Good morning I am on the hunt for some papers in a private collection referenced in Ray Neff's *Valley of the Shadow*. He refers to them as the Caroline (Harper) Long Papers and says that they include oral histories from Brethren done in the 1880s. At the time of his writing, they belonged to a Mildred Bailey. Does anyone reading this have ANY idea where these might be? I wrote Mr Neff about them, but he was too ill to reply. He subsequently died, perhaps taking the secret of these papers to his grave. Also, Neff refers to an article on Kline published in the Baltimore Sun in 1922 by a Beth Rhoades, grand-daughter to Caroline Long. I have checked the index to the Sun and the Sunday Sun and have had no luck finding this. Does any have any insights that might be helpful for locating this, too. Any leads that anyone may have would be appreciated. © Christopher Christopher Eads 1140 Lincolnshire Dr Harrisonburg VA 22802

Thank you, Merle, for the additional info!! I will look into Nicholas Martin and who knows maybe I'll find the answer. For DAR purposes, some people have claimed that Elizabeth was the dau. of Salathiel Martin. However the family Bible states his dau. Elizabeth was born in 17?? (torn or smudged) and she is listed between siblings b. 1785 and 1789. That would lead me to believe that Elizabeth was b. 1789. Also the month is not the same as on my Elizabeth's tombstone. When I discovered that Sears family was usually near a Dunkard church, I thought possibly Daniel m. the dau. of an Elder of the church or a member of the church. I really appreciate you taking time to look into this for me. I'll keep looking and maybe one day I'll have the answer. Thanks!!! ---- Merle Rummel <cliff@nwwnet.net> wrote: > > > Thank you for the info. At least now I know that David Martin could not be > the father of > my Elizabeth since he died in 1794 and she was born in 1795. I'll see what > I can find with > some of his children. Maybe my Elizabeth was the daughter of one of > David's sons.****************** > David Martin was in South Carolina, as were those of his brothers and > sisters who went on south - George Adam Martin's brother, Nicholas Martin, > lived in Maryland, but is noted in North Carolina (I think he was either > in the Uhwarrie River area, or at the Forks of the Yadkin). It would be > His Children where I would look for family connections (and in my files, I > only have one son - out of how many). > > I have Martins in the Kentucky churches and I did not have enough > information to know where they came from. As I suggest above, I think any > connection would be found with the Nicholas Martin clan (especially since > they were from North Carolina). > > - your Daniel Sears of course married Elizabeth Martin (1817) - at that > time the Sears family was living in Simpson/Logan Co (Drakes Creek Area) - > near the Tennessee border (vicinity of I-65). That does not mean that > Elizabeth was living in the Drakes Creek area - there was travel between > the churches, especially over to Muhlenberg Co and up toward Louisville. > Samuel Sears (father of Daniel) - and probably the whole family - moved to > Sangamon Co IL about 1828 (when a number of those western Brethren moved - > and became "the Far Western Brethren" of 1850 Illinois), then about 1840 to > Lee Co IA, where Samuel Sears died. (In my Sears Family file) I had the > destination for Daniel and Elizabeth listed for Decatur Co IA. > > Daniel's cousin -Mary Sears (dau of Jacob Sears/Mary Huffstutter) married > Josiah Martin in 1831. That family had moved across the Ohio River to > Harrison Co IN about 1814. Most of these families moved on to Vermillion > Co IN. I do not know if there is a connection there - with your Elizabeth > Martin > > -David Wright married an Elizabeth Martin in 1838. They lived in > Washington Co - south of Salem IN - just north of Harrison Co. The Wrights > were Brethren from the Carolinas - and were instrumental in leading the > Brethren into the Disciples of Christ Church. John Wright, father of > David, was a preacher (with 2 of this brothers) in the Blue River Baptist > Association - which went Disciples just before they led the Brethren > Association into the Disciples. > > There were other Martins in the Kentucky area - I did not pursue this > family name - these are the only ones I included. > > Merle > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for the info. At least now I know that David Martin could not be the father of my Elizabeth since he died in 1794 and she was born in 1795. I'll see what I can find with some of his children. Maybe my Elizabeth was the daughter of one of David's sons.****************** David Martin was in South Carolina, as were those of his brothers and sisters who went on south - George Adam Martin's brother, Nicholas Martin, lived in Maryland, but is noted in North Carolina (I think he was either in the Uhwarrie River area, or at the Forks of the Yadkin). It would be His Children where I would look for family connections (and in my files, I only have one son - out of how many). I have Martins in the Kentucky churches and I did not have enough information to know where they came from. As I suggest above, I think any connection would be found with the Nicholas Martin clan (especially since they were from North Carolina). - your Daniel Sears of course married Elizabeth Martin (1817) - at that time the Sears family was living in Simpson/Logan Co (Drakes Creek Area) - near the Tennessee border (vicinity of I-65). That does not mean that Elizabeth was living in the Drakes Creek area - there was travel between the churches, especially over to Muhlenberg Co and up toward Louisville. Samuel Sears (father of Daniel) - and probably the whole family - moved to Sangamon Co IL about 1828 (when a number of those western Brethren moved - and became "the Far Western Brethren" of 1850 Illinois), then about 1840 to Lee Co IA, where Samuel Sears died. (In my Sears Family file) I had the destination for Daniel and Elizabeth listed for Decatur Co IA. Daniel's cousin -Mary Sears (dau of Jacob Sears/Mary Huffstutter) married Josiah Martin in 1831. That family had moved across the Ohio River to Harrison Co IN about 1814. Most of these families moved on to Vermillion Co IN. I do not know if there is a connection there - with your Elizabeth Martin -David Wright married an Elizabeth Martin in 1838. They lived in Washington Co - south of Salem IN - just north of Harrison Co. The Wrights were Brethren from the Carolinas - and were instrumental in leading the Brethren into the Disciples of Christ Church. John Wright, father of David, was a preacher (with 2 of this brothers) in the Blue River Baptist Association - which went Disciples just before they led the Brethren Association into the Disciples. There were other Martins in the Kentucky area - I did not pursue this family name - these are the only ones I included. Merle

Thank you for the info. At least now I know that David Martin could not be the father of my Elizabeth since he died in 1794 and she was born in 1795. I'll see what I can find with some of his children. Maybe my Elizabeth was the daughter of one of David's sons. I presume I would not be able to find any more info at the Brethren Heritage in Brookville? I live in Bowling Green, OH and have thought going to Brookville might be worthwhile. Please let me know whether you think there might be additional info there. Thank you. Donna ---- Merle Rummel <cliff@nwwnet.net> wrote: > Elizabeth Martin and her husband Daniel Sears > > Elder David Martin was one of the leaders of the original movement in the > Carolinas. Perhaps he was an > ancestor of your Elizabeth Martin. > > ******************* > Elder David Martin - eldest son of Elder George Adam Martin did not have a > known daughter named Elizabeth. > He died in 1794, living in Newberry Co South Carolina > > David MARTIN m. c1765 ?Martha Anna > LESLIE > b.8 Oct 1737 Conestoga PA > d. c July 1794 Newberry Co SC > f. George Adam Martin f. James > Lessly ? > m. Mary Knepper m. > Sybil ? > ch: > Catherine m. Block > Hester m. Colley > David > Deborah > Ruth > George m. Sarah > Solomon > Samuel > Elder, Newberry Co SC Churches > Leading elder of Universalist movement > > > > > > > > I do not have much information on the Martin family - this is all I have on > David, and not near this much on his brothers and sisters. Most of these > siblings lived in South Carolina or Georgia. One brother lived in Virginia > and another stayed in Pennsylvania. > > Elder George Adam Martin had a brother, Elder Nicholas Martin. - 1/w > Elizabeth Zun 2/w Susannah Ulrich > I have only one child for Nicholas. son John Nicholas > I know there were other children of Nicholas who went to the Carolinas (at > least - he moved down there for a while, then returned to Maryland) - I > just have no information. > > Merle C Rummel > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I'm looking for the parents of Elizabeth Martin, b. 15 Sep 1795 in NC, d. 18 Oct 1875 Leon, Decatur, IA, m. Daniel Sears 26 May 1817 Logan Co, KY. They lived also in Sangamon Co, Ill, Howard Co, MO, Jefferson Co, IA as well as Decatur Co, IA. In Jefferson Co, IA they are members of the Brethren Church in Liberty Twp. In Decatur Co, they were members of the Franklin Brethren Church and they are buried in the Franklin Cemetery. Would there have been an Elder Martin in KY around 1817 who had been in NC before that? I'm really stretching to try to figure this out. All records in court house in Decatur Co were destroyed in 1880 so we have no will, land records there. Court house records in Logan Co KY were also destroyed so I'm told. There is an index that states they were married but no parents names. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Donna Schmidt ---- Art <amiller44@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Does anyone have a good timeline showing the major movements/events for Elder George Adam Martin? The references that I have seen are not all that clear but I have pieced together the following: > >Martin was ordained at Coventry Church by Peter Becker 1739. He was baptized in 1737 (at Coventry?) > >He was pastor at Little Conewago Church in York Co, Pa. in 1741 > >In 1743 he and some families withdrew and formed Bermudian Church at East Berlin, York in now Adams Co., Pa. Daniel Leatherman replaced him at Conewago. > >During the 1757 awakening, he attended a meeting at Eagle Church at Antietam at house of Joseph Greybuhl (I assume this is the same as Grable?) > Is this near Hagerstown? I know Joseph Grable lived near there. > >In 1762 he went from Ephrata to Antietam Church in Franklin Co., Pa. to work with Conrad Beissel and George Horn to establish hermitage which became Snow Hill. > He was on tax lists in Antrim Twp of Franklin Co. 1751, 1753 1762-7. I gather he had his own church there? > >In 1762, a church trial took place at Conewago Church wherein Martin was excommunicated. Those defending him included John Steiner, Peter and Abraham Knepper, Frederick Fuherman, George Schietier and Peter Zug. > >In 1768, he went to Stoney Creek Congregation in Bedford Co.,Pa. Apparently he was in and out of here quite a bit. > >He died 1794 at Brothers Valley, Bedford Co., Pa. Buried at Ephrata in Lancaster Co. > Apparently he was in and out of Ephrata quite a bit. Did he go there from Coventry? Or go directly to York Co.? > Part of my confusion has to do with references to the Antietam Church. One clear reference is about the Antietam Church in Franklin Co. and another reference seems to talk about the Antietam Church as being near where Joseph Grable lived near Hagerstown. Wondering how the Conococheaque Congregation fits into this. Also the Mumma Church near Sharpsburg? In other words, did the Antietam Church cover an area from southern Franklin Co., Pa. across most of Washington Co., Md. and this area include several local churches under the Antietam Church umbrella? > I am trying to determine how Elder Martin might have interacted with several of my families e.g. Ludwig Miller (not the son of Michael), George Craft, Joseph Grable, George Leatherman, Peter Zook all of whom were in the southern Pa/Washington and Frederick, Md and moved to Fayette/Washington Co., Pa. These connections apparently go back to Conestoga/Ephrata and Coventry/Germantown as part of the overall Brethren movements. > Any clarification of all this would be appreciated. > Art Miller, Louisville > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth Martin and her husband Daniel Sears Elder David Martin was one of the leaders of the original movement in the Carolinas. Perhaps he was an ancestor of your Elizabeth Martin. ******************* Elder David Martin - eldest son of Elder George Adam Martin did not have a known daughter named Elizabeth. He died in 1794, living in Newberry Co South Carolina David MARTIN m. c1765 ?Martha Anna LESLIE b.8 Oct 1737 Conestoga PA d. c July 1794 Newberry Co SC f. George Adam Martin f. James Lessly ? m. Mary Knepper m. Sybil ? ch: Catherine m. Block Hester m. Colley David Deborah Ruth George m. Sarah Solomon Samuel Elder, Newberry Co SC Churches Leading elder of Universalist movement I do not have much information on the Martin family - this is all I have on David, and not near this much on his brothers and sisters. Most of these siblings lived in South Carolina or Georgia. One brother lived in Virginia and another stayed in Pennsylvania. Elder George Adam Martin had a brother, Elder Nicholas Martin. - 1/w Elizabeth Zun 2/w Susannah Ulrich I have only one child for Nicholas. son John Nicholas I know there were other children of Nicholas who went to the Carolinas (at least - he moved down there for a while, then returned to Maryland) - I just have no information. Merle C Rummel

Dear Donna, Elizabeth Martin and her husband Daniel Sears left Sangamon County, IL, in 1830 after the census was taken. They moved with other Sears families to Scottville Township in Macoupin County, IL. The Daniel Sears family stayed in Macoupin until 1836, after which they moved to Iowa. Daniel was the son of Samuel Sears who lived in Logan County, KY, in 1810, with eight males and four females. In the census his name was spelled "Searse." He lived in the part of Logan County which later became Simpson County. This part of Kentucky, known as Drakes Creek, had a large Brethren population consisting of outcasts from North Carolina whose leaders were Universalists (Restitutionists) along with being Brethren. These Kentucky Brethren also became outcasts around 1830 when they packed up and moved northward to Illinois and Missouri and eventually Iowa. Elder David Martin was one of the leaders of the original movement in the Carolinas. Perhaps he was an ancestor of your Elizabeth Martin. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of schmidtdk@woh.rr.com Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:17 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Elder George Adam Martin I'm looking for the parents of Elizabeth Martin, b. 15 Sep 1795 in NC, d. 18 Oct 1875 Leon, Decatur, IA, m. Daniel Sears 26 May 1817 Logan Co, KY. They lived also in Sangamon Co, Ill, Howard Co, MO, Jefferson Co, IA as well as Decatur Co, IA. In Jefferson Co, IA they are members of the Brethren Church in Liberty Twp. In Decatur Co, they were members of the Franklin Brethren Church and they are buried in the Franklin Cemetery. Would there have been an Elder Martin in KY around 1817 who had been in NC before that? I'm really stretching to try to figure this out. All records in court house in Decatur Co were destroyed in 1880 so we have no will, land records there. Court house records in Logan Co KY were also destroyed so I'm told. There is an index that states they were married but no parents names. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Donna Schmidt

A few comments and additional info on George Adam Martin: George Martin had a 9/6/1762 land warrant in Antrim Township that was patented on 3/20/1765. Two of his neighbors were Henry Thomas (later of Bedford County, with Brethren connections) and Henry Rhodes, later of Brothersvalley/Stonycreek Township Somerset County. The property is shown on survey map A-24-25 (see PA Archive website). I did some investigation a few years ago locating the area of this property (my interest was in Henry Thomas). It is on the west slope of South Mountain, near the Maryland border, and about 15 miles 'as the crow flies' from Hagerstown. This is near the route General Lee used to invade Pennsylvania in June, 1863. The Stonycreek Congregation led by Martin would not have formed until after 1768, when this area was opened up to settlement. The only people there prior to that were trappers and a few squatters, who lived near Turkeyfoot (Confluence, PA). None of the Brethren are on the 1768 list of squatters. There was an old route called the Turkeyfoot Road that went from Maryland to Confluence, that passed through Salisbury, PA. If there were pre-1768 Brethren, Salisbury would be the most likely area they would have lived. Abraham Cable, an early member on Edward's 1770 Stonycreek Congregation list, lived near Salisbury. Problem is that area was primarily settled by Amish after 1771, who later converted to Brethren while in Somerset County. A number of other names associated with the the Edward's 1770 list lived in what is now Stonycreek Township (Rhodes, Kimmel, Newmoyer). We have 1770 accounts of Rhodes and Newmoyer, who were identified as 'hunters'. The access to Stonycreek Township was via Forbes Road, the modern Route 30. Route 30 goes through Gettysburg. The early Brethren in Somerset County are found from Salisbury heading north through the Berlin area, and up to the Stonycreek Township area I doubt he would have died in Somerset County and then be buried in Ephrata. It would have taken weeks to get there, and with no embalming. Bill Thomas

Thanks Merle. I see that Cooper shows a couple dates (1762 and 1764) when Martin went to Brothers Valley. What is confusing is that Martin shows on Antrim tax lists through 1768. Cooper does comment on this...maybe he was still landowner there although he was mostly in BV. Art -----Original Message----- From: Merle Rummel Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:04 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Elder George Adam Martin ---------------------------------------- Does anyone have a good timeline showing the major movements/events for Elder George Adam Martin? The references that I have seen are not all that clear but I have pieced together the following: ************ No - I have some of what you gave, a difference is on his date of movement to Brothers Valley - I had that it was in 1764. I had from Austin Cooper (I think) that George Adam Martin and Peter Miller moved there in 1764. That was when Jacob Miller seems to have moved there also - likely because fo George Adam Martin and Peter Miller. Jacob was already a minister, Cooper found that he was advanced to Eldership in Stony Creek in 1765. By 1766 Jacob had returned to Maryland - to the Monocacy (west at the Blue Ridge). There was considerable conflict in the Stony Creek Church that year - likely with George Adam Martin's Pietism. George Adam Martin seems to have a lot of connection to the people that migrated to Kentucky. I have found a strong Pietist emphasis in the Kentucky migration - and it seems to George Adam Martin's type of Pietism. He broke from Ephrata, but was not accepted by the Elders of Annual Meeting. Several of his sons went to the Carolinas and Georgia. There is record somewhere that George Adam made several visits/trips to them - I think it was Abraham that was in Virginia (now West Virginia) where George Adam went one time. His son, David Martin, was a leading Elder in the Carolina/Georgia area. David's death in 1794 was just prior to the action by Annual Meeting against the "Universalism" in the Crolina Churches, so he is not referenced in it. I suspect that if he hadn't died, he would have been a prime contestant. I did not have the information on the 1762 Ban at the Conewago Church - thanks. I was told that there is an extent copy of a writing by George Adam Martin - that it is in German, and has never been translated. I would like to know some details of what he believed. I have that Elder Nicholas Martin was his brother - and I wonder if an Everhard Martin might have another - the Rachel Martin Stump Kimmel of Mulhenberg Co KY - is not the daughter of George Adam Martin - Rachel (c1765-c1810) 1/m c1780, Francis Stump - 2/m 1801, Phillip Kimmel -Muhlenberg Co KY father: Everhard Martin, mother: Jacobine E Wunderlich Merle C Rummel ************ George Adam MARTIN.........m. c1745..............Mary KNEPPER b. 27 Jun 1716 Landstuhl Germany..................b.............c1720 d. 29 Apr 1794 Brothers Valley PA.....................d. 10 Mar 1770 Ephrata bur: Stony Creek f. Johannas Georg Martin..................................f. Wilhelm Knepper m. Anna Marie Hahn..........................................m. Veronica Blohm ch: ....David........(1737-1794)..m..........Ann Leslie...................Newberry Co SC ....George Jr....................................................................Newberry Co SC ....James.........................................................................Ninety-Six District SC ....Lemuel ....Peter ....Jesse ....dau................................m...........Joseph Glessner ....dau................................m...........George Heffler ....Elijah..........(1751-1818)................................................Jones Co GA ....Solomon ....Joshua.......(1757-1845)................................................................PA ....Maryem.....(1765-1846)..m. 1784, Stephen Hill................Delaware Co OH ....Abraham ....John..............................................................................Ninety-Six District SC ....William brother to Elder Nicholas Martin 1737 - baptized 1739 - ordained at Coventry Church by Peter Becker 1741 - pastor at Little Conewago Church in York Co, Pa. 1743 - formed Bermudian Church 1762 - Antietam Church in Franklin Co., Pa - Snow Hill 1762 - church trial at Conewago Church - Martin was excommunicated 1764 - to Stoney Creek Congregation, Brothers Valley in Bedford Co.,Pa 1794 - Brothers Valley, Bedford Co., Pa. Buried at Ephrata in Lancaster Co. If anyone can add or give correction to what I have - please let me know - ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

---------------------------------------- Does anyone have a good timeline showing the major movements/events for Elder George Adam Martin? The references that I have seen are not all that clear but I have pieced together the following: ************ No - I have some of what you gave, a difference is on his date of movement to Brothers Valley - I had that it was in 1764. I had from Austin Cooper (I think) that George Adam Martin and Peter Miller moved there in 1764. That was when Jacob Miller seems to have moved there also - likely because fo George Adam Martin and Peter Miller. Jacob was already a minister, Cooper found that he was advanced to Eldership in Stony Creek in 1765. By 1766 Jacob had returned to Maryland - to the Monocacy (west at the Blue Ridge). There was considerable conflict in the Stony Creek Church that year - likely with George Adam Martin's Pietism. George Adam Martin seems to have a lot of connection to the people that migrated to Kentucky. I have found a strong Pietist emphasis in the Kentucky migration - and it seems to George Adam Martin's type of Pietism. He broke from Ephrata, but was not accepted by the Elders of Annual Meeting. Several of his sons went to the Carolinas and Georgia. There is record somewhere that George Adam made several visits/trips to them - I think it was Abraham that was in Virginia (now West Virginia) where George Adam went one time. His son, David Martin, was a leading Elder in the Carolina/Georgia area. David's death in 1794 was just prior to the action by Annual Meeting against the "Universalism" in the Crolina Churches, so he is not referenced in it. I suspect that if he hadn't died, he would have been a prime contestant. I did not have the information on the 1762 Ban at the Conewago Church - thanks. I was told that there is an extent copy of a writing by George Adam Martin - that it is in German, and has never been translated. I would like to know some details of what he believed. I have that Elder Nicholas Martin was his brother - and I wonder if an Everhard Martin might have another - the Rachel Martin Stump Kimmel of Mulhenberg Co KY - is not the daughter of George Adam Martin - Rachel (c1765-c1810) 1/m c1780, Francis Stump - 2/m 1801, Phillip Kimmel -Muhlenberg Co KY father: Everhard Martin, mother: Jacobine E Wunderlich Merle C Rummel ************ George Adam MARTIN.........m. c1745..............Mary KNEPPER b. 27 Jun 1716 Landstuhl Germany..................b.............c1720 d. 29 Apr 1794 Brothers Valley PA.....................d. 10 Mar 1770 Ephrata bur: Stony Creek f. Johannas Georg Martin..................................f. Wilhelm Knepper m. Anna Marie Hahn..........................................m. Veronica Blohm ch: ....David........(1737-1794)..m..........Ann Leslie...................Newberry Co SC ....George Jr....................................................................Newberry Co SC ....James.........................................................................Ninety-Six District SC ....Lemuel ....Peter ....Jesse ....dau................................m...........Joseph Glessner ....dau................................m...........George Heffler ....Elijah..........(1751-1818)................................................Jones Co GA ....Solomon ....Joshua.......(1757-1845)................................................................PA ....Maryem.....(1765-1846)..m. 1784, Stephen Hill................Delaware Co OH ....Abraham ....John..............................................................................Ninety-Six District SC ....William brother to Elder Nicholas Martin 1737 - baptized 1739 - ordained at Coventry Church by Peter Becker 1741 - pastor at Little Conewago Church in York Co, Pa. 1743 - formed Bermudian Church 1762 - Antietam Church in Franklin Co., Pa - Snow Hill 1762 - church trial at Conewago Church - Martin was excommunicated 1764 - to Stoney Creek Congregation, Brothers Valley in Bedford Co.,Pa 1794 - Brothers Valley, Bedford Co., Pa. Buried at Ephrata in Lancaster Co. If anyone can add or give correction to what I have - please let me know -

Does anyone have a good timeline showing the major movements/events for Elder George Adam Martin? The references that I have seen are not all that clear but I have pieced together the following: >Martin was ordained at Coventry Church by Peter Becker 1739. He was baptized in 1737 (at Coventry?) >He was pastor at Little Conewago Church in York Co, Pa. in 1741 >In 1743 he and some families withdrew and formed Bermudian Church at East Berlin, York in now Adams Co., Pa. Daniel Leatherman replaced him at Conewago. >During the 1757 awakening, he attended a meeting at Eagle Church at Antietam at house of Joseph Greybuhl (I assume this is the same as Grable?) Is this near Hagerstown? I know Joseph Grable lived near there. >In 1762 he went from Ephrata to Antietam Church in Franklin Co., Pa. to work with Conrad Beissel and George Horn to establish hermitage which became Snow Hill. He was on tax lists in Antrim Twp of Franklin Co. 1751, 1753 1762-7. I gather he had his own church there? >In 1762, a church trial took place at Conewago Church wherein Martin was excommunicated. Those defending him included John Steiner, Peter and Abraham Knepper, Frederick Fuherman, George Schietier and Peter Zug. >In 1768, he went to Stoney Creek Congregation in Bedford Co.,Pa. Apparently he was in and out of here quite a bit. >He died 1794 at Brothers Valley, Bedford Co., Pa. Buried at Ephrata in Lancaster Co. Apparently he was in and out of Ephrata quite a bit. Did he go there from Coventry? Or go directly to York Co.? Part of my confusion has to do with references to the Antietam Church. One clear reference is about the Antietam Church in Franklin Co. and another reference seems to talk about the Antietam Church as being near where Joseph Grable lived near Hagerstown. Wondering how the Conococheaque Congregation fits into this. Also the Mumma Church near Sharpsburg? In other words, did the Antietam Church cover an area from southern Franklin Co., Pa. across most of Washington Co., Md. and this area include several local churches under the Antietam Church umbrella? I am trying to determine how Elder Martin might have interacted with several of my families e.g. Ludwig Miller (not the son of Michael), George Craft, Joseph Grable, George Leatherman, Peter Zook all of whom were in the southern Pa/Washington and Frederick, Md and moved to Fayette/Washington Co., Pa. These connections apparently go back to Conestoga/Ephrata and Coventry/Germantown as part of the overall Brethren movements. Any clarification of all this would be appreciated. Art Miller, Louisville

Hi, In 1976 Elizabeth M. Lane wrote my father asking for his family information to be included in a book titled "Early Brethren Families and Their Associates in the Miami Valley". I wrote the list in 2002 and asked if the book had ever been published and got an answer from Joe Bosserman that it was still being complied by Elizabeth M. Lane and would be published by the Southern District of Ohio Church of the Brethren. Was the book ever published?? Thanks. Yours, Eric Blocher

Thanks, Wayne. I knew Gale has done some work on the Montgomery County Beckers. He has told me that someone needs to work them out, but he doesn't have time. Living in New England, I don't really have ready access to the necessary records (if they exist). It is feasible that John and Peter are related. I do have a Peter Becker (1740-1803) listed as John's (1758-1824) older brother, but have very little information on him, and am not even certain that this is a correct entry in my database. The Henry Becker bio-sketch says John was born in Bedford County, which was impossible, since Bedford County was not formed from Cumberland County until 1771. Cumberland County, in turn, had been formed from Lancaster County in 1750. The sketch goes on to say that John had lived for a while in Lancaster County. Either the family moved back to east to Lancaster County for a period of time, or the writer was confused on the history of the area. For that matter, it is doubtful that John was born in "Bedford County," because the first white birth recorded within the bounds of that county was 1759. In all probability John was born in Lancaster County. We do know that John's wife, Anna Stauffer Eshelmaan, was born in Rapho Twp, Lancaster County. The bio-sketch also lists Henry's father, John Jr, as having been born 1791 in Bedford County which is possible, although I am told there is a family group sheet in the Martinsburg Library which lists him and his older sister as being born in Lancaster County. This needs to be checked out. In any case, John and Anna's fourth child, David (b. Nov 1795), and succeeding children have all been listed as being born in Somerset County - which is possible since Somerset was formed from Bedford County in April 1795. The presence of a family group sheet in the Martinsburg Library does hint that there could have been a tie with Morrison's Cove. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Webb" <SpiWebb@aol.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:57 AM Subject: [BRE] Becker family(s?) of Montgomery County, Ohio > Bob, > > > > I have worked on the Peter Becker, alias Baker, who lived in and was > possibly an owner of Liberty in Jefferson township, Montgomery county, > Ohio. > He hailed from Morrison's Cove, Bedford county, Pennsylvania, and before > that Franklin county, Pennsylvania. And yes, he is part of the difficult > to > research Brethren Peter Becker family of Franklin county, Pennsylvania. > > > > I was finally able to deduce that a small estate on file in Bedford > county, > Pennsylvania, actually only a horse and a saddle, that alludes that a > Peter > Becker having died in Stark county, Ohio, was actually Peter Becker who > died > in Montgomery county in about 1818. His widow would then marry Solomon > Sanford and move to Indiana if memory serves me correctly and become > Christian Church. One of her sons by Peter would become a minister in > that > church. It might have been a grandson. > > > > Of course I cannot now locate all the research notes I compiled with the > assistance of Gale Honeyman. I do recall that there were some surprises > within Peter's estate that amazed even him. Some of this family moved to > Indiana and one or two moved to the northern parts of Montgomery county > and, > I believe, into Miami county. > > > > I have Peter's estate images in my computer partly processed. It is an > extremely large estate and very convoluted which is why the processing > languishes. He was German Baptist. > > > > Cordially, > > A. Wayne Webb > > Historian: German Baptist Brethren Church > > Past Editor: Brethren Roots > > Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Books > <http://books.brethrenarchives.com> > > Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Ministers > <http://mincon.brethrenarchives.com/> & Congregations > > Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Almanacs, > <http://books1.brethrenarchives.com/> Annuals & Yearbooks > > Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Offerings > <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/> > > In other words: Chief Bottle Washer and Cook > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:57:51 -0500 > > From: "Bob Harter" <rharter36@myfairpoint.net> > > Subject: [BRE] Becker family(s?) of Montgomery County, Ohio > > To: "Brethren List" <BRETHREN@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <D7DE40B41F9E4EEFB9C3812E85776F63@RHarterPC> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Returning to the present, has anyone done work on the Montgomery County, > > Ohio, Beckers? Do they all trace back to John Becker or are there multiple > > lines? If the latter, have any work been done that would indicate a > > relationship to John prior to his move to Ohio? > > > > Bob Harter > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Bob, I have worked on the Peter Becker, alias Baker, who lived in and was possibly an owner of Liberty in Jefferson township, Montgomery county, Ohio. He hailed from Morrison's Cove, Bedford county, Pennsylvania, and before that Franklin county, Pennsylvania. And yes, he is part of the difficult to research Brethren Peter Becker family of Franklin county, Pennsylvania. I was finally able to deduce that a small estate on file in Bedford county, Pennsylvania, actually only a horse and a saddle, that alludes that a Peter Becker having died in Stark county, Ohio, was actually Peter Becker who died in Montgomery county in about 1818. His widow would then marry Solomon Sanford and move to Indiana if memory serves me correctly and become Christian Church. One of her sons by Peter would become a minister in that church. It might have been a grandson. Of course I cannot now locate all the research notes I compiled with the assistance of Gale Honeyman. I do recall that there were some surprises within Peter's estate that amazed even him. Some of this family moved to Indiana and one or two moved to the northern parts of Montgomery county and, I believe, into Miami county. I have Peter's estate images in my computer partly processed. It is an extremely large estate and very convoluted which is why the processing languishes. He was German Baptist. Cordially, A. Wayne Webb Historian: German Baptist Brethren Church Past Editor: Brethren Roots Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Books <http://books.brethrenarchives.com> Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Ministers <http://mincon.brethrenarchives.com/> & Congregations Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Almanacs, <http://books1.brethrenarchives.com/> Annuals & Yearbooks Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Offerings <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/> In other words: Chief Bottle Washer and Cook Message: 3 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:57:51 -0500 From: "Bob Harter" <rharter36@myfairpoint.net> Subject: [BRE] Becker family(s?) of Montgomery County, Ohio To: "Brethren List" <BRETHREN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <D7DE40B41F9E4EEFB9C3812E85776F63@RHarterPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Returning to the present, has anyone done work on the Montgomery County, Ohio, Beckers? Do they all trace back to John Becker or are there multiple lines? If the latter, have any work been done that would indicate a relationship to John prior to his move to Ohio? Bob Harter

When John died a "situation" arose in the family which I believe led Henry's uncle Samuel (and my great-great-great grandfather) to move to Darke County and change his name to Baker. Are you connected to the Popular Grove Bakers? My grandfather's second wife was one of them. The Depression led to a divorce! Bad story! Merle C Rummel

It has been a long time since I have queried the list on my Becker background, so once again I will do so. There are a number of Beckers in Montgomery County. The big question is whether they are all related. We do know that a John Becker and his son, John Jr., owned sawmills in Somerset County, PA. Their properties were sold in late 1813. In late 1815 they were operating a sawmill near Union in Randolph Twp., Montgomery Co., Ohio. There is a very intriguing biography of a Henry Becker in "Centennial Portrait and Biographical Record of the City of Dayton and of Montgomery County, Ohio," A.W. Bowen and Company, 1897. Wilson, Humphreys & Co. pp. 933-934. Typical of these old bio-sketches, it contains some factual errors, but it does claim Henry's father was John Jr. and his grandfather was John Becker. The latter's family was correctly named and the date of migration was correct, which should indicate correct placement in this family. When John died a "situation" arose in the family which I believe led Henry's uncle Samuel (and my great-great-great grandfather) to move to Darke County and change his name to Baker. To this point, with the exception of John Becker's wife's name, all bio-sketch information can be documented. Now begins the intriguing part. The bio-sketch states that Henry's great grandfather was also named John Becker. (Other evidence suggests that his name was Johann Henry Becker, so his given name would have been Henry, but this is a minor point.) The bio-sketch goes on to claim that he was born on the Atlantic in crossing. Now the BIG question ... when? I was given information that an ancient bible indicates that his father was brother of Peter Becker, and that this brother and wife came with Peter in 1719. Supposedly this came from an old Becker Bible which was seen only in a glass covered box which was in transit to a new owner. Of course, if there was a ship passenger list it has been long lost and there are so many Beckers in the old Pennsylvania German community that finding the correct line would be like searching for a favorite needle in, not a hay stack but a stack of needles. All I can say is that we do know that Peter had a brother who has been listed as Johannes. We also know that American genealogists have confused Johann with Johannes, assuming they are equivalent, not understanding they were used differently in the old German society. There is no evidence of another Becker in any of the early Church of the Brethren history. We do know that descendants of Samuel Baker/Becker were important to the Palestine Church in Darke County, and his Grandson, Joh. Henry Baker, was a well loved early pastor. The bio-sketch does, however, provide a hint that the family may have remained in the Lutheran fold. Returning to the present, has anyone done work on the Montgomery County, Ohio, Beckers? Do they all trace back to John Becker or are there multiple lines? If the latter, have any work been done that would indicate a relationship to John prior to his move to Ohio? Bob Harter

When using the blog address below I get a 404 error everytime. Then it locks up my computer. Maybe there is another way to get to this site. Marcia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Rhoads" <rrrhoads@aol.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] BRETHREN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 > > Had no problem getting to Wayne's blog by using all of the reference: > http://books.brethrenarchives.com/index.php/home/research-blog/89-research- > blog/4719-discussion-1 > > Rog Rhoads > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 08:58:46 -0500 > From: "Wayne Webb" <SpiWebb@AOL.Com> > Subject: [BRE] Happy New Year to my Brethren Friends > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Cc: 'Sandra Studebaker' <sastudebaker@att.net> > Message-ID: <1077A8E914994D9EA855CD9AED595A9B@Newi7> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Morning Fellow List Members, > > > > Well, another year has come and gone in Brethren historical circles. To > start the new year I am going to start a blog of just what it is > accomplished on a weekly basis in furthering the research into that same > Brethren history. > > > > My friend Dr. Ron Pancner in a private e-mail to me a short while ago > asked > am innocuous question. He asked, "What are your new tasks?", which were > somewhat mirrored in sentiment by Roberta J. Estes. To be honest I had > not > a clue on how to respond as daily I may work on updating the knowledge > base > of the various ministers and congregations of the church and the next day, > or at the same time, be working on a book about the deed indexes of > Montgomery county, Ohio. Call me a Genealogical Bee, pollinating all the > historical flowers I come across. I may not get the whole field > pollinated, > but I do my best to get as many as I can. This is often more than is > accomplished by a bevy of others. Much has been achieved in furthering > the > known history of the church. > > > > Amongst many, many things attained in the past year is that I have been > working diligently with Mr. David Roepke, the archivist for both the > Ashland > University Archives and the Brethren Church Archives. We have created a > working, though the contents await further development, web site > <http://ashland.brethrenarchives.com/> to better making their materials > available to the public. At the same time and as a transition of his > existing web site, I was able to move his domain <http://auarchives.com/> > to a new server company giving David better service and at a lower cost. > We > are doing this as funding becomes available, and more often as not without > any at all. > > > > For instance, the other day while working on the extended family of Elder > Daniel Miller (1755-1822) of the Miami Valley of Ohio, I came across a > descendant of his, William Hess (1860-1940) by name, of whom not much was > known when recorded in The Brethren Encyclopedia (@1983). After working > all > day on he and a selection of other ministers with the same last name, I > had > updated a lot of information. Often what happens is that while working on > Person A I will come across information on Person B and C, and others, at > the same time. A long story short, at the end of the day I had updated > nearly a dozen ministers and elders of the church. > > > > So. . ., I thought I would start a blog of my weekly Brethren research > exploits. The thought is that by starting a blog, and adding to it little > notes daily, which will be released either weekly or bi-weekly others may > find some interest in those tasks. While it will not likely go into any > great detail it may offer others avenues of research for other's research > projects. > > > > If you wish to view the inaugural article of Research > <http://books.brethrenarchives.com/index.php/home/research-blog/89-research- > blog/4719-discussion-1> Blog please feel free to do so. It is set up so > that you can leave comments if you would like to do so. > > > > Cordially, > > A. Wayne Webb > > Historian: German Baptist Brethren Church > > Past Editor: Brethren Roots > > Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Books > <http://books.brethrenarchives.com> > > Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Ministers > <http://mincon.brethrenarchives.com/> & Congregations > > Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Almanacs, > <http://books1.brethrenarchives.com/> Annuals & Yearbooks > > Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Offerings > <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/> > > In other words: Chief Bottle Washer and Cook > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you everybody.  I got more than the expected 4 responses on this, and did receive all the obits.  I have found one person to do lookups.  Thanks- guess i need to invest (it is up to my cousin though) in Genealogybank.com for obits.  Patrick On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 10:37 PM, Patrick McGarry <hawkwind275@yahoo.com> wrote: Happy New Years!  Does anybody have Genealogy Bank subscription?  Need this obit from 1994:  Weltha Bashore Lambert 26 Dec 1994 in Marietta, Cobb, Georgia, USA