Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:55:31 -0700 From: Melanie Rice <mjrice.denver@gmail.com> Subject: [BRE] German Baptist marriage record questions To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CADOsdMC7Bmu5H5V_y2kx6gFpjTbBW3wwvzza8rff4=UGGnwj5g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If a couple was married by a German Baptist minister in 1827, PrebleCounty, OH - *may I presume that one or both of their families were brethren?* During that time period, in relatively newly settled Ohio, would a German Baptist minister have married couples who were not part of their church? The specific marriage record is for a Caty Sharow to a Daniel Brucker, on May 17, 1827, Preble County, OH. Also, if other couples I am researching in the same vicinity and time period were NOT married by a minister of the gospel, *may I presume the couple was not religious?* Would there be legitimate reasons that church members would be married by a JOP? I am working on a difficult family line that seems to have ties in Miami, Montgomery and Preble counties, OH, from about 1810 - 1840+. Do I understand correctly that* the designation "German Baptist" is synonymous with Dunker Brethren in the early 1800s, Ohio?* Lastly, *would the German Baptist churches in the Miami Valley have spoken ONLY German at that time? Could the churches have been bilingual? What about the members?* The family I'm working on (Sherow, etc.), came from a Scot-Irish settlement in Augusta County, VA, and appears to have been assimilated. My research so far indicates they likely spoke English by the time they arrived in the Miami Valley, about 1810. Thank you! Melanie Rice Denver, Colo. ------------------------------------------- Melanie, Hey, your one of mine, cuzz (through Thomas Jefferson Rhodes)! My experience is that when a couple in those days were married by a J.P. it is evidence that the couple was of two different denominations. As for the spoken language, I think that German was spoken among most German descendants until as late as the 1870s based on German language tombstones in Montgomery Co. I know that the Evangelical Lutheran (aka German) churches had German language preaching until the 1930s. High schools in rural areas (e.g. Brookville) had German courses that ended with WW I when Germany started the war. When the citizens of Brookville demanded the school stop all German courses, the school officials refused. Whereupon the citizens stormed the school and burned the books. Roger Rhoads

I found this book online: "The History of Miami County, Ohio" - 1880 I have not read the entire book, but have scanned many of the biographical sketches and read some of the township histories. I was surprised to see the Quaker's mentioned, but very little mention of the Dunker Brethren. Would the terms Dunker or Dunkard Brethren and German Baptist be used interchangeably in this era? *http://books.google.com/books?id= <http://books.google.com/books?id=>fNcyAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false*

I knew what you meant. :) On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:14 AM, <RRRhoads@aol.com> wrote: > Woops! Make that Western townships. > > In a message dated 2/13/2014 8:02:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mjrice.denver@gmail.com writes: > > Cousin Roger! Good to hear from you! I hope you're doing well. I wish > this family left a trail like T. J. Rhodes did! > > "My experience is that when a couple in those days were married by a J.P. > it is > evidence that the couple was of two different denominations." > > I had not considered the different faiths angle. I also had no idea that > German was spoken for so long in some areas. Would a relatively > assimilated (into the melting pot) family have likely spoken both > languages? > > 1800 found the Sherow's living in a Scot-Irish area of Augusta County, > VA. There, they married into the Andrew and Weikle families, in the > Scot-Irish Presbyterian church. When they arrived in Miami Valley, OH, ca > 1810, they disbursed and didn't buy land immediately adjacent to the rest > of the family. The Andrew family landed in Montgomery County, and the > Sherow family in Miami County: Union & Concorde twps. Once there, most > subsequent marriages we find are by JOP, rather than ministers. > > I and a couple of other Sherow cousins are trying to dig further on this > line, and we are trying to establish the original nationality of "Sherow, > Sherrow, Sharow, Shero, Sharo, Shiro." We have never seen it spelled > Shearer, Sherrer, ect. - which I believe would be the more German variant. > > Once in the Miami Valley, the family married into the Young and Peck > families. A local history says Philip Young joined the Brethren late in > life. > > Thank you! > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:57 AM, <RRRhoads@aol.com> wrote: > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:55:31 -0700 >> From: Melanie Rice <mjrice.denver@gmail.com> >> Subject: [BRE] German Baptist marriage record questions >> To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <CADOsdMC7Bmu5H5V_y2kx6gFpjTbBW3wwvzza8rff4=UGGnwj5g@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> If a couple was married by a German Baptist minister in 1827, >> PrebleCounty, OH - *may >> I presume that one or both of their families were brethren?* >> >> During that time period, in relatively newly settled Ohio, would a German >> Baptist minister have married couples who were not part of their church? >> >> The specific marriage record is for a Caty Sharow to a Daniel Brucker, on >> May 17, 1827, Preble County, OH. >> >> Also, if other couples I am researching in the same vicinity and time >> period were NOT married by a minister of the gospel, *may I presume the >> couple was not religious?* Would there be legitimate reasons that church >> members would be married by a JOP? >> >> I am working on a difficult family line that seems to have ties in Miami, >> Montgomery and Preble counties, OH, from about 1810 - 1840+. >> >> Do I understand correctly that* the designation "German Baptist" is >> synonymous with Dunker Brethren in the early 1800s, Ohio?* >> >> Lastly, *would the German Baptist churches in the Miami Valley have >> spoken >> ONLY German at that time? Could the churches have been bilingual? What >> about the members?* The family I'm working on (Sherow, etc.), came from >> a >> Scot-Irish settlement in Augusta County, VA, and appears to have been >> assimilated. My research so far indicates they likely spoke English by >> the >> time they arrived in the Miami Valley, about 1810. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Melanie Rice >> Denver, Colo. >> ------------------------------------------- >> >> Melanie, >> Hey, your one of mine, cuzz (through Thomas Jefferson Rhodes)! My >> experience is that when a couple in those days were married by a J.P. it >> is >> evidence that the couple was of two different denominations. As for the >> spoken >> language, I think that German was spoken among most German descendants >> until >> as late as the 1870s based on German language tombstones in Montgomery >> Co. >> I know that the Evangelical Lutheran (aka German) churches had German >> language preaching until the 1930s. High schools in rural areas (e.g. >> Brookville) had German courses that ended with WW I when Germany started >> the war. >> When the citizens of Brookville demanded the school stop all German >> courses, the school officials refused. Whereupon the citizens stormed >> the school >> and burned the books. >> >> Roger Rhoads >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Thank you, Bill. If I understand correctly, it is possible that Brethren church members may have spoken both English and German, but the church may have used German in the early 1800s? WOULD a Brethren minister have married a couple who were not of that faith? For example, in more remote areas where there were not nearby churches - if a minister passed through the area, would he have been likely to marry couples wishing to marry, regardless of their faith? I'm trying to understand if a marriage by a Brethren minister is a strong indicator that the couple were both from Brethren families. Thanks! On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Bill Thomas <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> wrote: > There are exceptions to every rule, but a history of the Sandy Creek > Congregation in present day West Virginia that was written in an 1876 > issue > of the 'Primitive Christian' states that they spoke German in the Sandy > Creek church services until 1824. In the early days they also used a > German > Bible and sang German Hymns. In the 18th and early 19th Century, one could > be disowned for being married out side the German Baptist church. But > neither of these are absolutes. Speaking English is not a guarantee they > would preach in English. For example, the Amish in 2014 preach in German, > have a German Bible and sing in German, even though they all speak English. > > Bill Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: Melanie Rice > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:55 PM > To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BRE] German Baptist marriage record questions > > If a couple was married by a German Baptist minister in 1827, > PrebleCounty, OH - *may > I presume that one or both of their families were brethren?* > > During that time period, in relatively newly settled Ohio, would a German > Baptist minister have married couples who were not part of their church? > > The specific marriage record is for a Caty Sharow to a Daniel Brucker, on > May 17, 1827, Preble County, OH. > > Also, if other couples I am researching in the same vicinity and time > period were NOT married by a minister of the gospel, *may I presume the > couple was not religious?* Would there be legitimate reasons that church > members would be married by a JOP? > > I am working on a difficult family line that seems to have ties in Miami, > Montgomery and Preble counties, OH, from about 1810 - 1840+. > > Do I understand correctly that* the designation "German Baptist" is > synonymous with Dunker Brethren in the early 1800s, Ohio?* > > Lastly, *would the German Baptist churches in the Miami Valley have spoken > ONLY German at that time? Could the churches have been bilingual? What > about the members?* The family I'm working on (Sherow, etc.), came from a > Scot-Irish settlement in Augusta County, VA, and appears to have been > assimilated. My research so far indicates they likely spoke English by the > time they arrived in the Miami Valley, about 1810. > > Thank you! > > Melanie Rice > Denver, Colo. > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Cousin Roger! Good to hear from you! I hope you're doing well. I wish this family left a trail like T. J. Rhodes did! "My experience is that when a couple in those days were married by a J.P. it is evidence that the couple was of two different denominations." I had not considered the different faiths angle. I also had no idea that German was spoken for so long in some areas. Would a relatively assimilated (into the melting pot) family have likely spoken both languages? 1800 found the Sherow's living in a Scot-Irish area of Augusta County, VA. There, they married into the Andrew and Weikle families, in the Scot-Irish Presbyterian church. When they arrived in Miami Valley, OH, ca 1810, they disbursed and didn't buy land immediately adjacent to the rest of the family. The Andrew family landed in Montgomery County, and the Sherowfamily in Miami County: Union & Concorde twps. Once there, most subsequent marriages we find are by JOP, rather than ministers. I and a couple of other Sherow cousins are trying to dig further on this line, and we are trying to establish the original nationality of "Sherow, Sherrow, Sharow, Shero, Sharo, Shiro." We have never seen it spelled Shearer, Sherrer, ect. - which I believe would be the more German variant. Once in the Miami Valley, the family married into the Young and Peck families. A local history says Philip Young joined the Brethren late in life. Thank you! On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:57 AM, <RRRhoads@aol.com> wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:55:31 -0700 > From: Melanie Rice <mjrice.denver@gmail.com> > Subject: [BRE] German Baptist marriage record questions > To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CADOsdMC7Bmu5H5V_y2kx6gFpjTbBW3wwvzza8rff4=UGGnwj5g@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > If a couple was married by a German Baptist minister in 1827, > PrebleCounty, OH - *may > I presume that one or both of their families were brethren?* > > During that time period, in relatively newly settled Ohio, would a German > Baptist minister have married couples who were not part of their church? > > The specific marriage record is for a Caty Sharow to a Daniel Brucker, on > May 17, 1827, Preble County, OH. > > Also, if other couples I am researching in the same vicinity and time > period were NOT married by a minister of the gospel, *may I presume the > couple was not religious?* Would there be legitimate reasons that church > members would be married by a JOP? > > I am working on a difficult family line that seems to have ties in Miami, > Montgomery and Preble counties, OH, from about 1810 - 1840+. > > Do I understand correctly that* the designation "German Baptist" is > synonymous with Dunker Brethren in the early 1800s, Ohio?* > > Lastly, *would the German Baptist churches in the Miami Valley have spoken > ONLY German at that time? Could the churches have been bilingual? What > about the members?* The family I'm working on (Sherow, etc.), came from a > Scot-Irish settlement in Augusta County, VA, and appears to have been > assimilated. My research so far indicates they likely spoke English by > the > time they arrived in the Miami Valley, about 1810. > > Thank you! > > Melanie Rice > Denver, Colo. > ------------------------------------------- > > Melanie, > Hey, your one of mine, cuzz (through Thomas Jefferson Rhodes)! My > experience is that when a couple in those days were married by a J.P. it is > evidence that the couple was of two different denominations. As for the > spoken > language, I think that German was spoken among most German descendants > until > as late as the 1870s based on German language tombstones in Montgomery Co. > I know that the Evangelical Lutheran (aka German) churches had German > language preaching until the 1930s. High schools in rural areas (e.g. > Brookville) had German courses that ended with WW I when Germany started > the war. > When the citizens of Brookville demanded the school stop all German > courses, the school officials refused. Whereupon the citizens stormed the > school > and burned the books. > > Roger Rhoads > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That's a great reply! Thanks, Bill. Last December, I attended a service and a Christmas program at Sandy Creek. It's a very nice congregation and facility. My ancestors went there. Beverly Railey Robinson Sent from my iPad On Feb 12, 2014, at 10:04 PM, "Bill Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> wrote: > There are exceptions to every rule, but a history of the Sandy Creek > Congregation in present day West Virginia that was written in an 1876 issue > of the 'Primitive Christian' states that they spoke German in the Sandy > Creek church services until 1824. In the early days they also used a German > Bible and sang German Hymns. In the 18th and early 19th Century, one could > be disowned for being married out side the German Baptist church. But > neither of these are absolutes. Speaking English is not a guarantee they > would preach in English. For example, the Amish in 2014 preach in German, > have a German Bible and sing in German, even though they all speak English. > > Bill Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: Melanie Rice > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:55 PM > To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BRE] German Baptist marriage record questions > > If a couple was married by a German Baptist minister in 1827, > PrebleCounty, OH - *may > I presume that one or both of their families were brethren?* > > During that time period, in relatively newly settled Ohio, would a German > Baptist minister have married couples who were not part of their church? > > The specific marriage record is for a Caty Sharow to a Daniel Brucker, on > May 17, 1827, Preble County, OH. > > Also, if other couples I am researching in the same vicinity and time > period were NOT married by a minister of the gospel, *may I presume the > couple was not religious?* Would there be legitimate reasons that church > members would be married by a JOP? > > I am working on a difficult family line that seems to have ties in Miami, > Montgomery and Preble counties, OH, from about 1810 - 1840+. > > Do I understand correctly that* the designation "German Baptist" is > synonymous with Dunker Brethren in the early 1800s, Ohio?* > > Lastly, *would the German Baptist churches in the Miami Valley have spoken > ONLY German at that time? Could the churches have been bilingual? What > about the members?* The family I'm working on (Sherow, etc.), came from a > Scot-Irish settlement in Augusta County, VA, and appears to have been > assimilated. My research so far indicates they likely spoke English by the > time they arrived in the Miami Valley, about 1810. > > Thank you! > > Melanie Rice > Denver, Colo. > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are exceptions to every rule, but a history of the Sandy Creek Congregation in present day West Virginia that was written in an 1876 issue of the 'Primitive Christian' states that they spoke German in the Sandy Creek church services until 1824. In the early days they also used a German Bible and sang German Hymns. In the 18th and early 19th Century, one could be disowned for being married out side the German Baptist church. But neither of these are absolutes. Speaking English is not a guarantee they would preach in English. For example, the Amish in 2014 preach in German, have a German Bible and sing in German, even though they all speak English. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Rice Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:55 PM To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] German Baptist marriage record questions If a couple was married by a German Baptist minister in 1827, PrebleCounty, OH - *may I presume that one or both of their families were brethren?* During that time period, in relatively newly settled Ohio, would a German Baptist minister have married couples who were not part of their church? The specific marriage record is for a Caty Sharow to a Daniel Brucker, on May 17, 1827, Preble County, OH. Also, if other couples I am researching in the same vicinity and time period were NOT married by a minister of the gospel, *may I presume the couple was not religious?* Would there be legitimate reasons that church members would be married by a JOP? I am working on a difficult family line that seems to have ties in Miami, Montgomery and Preble counties, OH, from about 1810 - 1840+. Do I understand correctly that* the designation "German Baptist" is synonymous with Dunker Brethren in the early 1800s, Ohio?* Lastly, *would the German Baptist churches in the Miami Valley have spoken ONLY German at that time? Could the churches have been bilingual? What about the members?* The family I'm working on (Sherow, etc.), came from a Scot-Irish settlement in Augusta County, VA, and appears to have been assimilated. My research so far indicates they likely spoke English by the time they arrived in the Miami Valley, about 1810. Thank you! Melanie Rice Denver, Colo. ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If a couple was married by a German Baptist minister in 1827, PrebleCounty, OH - *may I presume that one or both of their families were brethren?* During that time period, in relatively newly settled Ohio, would a German Baptist minister have married couples who were not part of their church? The specific marriage record is for a Caty Sharow to a Daniel Brucker, on May 17, 1827, Preble County, OH. Also, if other couples I am researching in the same vicinity and time period were NOT married by a minister of the gospel, *may I presume the couple was not religious?* Would there be legitimate reasons that church members would be married by a JOP? I am working on a difficult family line that seems to have ties in Miami, Montgomery and Preble counties, OH, from about 1810 - 1840+. Do I understand correctly that* the designation "German Baptist" is synonymous with Dunker Brethren in the early 1800s, Ohio?* Lastly, *would the German Baptist churches in the Miami Valley have spoken ONLY German at that time? Could the churches have been bilingual? What about the members?* The family I'm working on (Sherow, etc.), came from a Scot-Irish settlement in Augusta County, VA, and appears to have been assimilated. My research so far indicates they likely spoke English by the time they arrived in the Miami Valley, about 1810. Thank you! Melanie Rice Denver, Colo.

Thank you for the replies. Very helpful. Sarah

Early, Mark D. (Brethren Church, Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches) died c1946; Los Angeles,CA, 2nd. (preacher 1914-?); Linestone, TN (preacher 1928). Brethren Encyclopedia, 1984, Vol. 3, p 1604 Findagrave: Rev. Mark D. Early 21 Jun 1871 Lima OH-19 Apr 1946 Lancaster CA s/o David Early & Sarah Miller Ada Lapp 25 Oct 1871-19 Apr 1964 Buried Lancaster Cemetery, Lancaster CA Three children are to be found in marriage records on Family Search, the LDS web site. Gale ---- Louann Holmes <sarah.holmes45@gmail.com> wrote: > I am looking for information regarding Mark D Early. I believe he was born 21 Jan 1872. I have been told he married Ada L Lapp, that he was a minister. Can you tell me where he served, confirm his marriage and date and where he died. Children? > > Thanks you for any assistance you can provide. > Sarah Holmes

I am looking for information regarding Mark D Early. I believe he was born 21 Jan 1872. I have been told he married Ada L Lapp, that he was a minister. Can you tell me where he served, confirm his marriage and date and where he died. Children? Thanks you for any assistance you can provide. Sarah Holmes

Please accept my apologies for not providing a link to the Discussion #3 blog page. In the rush of finalizing everything I inadvertently forgot to create the link. That happens when you are a one-man band. You can read the blog entry here <http://bit.ly/1evAlU2> . Again, please accept my apology for the error on my part. Cordially, A. Wayne Webb Historian: German Baptist Brethren Church Past Editor: Brethren Roots Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Books <http://books.brethrenarchives.com> Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Ministers <http://mincon.brethrenarchives.com/> & Congregations Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Almanacs, <http://books1.brethrenarchives.com/> Annuals & Yearbooks Site developer: German Baptist Brethren Offerings <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/> In other words: Chief Bottle Washer and Cook

Afternoon One and All, This particular blog entry is about an item not normally covered by the lists I am involved in. My interests lying primarily with the German Baptist Brethren and Montgomery county, Ohio, and this book being about Ohio history, it may or may not be of interest to others. However, the item of mention, "Ohio Archaeological & Historical Society Publications: Volume XX", 1911, covers so many topics involving the State of Ohio, I thought it prudent to post this notice to as many mailing lists as it might be of interest to. At the list moderator's discretion they can either pass this e-mail to their list members or not. Best I can offer to the list moderators is to follow the series of links in this blog entry and ascertain for themselves whether to pass it along or not. The book is one out of my collection which I have faithfully digitized, preparing it's contents for the Internet. The first linked page will explain the process, and the Volume XX green button / link near the bottom of the linked page will lead to the actual book. It is unfortunate that in this e-mail I cannot adequately give a full synopsis of the contents. Therefore below you will see a simplistic Table of Contents of the book. Each entry will denote counties which are mentioned in the book. There is also a substantial number of articles of interest for those keen on Native American history. Prehistoric Earthworks in Wisconsin (Native American) The Place of the Ohio Valley in America A Vanishing Race (Native American) Some Local History (Sandusky Co.) Delaware in the Days of 1812 (Delaware Co.) Tarhe - The Crane (Native American) General Harmar's Expedition (Native American) Site of Fort Gower (Athens Co.) Logan - The Mingo Chief, 1710-1780 (Native American) The Kendal Community (Stark Co.) Birthplace of Little Turtle (Native American) Recollections of Newark (Licking Co.) Fort Ancient (Warren Co.) Pipe's Cliff (Richland Co.) The Cincinnati Municipal Election of 1828 (Hamilton Co.) Oberlin's Part in the Slavery Conflict (Lorain Co.) 26th Annual Meeting of Ohio Arch. & Hist. Soc. (mentions in detail establishment of Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Center) To Cincinnati (Hamilton Co.) Celebration of the Surrender of General John H. Morgan (Columbiana Co.) The Battle of Lake Erie in Ballad and History (Ottawa Co.) Brady's Leap (Portage Co.) There are other articles covering unusual topics, such as travel on the Ohio River, poetry, Ohio memorabilia by noted Ohio personages, etc., too difficult to describe. There is a lot of history covered in this one single volume. Who knows?, I may not even have the correct Rootsweb list e-mail addresses, not wanting to subscribe to so many mailing lists to get the proper addresses. So, without further ado click here if you wish to view "Ohio Archaeological & Historical Society Publications: Volume XX". The link will take you to the blog entry which will then lead you to an article about the digital archiving of the volume about Ohio, and then to the actual book itself. Cordially, A. Wayne Webb Historian: German Baptist Brethren Church Past Editor: Brethren Roots Site developer: <http://books.brethrenarchives.com> German Baptist Brethren Books Site developer: <http://mincon.brethrenarchives.com/> German Baptist Brethren Ministers & Congregations Site developer: <http://books1.brethrenarchives.com/> German Baptist Brethren Almanacs, Annuals & Yearbooks Site developer: <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/> German Baptist Brethren Offerings In other words: Chief Bottle Washer and Cook

Thank you, Gale. This is very helpful, but raises some additional questions for me. First, regarding the records available in Miami Co., OH, do you believe the Miami Valley Genealogical Index available online contains all the records still extant, or could there be omissions? I ask this because I have not found any probate or apprenticeship records, nor the records of HOW Elizabeth Shero(w) came to own land in Miami County, OH. Then, regarding land records, do you know if copies of township plat maps are available showing land ownership during this time period? If not, what would be the next best option to see where the Sherow's were, in relation to others living in the area at this time? I've inserted other questions in your text below: Philip Young & Elizabeth Royer were wed 2 Feb 1812 in Montgomery County OH by Dunker Elder David Ulrich of the Wolf Creek church. Book A-1, p. 34. Susanna Young and John Shero were wed 26 Jul 1831 in Montgomery County OH by John Waitman, a Justice of the Peace for Clay Township. Book B-1, p. 55. Montgomery County Ohio Records Center & Archives, 117 So. Main St, 6th floor, Dayton OH 45422. Regarding Philip Young and Elizabeth Royer, do your records show them being members of a Dunker congregation? Would their marriage by a Dunker elder indicate membership, or could anyone be married by an elder? Then, regarding John Shero(w) and Susanna Young, do you believe they were Dunker Brethren? They did move to Fulton County, IN in the 1840s and I have not found any evidence that they were affiliated with Dunker's (or any other church). If folks were part of a church in Miami County, OH, would it be unusual for them to be married by a justice of the peace? Is this indicative of them not being part of a congregation? Elizabeth Shero to John Shero, NE quarter section 35, town 7, range 4 [Union Township], 160 acres on 20 Jun 1833. Book 13, p.537 John & Susannah Sherow sold same to David Kinsey, 20 Mar 1841. Book 28, p. 166. This tract along the north faces Frederick-Garland Road, a half mile east of Ohio State Route 721 & a half mile west of Shiloh Road. Elizabeth Sherro to John Sherro, section 35, town 7, range 5 [Concord Township], 10 Feb 1841. Book 19, p. 50. No recorded deed prior to 1863 selling this tract. The section is bound on the west by Forest Hill, north by Fenner and south by Horseshoe Bend Roads. No deeds recorded for Elizabeth acquiring these tracts. Miami County Recorder Office, 201 W. Main St, Troy OH 45373. How unusual is it for there to be no record of how Elizabeth came to own land in Miami County, OH? I did check BLM records and found John Peck as grantee for 35-007N-004E in Concorde Twp. E 1/2, NW 1/4. I am exploring a possible connection between the Peck family, and the Sherow's. After John Sherow's death in Fulton County, IN, Susannah remarried to a William Peck. RE: Elizabeth Sherow - I believe she is likely the daughter of Philip & Catherine Weikle (Weigle, Weckle etc.) of Augusta County, VA. Augusta County VA shows a marriage record for John Sherror to Elizabeth Weckle in 1805, by Presbyterian minister, Benjamin Irvin. Another marriage record in Augusta Co, VA shows Samuel Andrew m. Margaret Weigle. This Margaret is believed to be a daughter of Philip and Catherine Weikle of Augusta Co., VA. Other children of Philip & Catherine's children include: George (m. Catharine Harmon), Frederick (m. Mary Rape @ Preble Co, OH), and Mary, (m. Henry Harmon). Samuel Andrew and Margaret Weikle Andrew show up in Montgomery County, OH census records in 1820 - Jackson Twp., 1830 - Clay Twp., and 1850 - Clay Twp. In the 1850 census, Elizabeth SherNow is enumerated in the Samuel Andrew household, Clay Twp, Montgomery Co, OH. This supports Elizabeth and Margaret being sisters. Other researchers believe the Weickle's, Andrew's and Sherow's came from VA to OH about 1810. RE: Elizabeth (Weikle) Sherow, I believe her husband, John (sr), had died before 1830, when she is enumerated in a household alone, in Miami County, Union Twp. I have not found a listing for the John / Elizabeth Sherowhousehold in 1820 that I am confident is for this family. I also find no 1840 listing. How unusual would it be for her to own land, as a widow? It seems unusual to me that she would have remained unmarried. What are possible explanations for how she came to own this land? Is it unusual for this group of people to have migrated and then not lived in very close proximity to each other once they got to OH? I know there was also a Shearer family living in Miami County, Union Twp. during the same time frame the Sherows were there. I think a connection is unlikely because the Sherow name continued to be spelled with an "OW" sound at the end. The families also used distinctively different names for their children. If John Sherow (sr) died while his son John was young, would young John have been apprenticed somewhere? In Miami county, was this done by the courts, or by family arrangement? I do not find a census listing for John as a head of household in 1830, and he did not marry until 1831. Yet, Elizabeth (his mother) is living alone in Union Twp. Widower Philip Young age 60 born in PA, single daughter Mary 33 born in OH and his sister Mary Wisner 50 born in VA, widow of Jacob were enumerated together in Union Township in 1850, but owned no land. Judging from his neighbors, he lived very close to the Shero tract. This would place him in the Georgetown Dunker congregation, which was then a preaching point of Elder Philip Younce of the Brush Creek church. In the 1900, A Biographical History of Darke County, OH, pp 494-499 is a biographical sketch of Phillip & Elizabeth (Royer) Young's great grandson, Calvin M. Young which gives very detailed information on the family, including naming Susan wife of John Sherow. Some of Philip's children relocated in the early 1840's to Fulton County IN, where he died about 1866. I would be very interested in birth and death dates for John & Susannah. John Sherow was born 1809-1810. He died in Fulton County, IN July 24, 1853. I have found no probate record. He is buried in Reichter Cemetery, Fulton County, IN. I have personally visited this cemetery. John and Susannah Sherow had 13-14 children. I have information on some of them. Sadly, there was a very high incidence of divorce in their children's marriages. Please let me know if you are interested in these marriages and I can dig out some of those records. After John Sherow's death, Susannah Young Sherow remarried William Peck. She died in 1876 and is buried in Reichter Cemetery, with John. Her grave marker reads Susanna Sherow, not Peck. I believe Susannah was born about 1812, but don't have primary documentation for the date. I also don't have the marriage record for Susanna and William Peck. I live in Miami County OH. Our court house houses nearly all of the county records which are easily accessable. Joe Bosserman's Miami Valley Genealogical Index does list all of the probate records, both wills and intestates. If a name is not found there, that means no papers were ever filed in the county for the deceased. These are kept in Probate Court with the same address as the Recorder's Office. Thank you for the wonderful information! I wish I didn't live so far from OH! Melanie On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:00 PM, <ghoneyman@woh.rr.com> wrote: > Melanie, > > Philip Young & Elizabeth Royer were wed 2 Feb 1812 in Montgomery County OH > by Dunker Elder David Ulrich of the Wolf Creek church. Book A-1, p. 34. > Susanna Young and John Shero were wed 26 Jul 1831 in Montgomery County OH > by John Waitman, a Justice of the Peace for Clay Township. Book B-1, p. 55. > Montgomery County Ohio Records Center & Archives, 117 So. Main St, 6th > floor, Dayton OH 45422. > > Elizabeth Shero to John Shero, NE quarter section 35, town 7, range 4 > [Union Township], 160 acres on 20 Jun 1833. Book 13, p.537 > John & Susannah Sherow sold same to David Kinsey, 20 Mar 1841. Book 28, p. > 166. This tract along the north faces Frederick-Garland Road, a half mile > east of Ohio State Route 721 & a half mile west of Shiloh Road. > Elizabeth Sherro to John Sherro, section 35, town 7, range 5 [Concord > Township], 10 Feb 1841. Book 19, p. 50. No recorded deed prior to 1863 > selling this tract. The section is bound on the west by Forest Hill, north > by Fenner and south by Horseshoe Bend Roads. > No deeds recorded for Elizabeth acquiring these tracts. Miami County > Recorder Office, 201 W. Main St, Troy OH 45373. > > Widower Philip Young age 60 born in PA, single daughter Mary 33 born in OH > and his sister Mary Wisner 50 born in VA, widow of Jacob were enumerated > together in Union Township in 1850, but owned no land. Judging from his > neighbors, he lived very close to the Shero tract. This would place him in > the Georgetown Dunker congregation, which was then a preaching point of > Elder Philip Younce of the Brush Creek church. > > In the 1900, A Biographical History of Darke County, OH, pp 494-499 is a > biographical sketch of Phillip & Elizabeth (Royer) Young's great grandson, > Calvin M. Young which gives very detailed information on the family, > including naming Susan wife of John Sherow. > > Some of Philip's children relocated in the early 1840's to Fulton County > IN, where he died about 1866. I would be very interested in birth and death > dates for John & Susannah. > > I live in Miami County OH. Our court house houses nearly all of the county > records which are easily accessable. Joe Bosserman's Miami Valley > Genealogical Index does list all of the probate records, both wills and > intestates. If a name is not found there, that means no papers were ever > filed in the county for the deceased. These are kept in Probate Court with > the same address as the Recorder's Office. > > Gale >

Melanie, Philip Young & Elizabeth Royer were wed 2 Feb 1812 in Montgomery County OH by Dunker Elder David Ulrich of the Wolf Creek church. Book A-1, p. 34. Susanna Young and John Shero were wed 26 Jul 1831 in Montgomery County OH by John Waitman, a Justice of the Peace for Clay Township. Book B-1, p. 55. Montgomery County Ohio Records Center & Archives, 117 So. Main St, 6th floor, Dayton OH 45422. Elizabeth Shero to John Shero, NE quarter section 35, town 7, range 4 [Union Township], 160 acres on 20 Jun 1833. Book 13, p.537 John & Susannah Sherow sold same to David Kinsey, 20 Mar 1841. Book 28, p. 166. This tract along the north faces Frederick-Garland Road, a half mile east of Ohio State Route 721 & a half mile west of Shiloh Road. Elizabeth Sherro to John Sherro, section 35, town 7, range 5 [Concord Township], 10 Feb 1841. Book 19, p. 50. No recorded deed prior to 1863 selling this tract. The section is bound on the west by Forest Hill, north by Fenner and south by Horseshoe Bend Roads. No deeds recorded for Elizabeth acquiring these tracts. Miami County Recorder Office, 201 W. Main St, Troy OH 45373. Widower Philip Young age 60 born in PA, single daughter Mary 33 born in OH and his sister Mary Wisner 50 born in VA, widow of Jacob were enumerated together in Union Township in 1850, but owned no land. Judging from his neighbors, he lived very close to the Shero tract. This would place him in the Georgetown Dunker congregation, which was then a preaching point of Elder Philip Younce of the Brush Creek church. In the 1900, A Biographical History of Darke County, OH, pp 494-499 is a biographical sketch of Phillip & Elizabeth (Royer) Young’s great grandson, Calvin M. Young which gives very detailed information on the family, including naming Susan wife of John Sherow. Some of Philip’s children relocated in the early 1840’s to Fulton County IN, where he died about 1866. I would be very interested in birth and death dates for John & Susannah. I live in Miami County OH. Our court house houses nearly all of the county records which are easily accessable. Joe Bosserman's Miami Valley Genealogical Index does list all of the probate records, both wills and intestates. If a name is not found there, that means no papers were ever filed in the county for the deceased. These are kept in Probate Court with the same address as the Recorder's Office. Gale

I'm not in Miami County; however, your query brought to mind the county has some very strict rules in regard to allowing access to some public records. The late Joe Bosserman once explained this to me. It might be possible to write to the Recorder of Deeds and get the relevant deeds sent to you, provided you can give the office enough information. If no probate is listed, there may have been none. In German families the property was often deeded to the youngest son in exchange for the surviving parent(s) having a lifetime home. If this happened you won't find a probate but will learn the name of the youngest son. Wright State University is a regional archive for many Miami Co records. See their website. Sharon Mills ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Rice" <mjrice.denver@gmail.com> To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 5:54:00 PM Subject: [BRE] Where to find Miami County OH land transactions I am still looking for information on the John and Susanah Shero(w) family who were in Miami Co, Union Twp, (OH) circa 1810 - 1840. Some records indicate a connection to the German Brethren congregations in the area, especially for Susanah's father, Philip Young, who is said to have joined the Brethren late in life. I have not been able to prove or disprove John & Susanah's Brethren affiliation. I believe this John Shero(w) is the son of John Sherror and Eilzabeth Weickle (Weigle etc.), who migrated from Augusta Co, VA to Miami Co, OH circa 1805. The Miami Co, OH court records index shows land transactions that the Shero's were involved in for the years 1833 and 1841. These transactions involved section 35-07-04 and 35-07-05. I would like to order these records, but can't find out who to contact to get them. I would also like to order probate records for John (sr.), who appears to have died by 1830, but there is no record with his name in the recorder's index online. Are any of you in Miami Co, OH aware of another way I could find his probate record, if there is one? Thank you! ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Most records like this require a trip to the county courthouse or the viewing the microfilm records at the state archives. Very few land records are digitized, since the paper versions take up a whole room at your typical county courthouse. You also have to do your own research at a courthouse. The indexing system they used for the grantor and grantee indices is strange at best, and not easy to comprehend if you don't understand the logic of it. Your typical recorder of deed's office is also quite crowded with paralegals tracing deeds back for property transactions. You even have to make your own copies at most offices, since there is only a couple employees, and lots of traffic. I would start with the Ohio State Archives website at: www.ohiohistory.org If they have the old records on microfilm for your county, (even copies of the grantor and grantee index is helpful) they may be able to send you something, but it is neither free nor quick. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Rice Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 5:54 PM To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Where to find Miami County OH land transactions I am still looking for information on the John and Susanah Shero(w) family who were in Miami Co, Union Twp, (OH) circa 1810 - 1840. Some records indicate a connection to the German Brethren congregations in the area, especially for Susanah's father, Philip Young, who is said to have joined the Brethren late in life. I have not been able to prove or disprove John & Susanah's Brethren affiliation. I believe this John Shero(w) is the son of John Sherror and Eilzabeth Weickle (Weigle etc.), who migrated from Augusta Co, VA to Miami Co, OH circa 1805. The Miami Co, OH court records index shows land transactions that the Shero's were involved in for the years 1833 and 1841. These transactions involved section 35-07-04 and 35-07-05. I would like to order these records, but can't find out who to contact to get them. I would also like to order probate records for John (sr.), who appears to have died by 1830, but there is no record with his name in the recorder's index online. Are any of you in Miami Co, OH aware of another way I could find his probate record, if there is one? Thank you! ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am still looking for information on the John and Susanah Shero(w) family who were in Miami Co, Union Twp, (OH) circa 1810 - 1840. Some records indicate a connection to the German Brethren congregations in the area, especially for Susanah's father, Philip Young, who is said to have joined the Brethren late in life. I have not been able to prove or disprove John & Susanah's Brethren affiliation. I believe this John Shero(w) is the son of John Sherror and Eilzabeth Weickle (Weigle etc.), who migrated from Augusta Co, VA to Miami Co, OH circa 1805. The Miami Co, OH court records index shows land transactions that the Shero's were involved in for the years 1833 and 1841. These transactions involved section 35-07-04 and 35-07-05. I would like to order these records, but can't find out who to contact to get them. I would also like to order probate records for John (sr.), who appears to have died by 1830, but there is no record with his name in the recorder's index online. Are any of you in Miami Co, OH aware of another way I could find his probate record, if there is one? Thank you!

Yes - my internet provider dropped access to this part of Indiana - then I had opportunity to go "broadband" Microwave Internet access - and had to change my address anyway - I'm getting ready to move in to one of my daughter's houses, in Richmond IN, and may have to change again! I've put this research together as an "e-book" - The Frontier Brethren. What I did was take 75 families that were known Brethren in the Carolinas and Western Pennsylvania, and follow them for a couple generations. when their children or grandchildren were still Brethren in Illinois, Missouri and Iowa - I considered them to be Brethren in Kentucky. (so a lot of the "book" is genealogy of those 75 families - the Welty's were one - and below - a William Welty married an Elizabeth Chapman - at Drakes Creek. I have located some 22 Kentucky Settlements (with several "churches" at each) where the various members of these families located. None of them are now Brethren. I was very interested in what happened to these "Brethren Families" - after they were "no longer Brethren". The book includes several churches in Southern Indiana (one where my dad preached -and I've visited the others) and two churches in far southern Ohio - both of whom I have lived. OK - my younger son lives at Nashville Tn - going down I-65, I have stopped at Gold City (site of the Lick Creek Primitive Baptist Church - originally one of the Drakes Creek churches) and even found a record of its early members (at the Archives in Franklin KY. Enclosed below are a couple selections that I have written up on them. I did not find much on the Chapman families. (I've blackened them - below.) I have a picture of the Lick Creek Church site on a PowerPoint Presentation at www.cob-net.org/docs/brethrenlife.htm. "Kentucky Frontier Brethren". I gave this at the Pittsburg Annual Conference - several years ago (speaker - Brethren Genealogy Society) We do not have information on the Kentucky Churches - except as I and a couple others have done research. As near as I can determine, there was a conflict between these "Frontier Brethren" and the denomination leaders (I call them the "Annual Meeting Elders") - back about 1820. There was the Cane Ridge Revival in 1809 (at Paris KY, near Lexington), which became involved with the Frontier Brethren. In 1816-17 was the New Madrid (Missouri) earthquake - most severe we have ever had in the continental US - 8.9 on the Richter Scale (rang church bells in Boston MASS and Los Angeles CA). The first two months had repeated aftershocks - rated at 8.0 and higher, with 2 years of lesser aftershocks - about 7.0. At New Madris, the Mississippi River "ran upstream" for 2 hours (the River is a mile and a half across there - you can just see the far shore). One comment made repeatedly was: "The Lord is Coming - and I'm not Ready!" The Disciples of Christ and Church of Christ were direct outgrowths of these events. The Annual Meeting Elders refused to accept the effects on these "Frontier Brethren" and "kicked them out" (Coming out the new National Road [US40] in 1827 and following - "What do we do with these 'Strange Brethren'?" - "Avoid Them!" (the Ban). Many Brethren went Disciples of Christ/Church of Christ. Many went Primitive Baptist. Some stayed with their origin as Pietists -and went Methodist. One Pietist belief - common at Drakes Creek - was "Eternal Restoration" (that God so loved his created people, that he would not leave them in Hell, forever) - this moved into Univeralism - and was first rejected in the Caroiinas (1790s), which we then find among the Hendricks family at Drakes Creek - who carried it with them to southern Illinois and Cape Girardeau MO. (Although there were some in many or most of the churches of that time - including clear up here to the Four Mile Church - south of Boston IN - where I am preaching.) Two of Daniel Boone's brothers (Squire Jr and George) were Brethren preachers. The Hinkston Creek Church (East Union KY) was probably the biggest - 200 members before 1800 (my own ancestor came through there). There were several settlements along the main migration roads (see Migration Roads at cob-net - a series of papers and another Power Point Presentation) - and coming down the Ohio River. That's a quick summary of what I have found - I would be glad to see what you have on your family - I do have a John Chapman and a Thomas Chapman at Drakes Creek - but that is all I could find at the time. Merle C Rummel ************ A nice man at the Brethren Website gave me your contact information. I'm forwarding to you my original query regarding the Brethren turned Baptist church in pioneer Kentucky. My husband's ancestors were part of the congregation and I'm trying to find out more about them. Any leads would be much appreciated. (I also discovered that my relatives on my Father's side belonged to a brethren church in Southern Illinois (Saline or Hardin County). This might be a topic for another time.) Thanks! Crystal Cunningham Chapman ------- Original Message ------- I'm doing some genealogy research and came across an Ancestry.com Roots Web thread from May 2005 by Merle C. Rummel. The corresponding email address for Mr. Rummel is no longer good. *********** p40f Drakes Creek, Warren Co (primarily now Simpson Co) On the Cumberland Trace, south on Drakes Creek, was the Drakes Creek Church, residence of Elder John Hendricks, after he left the Forks of the Yadkin in North Carolina. Other ministers here were Gaspar Roland and his son Joseph, and William Lowe. Names we have identified as possible Brethren at Drakes Creek include: John Barnhart, Thomas Chapman, Matthew and William Hamm, John and Thomas Hendricks, the Hunsaker Families, Jacob Keithly, William Lowe, George Martin, Jasper and Joseph Roland, Elias and James Smith, Abraham Welty, Lawrence and Rudolph Yountz: Thomas Hendrix, Sr. made his home here, as well as his son Thomas Hendrix, Jr before moving to Nashville TN. Thomas Hendricks III moved to Madison Co IN. John Barnhart from Virginia and John and Thomas Chapman helped to make up the membership of the church. Another early pioneer was John Bower, Sr. There are also the possible families of: Holcomb, Sears, Shults, Stagner, Teal and Thompson. The Lick Creek Primitive Baptist Church, at Gold City, seems to have been a successor of this church. An early membership list includes several of the Brethren family names. Identified Drakes Creek Church families John Dick/Mary Danner [DK-11] - to Sangamon Co IL Peter Dick/Christina Shutt [DK-14] - to Cass Co IL Conrad Dick/Charlotte Harrald [DK-15] George Harmon/Catherine Sears [SR-17] - to Sangamon Co IL John Hendricks/Frena Welty [HK-1] Charles Loyd/Catherine Hendricks [HK-11] James Hendricks/Catherine Carlock [HK-12] - to Cape Girardeau Co MO Daniel Welty/Mary Hendricks [HK-13] - to Cape Girardeau Co MO Jesse Langston/Christiana Hendricks [HK-14] John C Hendricks/Mary [HK-15] - to Cape Cirardeau Co MO/Adams Co IL Rachel Hendricks [HK-16] Isaac Miller/Elizabeth Hendricks [HK-17] - to Cape Girardeau Co MO William Hendricks/Elizabeth Shell [HK-18] - to Sangamon Co IL Abraham Hendricks/Jane Cox [HK-19] - to Daviess Co MO Henry Hendricks/Hester Lee [HK-1A] - to Liberty IL Daniel Hendricks/Mary S Crouse [HK-1B] John Hendricks [HK-212] Daniel Hendricks [HK-216] Daniel Hendricks/Mary Roland [HK-23] - Carthage MO John L Hendricks [HK-231] James Hendricks/Mary Freeland [HK-232] Benjamin Coon/Mary Hendricks [HK-233] Henry R Shelton/Elizabeth Hendricks [HK-234] Joel Banks/Rachel Hendricks [HK-235] Cannon Brown/Catherine Hendricks [HK-236] Daniel Hendricks [HK-237] Thomas Hendricks II/Catherine Darnell - to Davidson Co TN Jacob Keithley/Barbara Roland [KL-1] Isaac Hostetter/Mary Keithley [KL-11] - to St Charles Co MO Jacob Keithley [KL-12] - to Pike Co MO Daniel Roland/Elizabeth Keithley [KL-13] - to St Charles Co MO Joseph Keithley/Elizabeth Burkett/Pauline Beashears [KL-15] - to Pike Co MO Abraham Keithley/Tennie Roland [KL-16] - to St Charles Co MO Samuel Keithley/Mary Burket/Nancy Sanders/ Mary (Gilbert) Stone [KL-17] - to St Charles Co Mo Roland Keithley/Amu Camplen/ Harriet Shohony [KL-18] - to Pike Co MO Alfred Dithmeyer/Patsey Keithley [KL-19] - to IL William Keithley/Charlotta Castlio/Ann M (Lloyd) Duncan [KL-1A] - to Texas Levi Keithley/Fannie White/Helen Bell [KL-1B] - to Bell Co Peter Graves/Catherine Keithley [KL-1C] - to Davidson Co TN Daniel Keithley/Miss Owens/Emma F Wilmot [KL-1D] - to St Charles Co MO Absolom Keithley/Cenia Castilo [KL-1E] - to Gilmore MO Obadiah Keithley/Hermacinthia Scott/Elizabeth (Stone) Howell [KL-1F] - to Texas Joel H Roper/Sarah Keithley [KL-1G] - to St Charles Co MO Isaac Keithley/Elizabeth Northcutt [KL-1H] William Lowe/Nancy Owens [LW-1] - minister Andrew Reed/Sarah Lowe [LW-11] Nathaniel Beckham/Elizabeth Lowe [LW-12] John Reed/Edey Lowe [LW-13] Isaac W Lowe/Mary B Boydstun/Harriet A Lother [LW-14] - to Dallas Co TX John Beckham/Martha J Lowe [LW-15] Prior P Lowe/Nancy Greathouse [LW-16] Tilford Lowe/Mary Gipson [LW-17] William Lowe/Permelia Greer [LW-18] Nancy P Lowe [LW-19] Azel Simpson/Juliana Lowe [LW-1A] Hobson H Lowe/Nancy H Mannen [LW-1B] John H Lowe/Artillissa Mitchell [LW-1C] Gaspar Roland/Mary Meyer Hunsaker [RL-1] Joseph Roland/Catherine Dobbins [RL-19] - to Sangamon Co IL John Roland/Esther Pepple [RL-11] Gaspar Roland/Elizabeth Keithley [RL-18] Joseph Roland/Catherine Dobbins [RL-19] - to Lincoln Co MO Peter Welty/Elizabeth [WL-12] Daniel Welty/Mary Hendricks [WL-121] - to Cape Girardeau Co MO Meshach Finn/Elizabeth Welty [WL-122] Abraham Welty/Sarah Hendricks [WL-123] - to Cape Girardeau Co MO William Welty/Elizabeth Chapman [WL-127]************* Jacob Welty/Rachel- to Cape Girardeau Co MO [WL-13] David Welty/Mary Brown - to Highland Co OH [WL-14] Abraham Welty/Mary Roland [WL-16] - to Lincoln Co MO __________________ p286 WL-127 William WELTY................................m...................................... ............Elizabeth CHAPMAN b..........1806............................................................. ..............................b...........1820 d. ........1884 Simpson Co KY..............................................................d........... .1892 Simpson Co KY f. Peter Welty m. Elizabeth ch: ....Martha........(1845-1909) ....Helen..........(1847-1883) ....Mary F.........(1849-1905) ....Sophronia..(1857-1941) m.........................Wakefield......Simpson Co Ky ....Susan.........(1857-1859) ....William H...(1859-1893) m.................Mary J Finn............Simpson Co KY _________________ p370 The Cumberland Trace (sometimes called the "Hunter's Trace") A third branch of the Wilderness road, the Cumberland Trace, was blazed through the Green River Country going to Fort Nashboro (Nashville TN) on the Cumberland River. The Trace branched westward off the Logan's Path of the Wilderness Road at Benjamin Logan's Fort, Stanford, in Lincoln County KY. A few miles west along the Trace was the McCormick's Christian Church. Traditions of this church could mean that it was originally a Brethren church. Continuing west from Fort Logan, the Cumberland Trace followed a path that is now often farm fields or back roads. It reached the village of Hustonville. Main Street in Hustonville is named the Cumberland Trace (KY78). From here, the original Cumberland Trace veered slightly off to the southwest to Nealy's Gap and down Russell's branch to Ellisburg. (Ky78) The Trail crossed the south fork of the Rolling Fork River and Sinking Creek to near Campbellsville, then crossed the ridge to Trace Creek and followed it on KY88 to a ford crossing the Green River about three miles west of Greensburg. A settlement of Brethren is found here, calling this "Green River Country". Continuing on KY88, the Trace crossed the Little Barren River at Elk Lick Ford, then continued westward to near Cave City and Mammoth Cave. From here it seems to have been followed closely by US31W to McFadin's Station, crossing the Barren River at Ewing's Ford near the mouth of Drake's Creek (approximately where I-65 crosses the Barren River, 4 miles E. of Bowling Green). The Cumberland Trace continued south following along Drakes Creek to the Tennessee State Line. Later Baptist churches on Lick Creek and Trammel's Fork, were descended from the Drakes Creek Brethren Church. Continuing south in Tennessee in the Red River Valley, along approximately US31W, the Cumberland Trace came to Mansker's Station at Goodlettsville. Here the Trace was met by a later road from Eastern Tennessee (from Kingston or the Holston River, variously called the Avery Trace or Emery Road), this road was poorly built, and for years was not open to wagon traffic. The twelve mile road from Mansker's Fort to Fort Nashboro (Nashville), on the Cumberland River, followed buffalo trails near the present day Dickerson Road. The Fort was on the south side of the River. A Brethren settlement was farther south and west in Dickerson County.

Thank you for trying to track these papers down. They sound as if they would be very meaningful. Beverly Railey Robinson Hazelton WV bez4@aol.com Sent from my iPad On Jan 21, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Christopher Eads <cseads@gmail.com> wrote: > Good morning > > I am on the hunt for some papers in a private collection referenced in Ray > Neff's *Valley of the Shadow*. He refers to them as the Caroline (Harper) > Long Papers and says that they include oral histories from Brethren done in > the 1880s. At the time of his writing, they belonged to a Mildred Bailey. > > Does anyone reading this have ANY idea where these might be? I wrote Mr > Neff about them, but he was too ill to reply. He subsequently died, > perhaps taking the secret of these papers to his grave. > > Also, Neff refers to an article on Kline published in the Baltimore Sun in > 1922 by a Beth Rhoades, grand-daughter to Caroline Long. I have checked > the index to the Sun and the Sunday Sun and have had no luck finding this. > Does any have any insights that might be helpful for locating this, too. > > Any leads that anyone may have would be appreciated. > > © Christopher > > Christopher Eads > 1140 Lincolnshire Dr > Harrisonburg VA 22802 > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message