - Some single or married men/with families -- the man just "disappeared" without warning. Later the young man somehow let the family in Washington Co know their whereabouts, often via letter, or for example, Letter to the Editor of The Observer, or The Reporter (depends on year). Some took aliases. In my family, I think we had 3 who "disappeared" -- One concocted a "murder" story about himself. Another took an alias and left his 5 kids/wife. Another just up and left. Reasons to move based on occupations-- top occupations were: Farmer Preacher Teacher Lawyer All others, like Mercantile/Business, Blacksmiths, Millers, Saw Mills, animal herders/driver, etc. NOTE: Back then, everyone had "dual occupations"... Farmer and Preacher; Farmer and Lawyer; etc. Reasons-------- LAND, LAND, LAND--- every farmer needed land, including cattle or sheep farmers.. If a family had 12 kids and half were boys, they couldn't get much by splitting their dad's 100 acres... they HAD to move on. Family Ties - someone else went before them Church ties - others already moved Evangelizing (plus land) - to spread the word of God and take care of "the flock" "support" services--- every farm needed horses/cows/oxen... so a herd driver and blacksmith could earn a living in the new territory Need for schools, education - Schools one of the first buildings to be erected in new locations-- e.g. house--> church--> school With Land transactions plus anywhere people are, the "Law" follows...lawyers. Lastly - the oldest reason, human needs for space, for land ownership, for adventure to "somewhere new"... Of course, most new locations end up being lots like the old location. Westward Expansion -- Land Dealers from Mid-West//West posted "ads" in newspapers even in New England States... the call westward was incessant. "Jobs" is inherent in each of these but instead of "I need a job", it first was "I need land-- I need room". Ways to travel, even with babies / children: on foot on horse with cart / wagon by river travel (later, by train) So we come to Rev. John Wise. To my knowledge, my families are not related but John Wise was so strongly associated with my families that I find him fascinating. Wise was born 1822 (? memory)... 12 years junior to my Rev Daniel Lane, yet...Wise exceeded Lane in many ways. Lane's son, James Polk Lane, was a Ten Mile Deacon. R.J. Lane Sr was also.. Daniel Lane's adult grandchildren also took places in church leadership. Daniel Lane assisted or was assisted by other preachers at Ten Mile. My hypothesis is two fold: 1. John Wise wanted to move, and felt Ten Mile was under strong enough and sound "conservative" (vs Progressives) leadership with Daniel Lane and others. 2. Wise possibly had a calling or a Church (as a body) request to expand the Brethren faith. This was usual among all churches. Wise was always described as a forceful speaker, strong leader, with a steadfast faith and 'zeal'. Daniel Lane was not criticized per se but his obit said something like he never felt the passion to go further with his religious gifts. Wise was a great orator... likely, Lane was sufficient but possibly more average?? Lane could take care of a flock, but Wise seems to have been a driving force in any congregation he associated with. There may also have been tensions at Ten Mile.. in Minutes, Lane with others often went as a Committee to persons who were not behaving well or otherwise weren't measuring up to church standards. For example, the congregation had a male who beat his wife so badly it went to court. Others were dancing or dressing unfavorably. Overall, though, I think Ten Mile was stable enough for Wise to feel he could go to another area and 'expand' his own life and the Brethren faith. Problems at Ten Mile could happen in any congregation. Of course, this is only my opinion from the general 'feel' I got from sources and family stories. I wish they'd kept detailed records... but... back then, paper was better used to fill drafty cracks in houses. I still wish I could have heard sermons from Wise and Lane... Judy Florian ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Art, I am interested in whatever you find out about your Ludwig Miller. I am descended from Susannah Miller (1754-1848), whose father was also said to have been Ludwig Miller. The dates that I have for "my" Ludwig (Lodowich) Miller are c1729-1792; he is said to have lived in PA and MD. I have read that some researchers have confused the two men (at any rate, I am certainly confused!), and I am not sure which records pertain to which Ludwig, which are correct and which are not. Any enlightenment would be welcome. Susannah Miller married Michael Wine in Frederick Co, MD; by 1782 they were living in Shenandoah Co, VA. This Wine family was German Baptist and has produced several Church of the Brethren ministers. It is **possible, but not proved, that Susannah had a brother, Jacob Miller (b. 1748) who married Anna Martha Wine, Michael Wine's sister. Are you referring to yDNA or autosomal DNA? My sister, a 1st cousin and I have taken autosomal DNA tests (Family Finder, 23andMe), and we do have some matches with descendants of Susannah Miller and some of her descendants. I would be interested in knowing of other descendants of either Ludwig who have taken autosomal DNA tests and who have their results on GEDmatch.com for comparison. Whatever you learn about "your" Ludwig, please post it to this list. And if any one has figured out the two Ludwigs, please share your findings. Pat Moorefield Seaver On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Art wrote: > Looking for any information on Ludwig Miller who was born in 1720’s and died 1813 in Fayette Co., Pa. He was married to Barbara Grable and per his will had children: Samuel, Nicholas, Catherine, Hannah, Elizabeth, Solomon, David, Mary, Jacob, Abraham and Rebeccah. He lived in Manellen and Luzerne Twps. of Fayette Co. It is reported that he migrated with his cousins, George Craft (born 1727) and Joseph Grable (b.c1725), from Chester Co., Pa. to northern Md (lived on Pa/Md border) in 1750’s then to Fayette Co. about 1771. Have not been able to determine when the cousins came to US and who their parents were (except John Kraft is reported to have been father of George). Indications are that they all came from Nuremberg, Germany. Also, trying to determine what happened to some of Ludwig’s children i.e. David, Mary, Jacob and Rebeccah. Several descendants/researchers have done DNA testing and we would really like to find other Ludwig descendants so we could compare DNA ! results. Based on his associations, it would appear that Ludwig was of Brethren faith. > My personal objective is trying to determine if my David Miller was son of this Ludwig. My David was born early 1750’s, married Deborah Zook (d/o Peter Zook the Brethren preacher), lived in Fayette Co/Washington Co., Pa. in 1780-90’s and migrated to Nelson Co., Ky. in 1795 with his brother-in-law David Zook (he settled in Franklin Co., Ky.). DNA testing shows a familial relationship between my David and Ludwig Miller. Also, proximity and timing work but need more information to nail down the familial relationship. > Any insight into Ludwig and his family would be greatly appreciated. > Art Miller, Louisville > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Andrea Colley <raggs@cox.net> wrote: ...I'm trying to find out why my GGG Grandfather Elder John Wise left the Ten Mile Creek Congregation in Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/Vandalia area. --- Hi Andrea, There are several patterns regarding MD to Washington Co PA migrations. In a recent post, I described some of the routes into SW PA, but there were also patterns. Between 1800 to 1820s, for example, numerous Brethren or related families moved from Frederick Co MD to Washington Co PA. Raymond Bell, dec'd, wrote about one of the early Brethren (Arnold & Leatherman marriage, if memory serves) in Fayette Co PA. We also know the Ecklin?? Bros (names are difficult for me to recall today) explored the Greene Co area of Ten Mile Creek abt 1744, were captured by Indians, taken to Canada etc. Histories make it clear that the Congregation of German Baptists (e.g. Ten Mile COB) extended through Washington Co, Greene Co and Fayette Co in the earliest years-- My hypothesis is "Ten Mile" as a congregation likely existed by at least 1760 or before. Yes, that is before Washington Co PA officially became a county, before it officially opened to settlers. But we know Arnold-Leatherman(?) lived on the Fayette side of the river across from Ten Mile, and I feel certain that as more researchers look at their Brethren families in these 3 counties, they will find one or more persons in the family ventured into SW PA very early--at least in some families. The first membership book is labeled "before 1838" (again, going by memory). Though no earlier books exist, we can use deeds and other sources (Tax) to determine when people entered the area... and knowledge about Brethren Affiliations prior to moving. Patterns in Moving 1800-1820 - Influx from Frederick Co MD to Washington Co PA. - Whole families, Single Persons, Married Couples with/without kids Concurrently - Exodus from Washington Co PA.to Ohio lands -- again mixes of Whole families, Single Persons, Married Couples with/without kids By late 1820s early 1830s - Exodus into Indiana / Illinois... and West But, it's important to remember that in migrations, families "split" in strange ways. We'll never know why, except personal / family decisions. For examples in moving: Family A - grandma/grandpa, 2 of 6 adult kids and their families, single adults M/F - rest stayed put Family B - grandparents stay put, and 1 or more Kids with their families move, plus single adults M/F Family C - One or more Adults married w/ Kids -- adults are related, such as cousins -- all others stay put. Family D - One Adult married couple w/ or w/out Kids Family E - A single man, often who just passed age 21. Sometimes, 2 or more single men related or unrelated traveled together. Family F - Some single or married men/with families -- the man just "disappeared" without warning. Later the young man somehow let the family in Washington Co know their whereabouts, often via letter, or for example, Letter to the Editor of The Observer, or The Reporter (depends on year). Some took aliases. In my family, I think we had 3 who "disappeared" -- One concocted a "murder" story about himself. Another took an alias and left his 5 kids/wife. Another just up and left. Reasons to move based on occupations-- top occupations were: Farmer Preacher Teacher Lawyer All others, like Mercantile/Business, Blacksmiths, Millers, Saw Mills, animal herders/driver, etc. NOTE: Back then, everyone had "dual occupations"... Farmer and Preacher; Farmer and Lawyer; etc. Reasons-------- LAND, LAND, LAND--- every farmer needed land, including cattle or sheep farmers.. If a family had 12 kids and half were boys, they couldn't get much by splitting their dad's 100 acres... they HAD to move on. Family Ties - someone else went before them Church ties - others already moved Evangelizing (plus land) - to spread the word of God and take care of "the flock" "support" services--- every farm needed horses/cows/oxen... so a herd driver and blacksmith could earn a living in the new territory Need for schools, education - Schools one of the first buildings to be erected in new locations-- e.g. house--> church--> school With Land transactions plus anywhere people are, the "Law" follows...lawyers. Lastly - the oldest reason, human needs for space, for land ownership, for adventure to "somewhere new"... Of course, most new locations end up being lots like the old location. Westward Expansion -- Land Dealers from Mid-West//West posted "ads" in newspapers even in New England States... the call westward was incessant. "Jobs" is inherent in each of these but instead of "I need a job", it first was "I need land-- I need room". Ways to travel, even with babies / children: on foot on horse with cart / wagon by river travel (later, by train) So we come to Rev. John Wise. To my knowledge, my families are not related but John Wise was so strongly associated with my families that I find him fascinating. Wise was born 1822 (? memory)... 12 years junior to my Rev Daniel Lane, yet...Wise exceeded Lane in many ways. Lane's son, James Polk Lane, was a Ten Mile Deacon. R.J. Lane Sr was also.. Daniel Lane's adult grandchildren also took places in church leadership. Daniel Lane assisted or was assisted by other preachers at Ten Mile. My hypothesis is two fold: 1. John Wise wanted to move, and felt Ten Mile was under strong enough and sound "conservative" (vs Progressives) leadership with Daniel Lane and others. 2. Wise possibly had a calling or a Church (as a body) request to expand the Brethren faith. This was usual among all churches. Wise was always described as a forceful speaker, strong leader, with a steadfast faith and 'zeal'. Daniel Lane was not criticized per se but his obit said something like he never felt the passion to go further with his religious gifts. Wise was a great orator... likely, Lane was sufficient but possibly more average?? Lane could take care of a flock, but Wise seems to have been a driving force in any congregation he associated with. There may also have been tensions at Ten Mile.. in Minutes, Lane with others often went as a Committee to persons who were not behaving well or otherwise weren't measuring up to church standards. For example, the congregation had a male who beat his wife so badly it went to court. Others were dancing or dressing unfavorably. Overall, though, I think Ten Mile was stable enough for Wise to feel he could go to another area and 'expand' his own life and the Brethren faith. Problems at Ten Mile could happen in any congregation. Of course, this is only my opinion from the general 'feel' I got from sources and family stories. I wish they'd kept detailed records... but... back then, paper was better used to fill drafty cracks in houses. I still wish I could have heard sermons from Wise and Lane... Judy Florian

Judy, I have an old copy of John Wise's last sermon. I know we will never hear his voice but we can know his thoughts. Much of it is on the sacraments of washing of the feet and the Lord' supper. When I started this email I thought I had a scan of it and could go right to it but I have changed computers so many times I have no idea where I would have filed it. I have the old hard drive on this computer but cannot find it on either that or the new one. I need a new scanner and will get around to doing another scan. It is very long so it will probably be after Christmas before I can get it scanned but it is something I need to do for myself and others. When I get that done I will probably send a scanned copy to Wayne Webb so he can archive it if he wants to. For Andrea, if you read the Some who Led section of the DVD or in the archives Wayne Webb has done, it will tell you why he might have left. He was a great evangelist and believed in the mission field. Apparently there was some controversy over some of that but that was his belief and probably why he traveled so much. Ruth On 12/9/2013 4:52 PM, JFlorian wrote: > On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Andrea Colley <raggs@cox.net> wrote: > ...I'm trying to find out why my GGG Grandfather Elder John Wise left the > Ten Mile Creek Congregation in > Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/Vandalia > area. > --- > Hi Andrea, > > There are several patterns regarding MD to Washington Co PA migrations. In > a recent post, I described some of the routes into SW PA, but there were > also patterns. > > Between 1800 to 1820s, for example, numerous Brethren or related families > moved from Frederick Co MD to Washington Co PA. Raymond Bell, dec'd, wrote > about one of the early Brethren (Arnold & Leatherman marriage, if memory > serves) in Fayette Co PA. We also know the Ecklin?? Bros (names are > difficult for me to recall today) explored the Greene Co area of Ten Mile > Creek abt 1744, were captured by Indians, taken to Canada etc. Histories > make it clear that the Congregation of German Baptists (e.g. Ten Mile COB) > extended through Washington Co, Greene Co and Fayette Co in the earliest > years-- My hypothesis is "Ten Mile" as a congregation likely existed by at > least 1760 or before. Yes, that is before Washington Co PA officially > became a county, before it officially opened to settlers. But we know > Arnold-Leatherman(?) lived on the Fayette side of the river across from Ten > Mile, and I feel certain that as more researchers look at their Brethren > families in these 3 counties, they will find one or more persons in the > family ventured into SW PA very early--at least in some families. > > The first membership book is labeled "before 1838" (again, going by > memory). Though no earlier books exist, we can use deeds and other sources > (Tax) to determine when people entered the area... and knowledge about > Brethren Affiliations prior to moving. > > Patterns in Moving > 1800-1820 - Influx from Frederick Co MD to Washington Co PA. - Whole > families, Single Persons, Married Couples with/without kids > Concurrently - Exodus from Washington Co PA.to Ohio lands -- again mixes of > Whole families, Single Persons, Married Couples with/without kids > By late 1820s early 1830s - Exodus into Indiana / Illinois... and West > > But, it's important to remember that in migrations, families "split" in > strange ways. We'll never know why, except personal / family decisions. > For examples in moving: > Family A - grandma/grandpa, 2 of 6 adult kids and their families, single > adults M/F - rest stayed put > Family B - grandparents stay put, and 1 or more Kids with their families > move, plus single adults M/F > Family C - One or more Adults married w/ Kids -- adults are related, such > as cousins -- all others stay put. > Family D - One Adult married couple w/ or w/out Kids > Family E - A single man, often who just passed age 21. Sometimes, 2 or > more single men related or unrelated traveled together. > Family F - Some single or married men/with families -- the man just > "disappeared" without warning. Later the young man somehow let the family > in Washington Co know their whereabouts, often via letter, or for example, > Letter to the Editor of The Observer, or The Reporter (depends on year). > Some took aliases. In my family, I think we had 3 who "disappeared" -- > One concocted a "murder" story about himself. Another took an alias and > left his 5 kids/wife. Another just up and left. > > Reasons to move based on occupations-- top occupations were: > Farmer > Preacher > Teacher > Lawyer > All others, like Mercantile/Business, Blacksmiths, Millers, Saw Mills, > animal herders/driver, etc. > NOTE: Back then, everyone had "dual occupations"... Farmer and Preacher; > Farmer and Lawyer; etc. > > Reasons-------- > LAND, LAND, LAND--- every farmer needed land, including cattle or sheep > farmers.. If a family had 12 kids and half were boys, they couldn't get > much by splitting their dad's 100 acres... they HAD to move on. > Family Ties - someone else went before them > Church ties - others already moved > Evangelizing (plus land) - to spread the word of God and take care of "the > flock" > "support" services--- every farm needed horses/cows/oxen... so a herd > driver and blacksmith could earn a living in the new territory > Need for schools, education - Schools one of the first buildings to be > erected in new locations-- e.g. house--> church--> school > With Land transactions plus anywhere people are, the "Law" > follows...lawyers. > Lastly - the oldest reason, human needs for space, for land ownership, for > adventure to "somewhere new"... Of course, most new locations end up being > lots like the old location. > Westward Expansion -- Land Dealers from Mid-West//West posted "ads" in > newspapers even in New England States... the call westward was incessant. > "Jobs" is inherent in each of these but instead of "I need a job", it first > was "I need land-- I need room". > > Ways to travel, even with babies / children: > on foot > on horse > with cart / wagon > by river travel > (later, by train) > > > So we come to Rev. John Wise. To my knowledge, my families are not related > but John Wise was so strongly associated with my families that I find him > fascinating. Wise was born 1822 (? memory)... 12 years junior to my Rev > Daniel Lane, yet...Wise exceeded Lane in many ways. Lane's son, James Polk > Lane, was a Ten Mile Deacon. R.J. Lane Sr was also.. Daniel Lane's adult > grandchildren also took places in church leadership. Daniel Lane assisted > or was assisted by other preachers at Ten Mile. My hypothesis is two fold: > 1. John Wise wanted to move, and felt Ten Mile was under strong enough and > sound "conservative" (vs Progressives) leadership with Daniel Lane and > others. 2. Wise possibly had a calling or a Church (as a body) request to > expand the Brethren faith. This was usual among all churches. > > Wise was always described as a forceful speaker, strong leader, with a > steadfast faith and 'zeal'. Daniel Lane was not criticized per se but his > obit said something like he never felt the passion to go further with his > religious gifts. Wise was a great orator... likely, Lane was sufficient > but possibly more average?? Lane could take care of a flock, but Wise > seems to have been a driving force in any congregation he associated with. > There may also have been tensions at Ten Mile.. in Minutes, Lane with > others often went as a Committee to persons who were not behaving well or > otherwise weren't measuring up to church standards. For example, the > congregation had a male who beat his wife so badly it went to court. > Others were dancing or dressing unfavorably. > > Overall, though, I think Ten Mile was stable enough for Wise to feel he > could go to another area and 'expand' his own life and the Brethren faith. > Problems at Ten Mile could happen in any congregation. Of course, this is > only my opinion from the general 'feel' I got from sources and family > stories. I wish they'd kept detailed records... but... back then, paper > was better used to fill drafty cracks in houses. > > I still wish I could have heard sermons from Wise and Lane... > > Judy Florian > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Maryland Plat site is indexed by the name of the property, not the owners name, so your chances of finding an individuals patent is slim if you don't know the property name. I have a copy of the PDF file of the Washington County name index Richard speaks of. Unfortunately it has a website address listed on it, that likely has a copy write associated with it. The website is: http://www.whilbr.org/ so you can see if you can download it via that site. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Beverly Robinson Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 9:04 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Land records in Washington Co. MD for the Good family Maryland land records are online. Beverly Railey Robinson Sent from my iPad On Dec 8, 2013, at 8:48 PM, rricabee@aol.com wrote: > > > The Michael Miller book explains about the land Michael Miller provided > supposedly for his step daughter married to Jacob Good. ? > > > This was a site I use to use for land records, which had the location and > description of several of the Good family land parcels, but I notice now > that it is a dead link. ?Anyone know if they were put elsewhere? > ? > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.ancestry.com/MD/washington/plats/NewTable.html > > > But, Kim, neither of these Jacob Goods were the father of your Anna > Christina (Good) Huber. > > > I'm not collecting information on the Hubers but just tracing the > Good/Guth links. > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Connie, This is a line that I have not verified myself. I got my information from a book by Don Bowman (he is a researcher and works at the Brethren at Brookville, OH) the name of the book is The Hoover Family in the Miami Valley Ohio. I am working on getting a couple of sources that should provide some more information. If I am able to get the sources I'll let you know what I find. Thanks, Dave Sloan In a message dated 12/9/2013 10:42:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ccts2013@carolina.rr.com writes: Hi Dave, I would be interested in learning what you have on Jacob Hoover and Anna Good, especially with regard to documentation. I have found a good bit of information about them, but little of it is documented. They are my 5th great grandparents. Connie -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DESloan@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 12:42 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Good/Guth family confusion Jacob Huber/Hoover m. 1744 Anna Christina (Good) (Godde) Guth is my 1st cousin 6 times removed. I have some information on the Huber/Hoover line that I am always willing to share. Thanks, Dave In a message dated 12/7/2013 12:20:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jshuman@telis.org writes: Sent on behalf of rricabee@aol.com, who has been having trouble getting messages posted: Bill Thomas and Kim: I just read some posts you've made in the past few days and have to respectively disagree with several statements presented as facts. First, the Jacob Good who Bill writes about had a daughter "Anna" who did marry Peter Longnecker, as he correctly noted, but she was not the same Anna Christina Good who married Jacob Huber/Hoover, Kim's ancestor. Neither was Anna Christina a sister of Anna. The will of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD lists among his children the daughter Anna who married Peter Longenecker but not Mrs. Huber/Hoover. Neither do I believe that the "first" wife of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD was likely Elizabeth Gerber. The wife listed in his will is Barbara, and even though some claim her as a second wife, which I believe is likely correct as she had children by a prior marriage, and by their dates of birth it is apparent she was not the mother of many of the children of this Jacob Good, even though later she was his wife. I ! believe it was a different Jacob Good who married Elizabeth Gerber and lived for a time in Washington Co. MD but did not die there. The Elizabeth Gerber who married Jacob Good is claimed by others as moving to Virginia, where he died, and dates and circumstances involving his location lead me to believe this is correct. This error in connecting the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland with Elizabeth Gerber goes way back in time over 100 years ago, when Mr. Bell placed this in his book on Leitersburg I believe. There were land transactions whereby Michael Miller, step-father of Elizabeth Gerber transferred land to his stepdaughter and her husband, Jacob Good. This was very likely the source Mr. Bell used to make this connection, unless there were intermediate parties. But what they didn't know was that there was likely more than one Jacob Good living in the same area in Washington Co. Maryland, probably at the same time, and I believe the two were first cousins. It seems the one who moved to Virginia was a Brethren elder, and the one who remained in Washington Co. MD was claimed as Mennonite, though most of the children of the latter did join the Brethren church after their marriages. The youngest two sons were Lutheran and Mennonite. The only one who remained Mennonite t! hat I recall was the son who remained in Washington Co. MD after his father's death. Anna Christina Good was not a daughter of the Brethren Jacob Good either as they were born very close in years. Probably 95% or more of the on-line posts on the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland have errors in them, either as to his parentage, his date of birth, his wive's names, or the names of his children. The latter are easily ascertainable from the will he left, and the names of the children Bill Thomas supplies are all correct there. Except he may not have noted that Kim's Anna Christina (Good) Huber was not among the children listed. Richard James Shuman, Brethren List co-moderator jshuman@telis.org ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for pointing this out. I, too, have done work on this family and have found “sources” fraught with error. My comment doesn’t really help except to confirm that we’re not “there” yet. ................................ Valerie A. Metzler, M. A., C. A. Valerie Metzler Archivist/Historian 114 Ruskin Drive Altoona, Pennsylvania 16602 814 932 1740 vmah@keyconn.net On 7 déc. 2013, at 00:12, James Shuman <jshuman@telis.org> wrote: > Sent on behalf of rricabee@aol.com, who has been having trouble getting messages posted: > > > bably 95% or more of the on-line posts on the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland have errors in them, either as to his parentage, his date of birth, his wive's names, or the names of his children. The latter are easily ascertainable from the will he left, and the names of the children Bill Thomas supplies are all correct there. Except he may not have noted that Kim's Anna Christina (Good) Huber was not among the children listed. > > > Richard > > > > James

Hi Dave, I would be interested in learning what you have on Jacob Hoover and Anna Good, especially with regard to documentation. I have found a good bit of information about them, but little of it is documented. They are my 5th great grandparents. Connie -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DESloan@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 12:42 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Good/Guth family confusion Jacob Huber/Hoover m. 1744 Anna Christina (Good) (Godde) Guth is my 1st cousin 6 times removed. I have some information on the Huber/Hoover line that I am always willing to share. Thanks, Dave In a message dated 12/7/2013 12:20:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jshuman@telis.org writes: Sent on behalf of rricabee@aol.com, who has been having trouble getting messages posted: Bill Thomas and Kim: I just read some posts you've made in the past few days and have to respectively disagree with several statements presented as facts. First, the Jacob Good who Bill writes about had a daughter "Anna" who did marry Peter Longnecker, as he correctly noted, but she was not the same Anna Christina Good who married Jacob Huber/Hoover, Kim's ancestor. Neither was Anna Christina a sister of Anna. The will of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD lists among his children the daughter Anna who married Peter Longenecker but not Mrs. Huber/Hoover. Neither do I believe that the "first" wife of the Jacob Good who died in Washington Co. MD was likely Elizabeth Gerber. The wife listed in his will is Barbara, and even though some claim her as a second wife, which I believe is likely correct as she had children by a prior marriage, and by their dates of birth it is apparent she was not the mother of many of the children of this Jacob Good, even though later she was his wife. I ! believe it was a different Jacob Good who married Elizabeth Gerber and lived for a time in Washington Co. MD but did not die there. The Elizabeth Gerber who married Jacob Good is claimed by others as moving to Virginia, where he died, and dates and circumstances involving his location lead me to believe this is correct. This error in connecting the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland with Elizabeth Gerber goes way back in time over 100 years ago, when Mr. Bell placed this in his book on Leitersburg I believe. There were land transactions whereby Michael Miller, step-father of Elizabeth Gerber transferred land to his stepdaughter and her husband, Jacob Good. This was very likely the source Mr. Bell used to make this connection, unless there were intermediate parties. But what they didn't know was that there was likely more than one Jacob Good living in the same area in Washington Co. Maryland, probably at the same time, and I believe the two were first cousins. It seems the one who moved to Virginia was a Brethren elder, and the one who remained in Washington Co. MD was claimed as Mennonite, though most of the children of the latter did join the Brethren church after their marriages. The youngest two sons were Lutheran and Mennonite. The only one who remained Mennonite t! hat I recall was the son who remained in Washington Co. MD after his father's death. Anna Christina Good was not a daughter of the Brethren Jacob Good either as they were born very close in years. Probably 95% or more of the on-line posts on the Jacob Good who died in 1797 in Washington Co. Maryland have errors in them, either as to his parentage, his date of birth, his wive's names, or the names of his children. The latter are easily ascertainable from the will he left, and the names of the children Bill Thomas supplies are all correct there. Except he may not have noted that Kim's Anna Christina (Good) Huber was not among the children listed. Richard James Shuman, Brethren List co-moderator jshuman@telis.org ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm a beginner at genealogy and joined the Brethren list because I saw some of my father's ancestors were buried in Brethren cemeteries, but I haven't gone back to see which ones. It's overwhelming when you start to put together a family tree. I haven't verified most of it yet, but I'm pretty confident about several Hubers and wondered if they were Brethren: Hans Ulrich Huber, b 1670 in Switzerland, d 1750 in Earl, PA; and his daughter Anne Elizabeth Huber, b 1714 in Germany, d 1744 in Earl, PA. Thanks, Linda Linda M Wroth lmwroth@me.com Richmond, California

Thanks, that was a trip down memory lane. Parmelia Jane Wise was married to James J McMillan on December 25, 1866, I probably have where they would have been living in 1895 somewhere in my files. After her death in 1901 he was married again more than once, but I only know to whom for one of the marriages. I did meet the granddaughter of that woman in Conway Springs around the time of this earlier email. The granddaughter , Cora Wise King, was living in a home Jame McMillan had built. Ruth On 12/8/2013 10:22 PM, orwahist wrote: > This is a old email for 1998 to the Brethren List. > > > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:24:07 -0400 > From: "J. M. Freed" <jmfreed@midohio.net> > To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <003d01bdddfc$f7e7c2a0$33ce33d1@jmfreed.midohio.net> > Subject: Conway Springs, KS COB Membership Lists > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Ruth asked about membership lists in the Conway Springs (Slate Creek) Church > of the Brethren in Sumner County, Kansas. Jan T. provided information from Craik's History of the Church of the Brethren in Kansas. Since the ministerial list provided names of four of my relatives [Daniel Meyers (also spelled Myers) was my g.g.grandfather, William Smith was my great grandfather, and Albert J. Smith and Emanuel Jeston Smith were sons of William and sisters of my grandmother], I started searching my files and DID find a partial membership list of this congregation. It reminds me that I should ALWAYS look at lists twice, because I found the name of my great grandfather, Henry Moyers (Myers,) on the list as well., which I had NOT > noticed before. > > The photocopy of the ten-page membership list that I have includes: > "Names of all the members, May 15, 1890", > "Names of all received into fellowship after May 15th, 1890" which ends in October 1896; > "Names of those who have recommended, and of those disfellowshipped, after May 15, 1890" which ends in December 1896 > "Deaths", which includes deaths from Oct. 10, 1890 to April 10, 1897. > > I do NOT know if the above is all the extant membership lists; the page > numbers on these handwritten pages begin with155 and ends perhaps on page > 168 (no page # on the "Deaths" page, but the prior page is page 167). > > The person in Wichita, Kansas who provided me with the photocopies indicated > that McPherson College holds the original records. She also submitted some (all?) > of the records for publication in the Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists Newsletter, > appearing in Vol. 15, #2, Summer 1983. > > Ruth asked about the families of John Wise, J.J. McMillan and F. C. Walker (Wacker). > The May 15, 1890 membership list does not contain any of these family names. > In other lists are included the following names and comments: > July 13, 1890, David Wise recd by letter > Feb. 14th, 1891, Daniel Wise reclaimed > Feb 18th, 1891, Olivia Wise, (Daniels wife) reclaimed > Nov. 15th, 1891, Letter given to Permelia McMillen > Nov. 9, 1895, Elder John and sister Nancy Wise received by letter > [Note: ordinarily, at this time, the term "sister" would not indicate a sibling, but > the wife of Elder John Wise, and probably does mean "wife" here. > The term "Sister" is used infrequently on these lists, except for the lists of deaths.] > Nov. 7, 1894, Letter granted to Elder John Wise and wife. > Feb. 9, 1895, Letter granted to Daniel Wise & wife. > [NOTE: I cannot explain the discrepancy in dates for John Wise and > wife; the "received by letter" is definitely within the 1895 dates, and in > another section that lists letters given, John Wise is definitely listed under 1894. > Perhaps they "came and went" twice, with these lists being incomplete. It's > interesting to me to see my grandmother's name and that of her father, Florence and > William Smith, as received by letter, and letter granted, both the same day, Nov. 9, > 1893. However, this apparent discrepancy may have just been "catching up" on > Membership records.] > > Sorry, Ruth, no mention of the Walker (Wacker) family name on these lists. > > As I looked through the list, I recognize many family names which are > Being studied by individuals on this Brethren Roots Group. These include in > Order of first mention (and the list below is NOT inclusive): > Arnold, Beckner, Bussard, Eikenberry, Frantz, Fasnacht, Funk, > Grove Grove, Garst, Holloway, Landis, Leatherman, Miller, Neher, > Nininger, Overholser, Pritchard, Stoner, Seese, Troxel, Ullery, Wolf, Zook, Pontius, Firestone, Pippinger, Ebersole, Wine, Skiles, Frances, Garst, Stanly, Overholt, Cripe > > If any reader is interested in the given names and dates and actions > of the above, please send an email request DIRECTLY TO ME (NOT THIS LIST) at > jmfeed@midohio.net , and I'll attempt to respond directly. > > Photocopy requests should go to a source (e.g., library) which has a copy of the FOBG Newsletter, or if interested in the original handwritten lists to: Brethren Archives at the Miller Library, McPherson College, McPherson, KS 67460. > I'd recommend sending a couple of $, and a SASE to the Miller Library > to partially cover their expenses. > > --Jim Freed, Delaware, OH-- > jmfreed@midohio.net > > > In a message dated 12/08/13 14:55:36 Pacific Standard Time, raggs@cox.net writes: > Elder John was part of a Church of the Brethern in Conway Springs, KS in the > early 1900's but that is about all I know. > > -----Original Message----- > From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of winter dellenbach > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 3:52 PM > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethern settling in Illinois and/or Kansas > > One last thing I meant to include - was there a Brethren colony/ > settlement/church established in Sumner Co and when? > winter > On Dec 8, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Andrea Colley wrote: > >> I hope I've done this correctly, but I'm trying to find out why my GGG >> Grandfather Elder John Wise left the Ten Mile Creek Congregation in >> Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/ >> Vandalia area. Later Elder John and his son David Mathias moved to >> Sumner County Kansas but I haven't been able to identify any reason >> for the move other than homesteading. >> >> I'm assuming that they travelled the Cumberland Road since it passed >> through western PA and ended in Vandalia. >> >> I am also unable to find where David Mathias' first wife, Martha >> Louise is buried and if Elder John had any involvement in the church >> in Illinois. I do know that he attended many annual meetings serving >> as moderator or reader. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Andrea Wise Kidd Colley >> >> >> ------------------------ Search the >> Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ Search the Archives > at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for any information on Ludwig Miller who was born in 1720’s and died 1813 in Fayette Co., Pa. He was married to Barbara Grable and per his will had children: Samuel, Nicholas, Catherine, Hannah, Elizabeth, Solomon, David, Mary, Jacob, Abraham and Rebeccah. He lived in Manellen and Luzerne Twps. of Fayette Co. It is reported that he migrated with his cousins, George Craft (born 1727) and Joseph Grable (b.c1725), from Chester Co., Pa. to northern Md (lived on Pa/Md border) in 1750’s then to Fayette Co. about 1771. Have not been able to determine when the cousins came to US and who their parents were (except John Kraft is reported to have been father of George). Indications are that they all came from Nuremberg, Germany. Also, trying to determine what happened to some of Ludwig’s children i.e. David, Mary, Jacob and Rebeccah. Several descendants/researchers have done DNA testing and we would really like to find other Ludwig descendants so we could compare DNA results. Based on his associations, it would appear that Ludwig was of Brethren faith. My personal objective is trying to determine if my David Miller was son of this Ludwig. My David was born early 1750’s, married Deborah Zook (d/o Peter Zook the Brethren preacher), lived in Fayette Co/Washington Co., Pa. in 1780-90’s and migrated to Nelson Co., Ky. in 1795 with his brother-in-law David Zook (he settled in Franklin Co., Ky.). DNA testing shows a familial relationship between my David and Ludwig Miller. Also, proximity and timing work but need more information to nail down the familial relationship. Any insight into Ludwig and his family would be greatly appreciated. Art Miller, Louisville

Andrea, As far as I know he did not. He would have been very elderly. The record I found for J J McMillan is dated 1904, Elder John Wise died in 1909. J J McMillan was married to Parmelia Jane Wise. Here is a url to the land records: http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/details/patent/default.aspx?accession=OK1230__.294&docClass=STA&sid=ws5qvf2u.qph#patentDetailsTabIndex=0 I still haven't found my file with my great grandfather. My daughter in law was in Olkahoma City on business and looked them up at the records office while she was close by. I'm not sure but if I remember correctly he left that land to his son Earl McMillan. That family was scattered during the Great Depression. If my memory is correct. Ruth On 12/8/2013 8:14 PM, Andrea Colley wrote: > Thanks Ruth! Elder John didn't join the land rush though, did he? It's > neat that we have the same GGG grandfather. I have been having computer > trouble and lost your address. I'm using my husband's now until my new one > is set up. Hopefully I'll be able to open up the Words to the Wise > newsletters. > > ac > > -----Original Message----- > From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Ruth Hoese > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:46 PM > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethern settling in Illinois and/or Kansas > > I know for a fact my 3ggrandfather Elder John Wise did farm in KS, and his > son in law my great, great grandfather JJ MCMillian, along with his son in > law my great grandfather Fred Walker, in fact did join the land rush and > have recorded property rights from that land rush. I don't have the dates > on the records as I have filed the scans away on this computer and cannot > find them right this minute. I believe McMillian passed his land on to a > son, but I do not remember which one, although I met one of that sons > descendants some time ago. > > In the Words to the Wise newsletter quite a few years ago I printed this > excerpt from a letter concerning how the farm was doing, I have not located > my transcript of that letter either, but will try to find it and post it. I > find it sweet and charming and keep reminding myself of the beginning of the > letter - Times are good here. > /Times are good here. You wanted to know what I am working at. I am not > working I am going to school. I will complete the business course in about > five weeks, and then I don't know what I will do, but I am going to try to > get a place somewhere....We have had an awful pleasant winter here, we > haven't had enough snow to make a good snow ball. // /He goes on to talk > about the wheat or corn harvest - Excerpt from a letter to Anna Belle > Walker from her cousin John W. Wise of Conway Springs, KS March 4, 1901. > > Ruth Hoese > / > / > Excerpt from a letter to Anna Belle Walker from her cousin John W. Wise of > Conway Springs, KS March 4, 1901 Ruth Hoese > > On 12/8/2013 3:50 PM, winter dellenbach wrote: >> Look at the date. The date of big moves can lead you to the reason or >> to an intelligent conjecture once you look up what was happening in >> the area for just prior and at the time in the place they moved. A RR >> opened? Land opened? Sumner Co. KS is in S. KS and a good place to >> wait for what was then the OK Territory to open to non-Native >> settlement. The OK Land Rush of 1889 for instance. Some of my >> ancestors went to Sumner Co. and then rode in the Land Rush - a good >> launching point. There were a number of years of Grover Cleveland >> making up his mind to open OK (and break yet another treaty with >> Natives) so people assumed it would open up. >> So - go back to dates and go from there. \ Winter On Dec 8, 2013, at >> 12:55 PM, Andrea Colley wrote: >> >>> I hope I've done this correctly, but I'm trying to find out why my >>> GGG Grandfather Elder John Wise left the Ten Mile Creek Congregation >>> in Washington County Pennsylvania and settled in the Mulberry Grove/ >>> Vandalia area. Later Elder John and his son David Mathias moved to >>> Sumner County Kansas but I haven't been able to identify any reason >>> for the move other than homesteading. >>> >>> I'm assuming that they travelled the Cumberland Road since it passed >>> through western PA and ended in Vandalia. >>> >>> I am also unable to find where David Mathias' first wife, Martha >>> Louise is buried and if Elder John had any involvement in the church >>> in Illinois. I do know that he attended many annual meetings serving >>> as moderator or reader. >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Andrea Wise Kidd Colley >>> >>> >>> ------------------------ Search the >>> Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> ------------------------ Search the >> Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ Search the Archives > at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have seen several entries on Ancestry.com about Johannes David Mueller born 1715 in Rineland-Pfalz, Germany and married to Elizabeth Barbara Ludwig. I don’t find much information on him.....when he came to US, where he lived, etc. There are claims that he was father of David Miller born 1744, died 1848 and married to Deborah Zook. This David is my line and I have seen no hard information that indicates there is a connection to this Johannes. If anyone can help determine the validity of this familial relationship please advise. Thanks, Art Miller, Louisville

Maryland land records are online. Beverly Railey Robinson Sent from my iPad On Dec 8, 2013, at 8:48 PM, rricabee@aol.com wrote: > > > The Michael Miller book explains about the land Michael Miller provided supposedly for his step daughter married to Jacob Good. ? > > > This was a site I use to use for land records, which had the location and description of several of the Good family land parcels, but I notice now that it is a dead link. ?Anyone know if they were put elsewhere? > ? > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.ancestry.com/MD/washington/plats/NewTable.html > > > But, Kim, neither of these Jacob Goods were the father of your Anna Christina (Good) Huber. > > > I'm not collecting information on the Hubers but just tracing the Good/Guth links. > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message