If that link works, click on See ancestor record. It will have more info, including wives. Beverly Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2014, at 3:37 PM, "Andrea Colley" <raggs@cox.net> wrote: > My immigrant ancestor Johan Adam Weiss (Adam Wise) of Pipe Creek, MD and > Washington County PA did not fight in the Revolutionary War but I have > "heard" that he did supply the armies and as a result was given land in > Washington County. Is there any way to verify this? > > Thanks, > > Andrea Wise Kidd Colley > > -----Original Message----- > From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of TINHOW@comcast.net > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:41 PM > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BRE] Hessian Soldiers - Additional Information > > > Hello: > > I am descended from a Hessian soldier (Christian Strohl) - The below might > be of assistance. As a prisoner of war Christian was held in Va, Md and PA. > My understanding is that at the end of the Revolutionary War, the Hessians > had the option of being deported or being an indentured servant. Many took > the indentured route - a great opportunity for a new life. > > He was Lutheran. However, where he lived in Page Country, Shenandoah Valley, > Virginia is surrounded by Church of the Brethren Churches. I know that my > great-grandparents were Church of the Brethren and when they went by wagon > train from Virginia to Kansas for cheap land in the 1870's, they continued > to be Brethren. > > Christian Strohl is buried on his farm on Grove Hill along with other family > members. His experience may relate to others and shows that people move as > opportunities are presented to them -- > > The below is from Find-a-grave: > > Christian Strohl was likely one of the Hessian prisoners held at > Charlottesville, Virginia and, after sent to Frederick, Maryland, and then > Reading, Pennsylvania, took up the offer to become an indentured servant in > exchange for his freedom from POW camp. He offered himself into indenture > while at Reading, Berks County, Pa. on September 11, 1782. Michael Kiser > purchased the indenture. Like Strohl, Kiser himself was a native of > Rumpenheim, having been born there, likely a son of Valentine and Maria > Eppart Kiser. Kiser had left Germany in 1750. Kiser was also a veteran of > the American Revolution, having served in Capt. Philip Krick's 8th Company, > Fourth Battalion, Pennsylvania Line (possibly militia). Kiser's name appears > on a list of fines assessed in the years 1777-1778 for being absent from > muster or drill. > > Nevertheless, the purchase of Strohl's indenture by Kiser may not have been > purely coincidence as the Reformed Lutheran church records from Rumpenheim > show that the Kayser and Strohl families lived near each other, attended the > same church, intermarried, and witnessed each other's baptisms. The Strole > birth and baptism certificate shows that Christian Strole was confirmed at > this church in Rumpenheim in the spring of 1772. It appears possible that > Michael purchased Christian's indenture and subsequently freed him because > their families were closely linked in Germany. Not long after purchasing > Strohl's indenture, sometime in 1783, the Kiser family, having purchased > 1030 acres of land along the south fork of the Shenandoah River in what was > then Rockingham County, Virginia, left Berks County, Pennsylvania for > Virginia (the part of the state that is now Page County). Strohl, still > being bound by his three year indenture, accompanied the Kiser family. > > Days before the expiration of his indenture, on September 7, 1785, Christian > Strole purchased from Martin Strickler, 300 acres of land between the > Shenandoah River and Peaked Mountain (in what was then Rockingham County, > Virginia, and is now Page County). The home which he soon after built still > stands today. On April 8, 1788, just over five years since Christian had > been indentured to the Kiser family, he married Kiser's daughter, Elizabeth. > In all, Christian and Elizabeth had fourteen children between 1789 and 1814. > Christian died on March 18, 1841 and was buried in what is now known as the > Christian Strole cemetery near Grove Hill in Page County, Virginia. > Elizabeth died October 27, 1854. > > From: Find a Grave > Created by: June Standley > Record added: May 02, 2008 > Find A Grave Memorial# 26541374 > > Here also is a website recently moved > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~amrevhessians > It is just about Hessian soldier during the American Revolution. > > Happy researching. > > Tina Zogott > > ------------------------ Search the Archives > at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is an Adam Wise from Washington Co in Database at DAR.org. Go to bottom right of website and click on genealogy. Then click on ancestor search. Put in Adam Wise and PA. Or... This link might work for you. http://services.dar.org/public/dar_research/search_adb/default.cfm Beverly Railey Robinson Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2014, at 3:37 PM, "Andrea Colley" <raggs@cox.net> wrote: > My immigrant ancestor Johan Adam Weiss (Adam Wise) of Pipe Creek, MD and > Washington County PA did not fight in the Revolutionary War but I have > "heard" that he did supply the armies and as a result was given land in > Washington County. Is there any way to verify this? > > Thanks, > > Andrea Wise Kidd Colley > > -----Original Message----- > From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of TINHOW@comcast.net > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:41 PM > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BRE] Hessian Soldiers - Additional Information > > > Hello: > > I am descended from a Hessian soldier (Christian Strohl) - The below might > be of assistance. As a prisoner of war Christian was held in Va, Md and PA. > My understanding is that at the end of the Revolutionary War, the Hessians > had the option of being deported or being an indentured servant. Many took > the indentured route - a great opportunity for a new life. > > He was Lutheran. However, where he lived in Page Country, Shenandoah Valley, > Virginia is surrounded by Church of the Brethren Churches. I know that my > great-grandparents were Church of the Brethren and when they went by wagon > train from Virginia to Kansas for cheap land in the 1870's, they continued > to be Brethren. > > Christian Strohl is buried on his farm on Grove Hill along with other family > members. His experience may relate to others and shows that people move as > opportunities are presented to them -- > > The below is from Find-a-grave: > > Christian Strohl was likely one of the Hessian prisoners held at > Charlottesville, Virginia and, after sent to Frederick, Maryland, and then > Reading, Pennsylvania, took up the offer to become an indentured servant in > exchange for his freedom from POW camp. He offered himself into indenture > while at Reading, Berks County, Pa. on September 11, 1782. Michael Kiser > purchased the indenture. Like Strohl, Kiser himself was a native of > Rumpenheim, having been born there, likely a son of Valentine and Maria > Eppart Kiser. Kiser had left Germany in 1750. Kiser was also a veteran of > the American Revolution, having served in Capt. Philip Krick's 8th Company, > Fourth Battalion, Pennsylvania Line (possibly militia). Kiser's name appears > on a list of fines assessed in the years 1777-1778 for being absent from > muster or drill. > > Nevertheless, the purchase of Strohl's indenture by Kiser may not have been > purely coincidence as the Reformed Lutheran church records from Rumpenheim > show that the Kayser and Strohl families lived near each other, attended the > same church, intermarried, and witnessed each other's baptisms. The Strole > birth and baptism certificate shows that Christian Strole was confirmed at > this church in Rumpenheim in the spring of 1772. It appears possible that > Michael purchased Christian's indenture and subsequently freed him because > their families were closely linked in Germany. Not long after purchasing > Strohl's indenture, sometime in 1783, the Kiser family, having purchased > 1030 acres of land along the south fork of the Shenandoah River in what was > then Rockingham County, Virginia, left Berks County, Pennsylvania for > Virginia (the part of the state that is now Page County). Strohl, still > being bound by his three year indenture, accompanied the Kiser family. > > Days before the expiration of his indenture, on September 7, 1785, Christian > Strole purchased from Martin Strickler, 300 acres of land between the > Shenandoah River and Peaked Mountain (in what was then Rockingham County, > Virginia, and is now Page County). The home which he soon after built still > stands today. On April 8, 1788, just over five years since Christian had > been indentured to the Kiser family, he married Kiser's daughter, Elizabeth. > In all, Christian and Elizabeth had fourteen children between 1789 and 1814. > Christian died on March 18, 1841 and was buried in what is now known as the > Christian Strole cemetery near Grove Hill in Page County, Virginia. > Elizabeth died October 27, 1854. > > From: Find a Grave > Created by: June Standley > Record added: May 02, 2008 > Find A Grave Memorial# 26541374 > > Here also is a website recently moved > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~amrevhessians > It is just about Hessian soldier during the American Revolution. > > Happy researching. > > Tina Zogott > > ------------------------ Search the Archives > at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My immigrant ancestor Johan Adam Weiss (Adam Wise) of Pipe Creek, MD and Washington County PA did not fight in the Revolutionary War but I have "heard" that he did supply the armies and as a result was given land in Washington County. Is there any way to verify this? Thanks, Andrea Wise Kidd Colley -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TINHOW@comcast.net Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:41 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Hessian Soldiers - Additional Information Hello: I am descended from a Hessian soldier (Christian Strohl) - The below might be of assistance. As a prisoner of war Christian was held in Va, Md and PA. My understanding is that at the end of the Revolutionary War, the Hessians had the option of being deported or being an indentured servant. Many took the indentured route - a great opportunity for a new life. He was Lutheran. However, where he lived in Page Country, Shenandoah Valley, Virginia is surrounded by Church of the Brethren Churches. I know that my great-grandparents were Church of the Brethren and when they went by wagon train from Virginia to Kansas for cheap land in the 1870's, they continued to be Brethren. Christian Strohl is buried on his farm on Grove Hill along with other family members. His experience may relate to others and shows that people move as opportunities are presented to them -- The below is from Find-a-grave: Christian Strohl was likely one of the Hessian prisoners held at Charlottesville, Virginia and, after sent to Frederick, Maryland, and then Reading, Pennsylvania, took up the offer to become an indentured servant in exchange for his freedom from POW camp. He offered himself into indenture while at Reading, Berks County, Pa. on September 11, 1782. Michael Kiser purchased the indenture. Like Strohl, Kiser himself was a native of Rumpenheim, having been born there, likely a son of Valentine and Maria Eppart Kiser. Kiser had left Germany in 1750. Kiser was also a veteran of the American Revolution, having served in Capt. Philip Krick's 8th Company, Fourth Battalion, Pennsylvania Line (possibly militia). Kiser's name appears on a list of fines assessed in the years 1777-1778 for being absent from muster or drill. Nevertheless, the purchase of Strohl's indenture by Kiser may not have been purely coincidence as the Reformed Lutheran church records from Rumpenheim show that the Kayser and Strohl families lived near each other, attended the same church, intermarried, and witnessed each other's baptisms. The Strole birth and baptism certificate shows that Christian Strole was confirmed at this church in Rumpenheim in the spring of 1772. It appears possible that Michael purchased Christian's indenture and subsequently freed him because their families were closely linked in Germany. Not long after purchasing Strohl's indenture, sometime in 1783, the Kiser family, having purchased 1030 acres of land along the south fork of the Shenandoah River in what was then Rockingham County, Virginia, left Berks County, Pennsylvania for Virginia (the part of the state that is now Page County). Strohl, still being bound by his three year indenture, accompanied the Kiser family. Days before the expiration of his indenture, on September 7, 1785, Christian Strole purchased from Martin Strickler, 300 acres of land between the Shenandoah River and Peaked Mountain (in what was then Rockingham County, Virginia, and is now Page County). The home which he soon after built still stands today. On April 8, 1788, just over five years since Christian had been indentured to the Kiser family, he married Kiser's daughter, Elizabeth. In all, Christian and Elizabeth had fourteen children between 1789 and 1814. Christian died on March 18, 1841 and was buried in what is now known as the Christian Strole cemetery near Grove Hill in Page County, Virginia. Elizabeth died October 27, 1854. From: Find a Grave Created by: June Standley Record added: May 02, 2008 Find A Grave Memorial# 26541374 Here also is a website recently moved http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~amrevhessians It is just about Hessian soldier during the American Revolution. Happy researching. Tina Zogott ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello: I am descended from a Hessian soldier (Christian Strohl) - The below might be of assistance. As a prisoner of war Christian was held in Va, Md and PA. My understanding is that at the end of the Revolutionary War, the Hessians had the option of being deported or being an indentured servant. Many took the indentured route - a great opportunity for a new life. He was Lutheran. However, where he lived in Page Country, Shenandoah Valley, Virginia is surrounded by Church of the Brethren Churches. I know that my great-grandparents were Church of the Brethren and when they went by wagon train from Virginia to Kansas for cheap land in the 1870's, they continued to be Brethren. Christian Strohl is buried on his farm on Grove Hill along with other family members. His experience may relate to others and shows that people move as opportunities are presented to them -- The below is from Find-a-grave: Christian Strohl was likely one of the Hessian prisoners held at Charlottesville, Virginia and, after sent to Frederick, Maryland, and then Reading, Pennsylvania, took up the offer to become an indentured servant in exchange for his freedom from POW camp. He offered himself into indenture while at Reading, Berks County, Pa. on September 11, 1782. Michael Kiser purchased the indenture. Like Strohl, Kiser himself was a native of Rumpenheim, having been born there, likely a son of Valentine and Maria Eppart Kiser. Kiser had left Germany in 1750. Kiser was also a veteran of the American Revolution, having served in Capt. Philip Krick's 8th Company, Fourth Battalion, Pennsylvania Line (possibly militia). Kiser's name appears on a list of fines assessed in the years 1777-1778 for being absent from muster or drill. Nevertheless, the purchase of Strohl's indenture by Kiser may not have been purely coincidence as the Reformed Lutheran church records from Rumpenheim show that the Kayser and Strohl families lived near each other, attended the same church, intermarried, and witnessed each other's baptisms. The Strole birth and baptism certificate shows that Christian Strole was confirmed at this church in Rumpenheim in the spring of 1772. It appears possible that Michael purchased Christian's indenture and subsequently freed him because their families were closely linked in Germany. Not long after purchasing Strohl's indenture, sometime in 1783, the Kiser family, having purchased 1030 acres of land along the south fork of the Shenandoah River in what was then Rockingham County, Virginia, left Berks County, Pennsylvania for Virginia (the part of the state that is now Page County). Strohl, still being bound by his three year indenture, accompanied the Kiser family. Days before the expiration of his indenture, on September 7, 1785, Christian Strole purchased from Martin Strickler, 300 acres of land between the Shenandoah River and Peaked Mountain (in what was then Rockingham County, Virginia, and is now Page County). The home which he soon after built still stands today. On April 8, 1788, just over five years since Christian had been indentured to the Kiser family, he married Kiser's daughter, Elizabeth. In all, Christian and Elizabeth had fourteen children between 1789 and 1814. Christian died on March 18, 1841 and was buried in what is now known as the Christian Strole cemetery near Grove Hill in Page County, Virginia. Elizabeth died October 27, 1854. From: Find a Grave Created by: June Standley Record added: May 02, 2008 Find A Grave Memorial# 26541374 Here also is a website recently moved http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~amrevhessians It is just about Hessian soldier during the American Revolution. Happy researching. Tina Zogott

I am interested in reviewing any information which places Brethren in the Mecklenburg County, North Carolina area prior to 1800. ************* Please keep me informed on anything you receive. My own ancestor was the minister, Conrad Kearns, of the Crane Creek Church at Salisbury NC (during the American Revolution), and I myself helped start the Friendship Church at North Wilkesboro NC (back in the late '50s). I do have interest in the Brethren in the Carolinas. As far as I know, there is no information on any such settlement. We have information on areas north on the Catawbe and Yadkin Rivers, and into South Carolina on the Catawbe and Broad Rivers. There may have been early Brethren there near Charlotte. It may take a detailed search of particular families, with inclusion of their neighbors. Roger Sappington wrote a history of the Brethren in the Carolinas in 1971. The first chapter is on this early period. It does not mention Mecklenburg Co. We have found some information about the area since then, but primarily as we have searched the actions and migration of individual families. I've tried to keep a file on these. The present Church of the Brethren in North Carolina (and the few churches in South Carolina) are the result of much later church action. Most of them starting about the 1890s. Annual Meeting took action against the "Universalism" in the Carolinas in the 1790s [it was considered a distortion of the Pietist belief in "Eternal Restoration"] - put the leaders on the "Ban" and the churches disappeared. Except for the recovered writings of Morgan Edwards, there is little or no information of the earlier Brethren churches in the Carolinas. Merle C Rummel

Sappington - in his History: The Brethren in the Carolinas - says that Austin Cooper wrote an unpublished biography of George Adam Martin. Is there any copy available to this? I have the couple pages on George Adam, in Coopers "2 Centuries in Brothers Valley" - but I suspect he did more - later. Merle C Rummel

Hello, I am interested in reviewing any information which places Brethren in the Mecklenburg County, North Carolina area prior to 1800. Many thanks, in advance, for any information that can be provided. Roscoe Montgomery rmont@atlanticbb.net http://BotetourtRoots.org

Hello: I have searched records for military personnel [happen to be English] that fought during the Revolutionary War. Military records for personnel fighting for England during that period are supposed to be located at the KEW in London. I have had a search done there with no luck, and I even had the regiments narrowed down due to the camapign this person fought in ....apparently some records have been misplaced/and/or lost....Not sure if this will help....good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: john shafer Sent: 02/18/14 12:25 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] FW: Hessian soldiers The brethren were generally pacifists so would not likely have been connected to the brethren at that time. However it would be possible that after finishing his service he was later drawn to the faith of the other Germans around him. The names Auckerman and Rhodes can be found among the brethren. John Shafer Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 18, 2014, at 11:51 AM, "Christine" <cwelch@neo.rr.com> wrote: > > > > I have been stuck for a very long time in the Shenandoah Valley. My > ancestors were German and may have been old German Baptist or possibly > Brethren. Since there's seems to be a conversation going on about 2 things > I've been stuck on, I thought I'd jump in here. > > > > My ancestor Stophel Auckerman may have been a Hessian soldier who was in SW > Pa. during and after the The Revolution. His children were born in Va. and > Pa., the last one in about 1790 reportedly in Pa.. Does anyone know if > Hessian soldiers might have been connected to the Brethren? I have read tha! t > many or most were Protestants. > > > > In 1795, in Frederick Co., Va.(Shenandoah Valley) his wife, Elisabeth, > passed away. Three (3) different men were listed as guardians for her three > children ages 5, 9, and 13. There was nothing stated about the husband, > Stophel. I have found a man by similar name in PA. in the 1810 census in > Northumberland Co. and again in 1820 in Allegheny Co.. > > > > Any educated guesses what might have been the case. Should I assume Stophel > has died? Divorced Elizabeth? Is it likely that any or all of these men > might have been relatives? Does the Brethren Church in that area have any > records? Their son John (1786-1874) reportedly born in PA., was living in > Shenandoah Co. in the 1810 census before going to southern Ohio the > following year. I have very little about this family and can't seem to find > anything else either. The surnames of the guardians were > Rhodes/Roads/Zink/Zinck and Bittman/Pittman. Thanks for any suggestions! ! > > > > Christine in NE Ohio > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, the Smith Hessian soldiers in our tree were conscripted. The story came down that the two brothers were working in their family's farm fields and were taken by the king's men, without even having time to say goodbye to their family. Of course, this could have been embellished over time, but they did not go willingly. They were so unhappy about this that they escaped and joined the American troops and stayed for the duration of the war. They were not Brethren, though. Melanie Rice On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:23 PM, John McLeod <jm6@hubwest.com> wrote: > Most of the rank and file soldiers in the Hessian forces in the > Revolution were NOT volunteers! They were drafted into service by the > Elector of Hesse and were "mercenary" only in the sense that the King of > England, who was also the King of Hanover, paid the Elector of Hesse to > send an army. I have read accounts that claimed that every time they > marched through a German language village, each company would loose one > or two men. An unwilling draftee might have been delighted to hide in a > pacifist community. > > On 2/18/2014 11:25 AM, john shafer wrote: > > The brethren were generally pacifists so would not likely have been > connected to the brethren at that time. However it would be possible that > after finishing his service he was later drawn to the faith of the other > Germans around him. The names Auckerman and Rhodes can be found among the > brethren. > > > > John Shafer > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Feb 18, 2014, at 11:51 AM, "Christine"<cwelch@neo.rr.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> I have been stuck for a very long time in the Shenandoah Valley. My > >> ancestors were German and may have been old German Baptist or possibly > >> Brethren. Since there's seems to be a conversation going on about 2 > things > >> I've been stuck on, I thought I'd jump in here. > >> > >> > >> > >> My ancestor Stophel Auckerman may have been a Hessian soldier who was > in SW > >> Pa. during and after the The Revolution. His children were born in Va. > and > >> Pa., the last one in about 1790 reportedly in Pa.. Does anyone know if > >> Hessian soldiers might have been connected to the Brethren? I have read > that > >> many or most were Protestants. > >> > >> > >> > >> In 1795, in Frederick Co., Va.(Shenandoah Valley) his wife, Elisabeth, > >> passed away. Three (3) different men were listed as guardians for her > three > >> children ages 5, 9, and 13. There was nothing stated about the husband, > >> Stophel. I have found a man by similar name in PA. in the 1810 census in > >> Northumberland Co. and again in 1820 in Allegheny Co.. > >> > >> > >> > >> Any educated guesses what might have been the case. Should I assume > Stophel > >> has died? Divorced Elizabeth? Is it likely that any or all of these men > >> might have been relatives? Does the Brethren Church in that area have > any > >> records? Their son John (1786-1874) reportedly born in PA., was living > in > >> Shenandoah Co. in the 1810 census before going to southern Ohio the > >> following year. I have very little about this family and can't seem to > find > >> anything else either. The surnames of the guardians were > >> Rhodes/Roads/Zink/Zinck and Bittman/Pittman. Thanks for any suggestions! > >> > >> > >> > >> Christine in NE Ohio > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------ > >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > >> ------------------------ > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Most of the rank and file soldiers in the Hessian forces in the Revolution were NOT volunteers! They were drafted into service by the Elector of Hesse and were "mercenary" only in the sense that the King of England, who was also the King of Hanover, paid the Elector of Hesse to send an army. I have read accounts that claimed that every time they marched through a German language village, each company would loose one or two men. An unwilling draftee might have been delighted to hide in a pacifist community. On 2/18/2014 11:25 AM, john shafer wrote: > The brethren were generally pacifists so would not likely have been connected to the brethren at that time. However it would be possible that after finishing his service he was later drawn to the faith of the other Germans around him. The names Auckerman and Rhodes can be found among the brethren. > > John Shafer > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 18, 2014, at 11:51 AM, "Christine"<cwelch@neo.rr.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> I have been stuck for a very long time in the Shenandoah Valley. My >> ancestors were German and may have been old German Baptist or possibly >> Brethren. Since there's seems to be a conversation going on about 2 things >> I've been stuck on, I thought I'd jump in here. >> >> >> >> My ancestor Stophel Auckerman may have been a Hessian soldier who was in SW >> Pa. during and after the The Revolution. His children were born in Va. and >> Pa., the last one in about 1790 reportedly in Pa.. Does anyone know if >> Hessian soldiers might have been connected to the Brethren? I have read that >> many or most were Protestants. >> >> >> >> In 1795, in Frederick Co., Va.(Shenandoah Valley) his wife, Elisabeth, >> passed away. Three (3) different men were listed as guardians for her three >> children ages 5, 9, and 13. There was nothing stated about the husband, >> Stophel. I have found a man by similar name in PA. in the 1810 census in >> Northumberland Co. and again in 1820 in Allegheny Co.. >> >> >> >> Any educated guesses what might have been the case. Should I assume Stophel >> has died? Divorced Elizabeth? Is it likely that any or all of these men >> might have been relatives? Does the Brethren Church in that area have any >> records? Their son John (1786-1874) reportedly born in PA., was living in >> Shenandoah Co. in the 1810 census before going to southern Ohio the >> following year. I have very little about this family and can't seem to find >> anything else either. The surnames of the guardians were >> Rhodes/Roads/Zink/Zinck and Bittman/Pittman. Thanks for any suggestions! >> >> >> >> Christine in NE Ohio >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, there were Hessians with Cornwallis, but there were also Hessians at Trenton, NJ, when Washington attacked on Xmas morning!! On 2/18/2014 1:05 PM, Bill Thomas wrote: > The Hessian's were part the army of Cornwallis. They came down from New > York to Charleston, and followed Cornwallis up to Yorktown. They fought at > the battle of Guilford Courthouse in North Carolina. My AWOL Hessian > ancestor left Cornwallis at Yorktown, about a month before the battle ended. > > Bill Thomas > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I also have more than one Hessian solider in my tree, but they were not Brethren. Leonard and Melchior Smith were conscripted and forced to fight for the British in the Revolution. They didn't like this so well, and escaped to join the American forces. Leonard was killed in battle, but Melchior survived and after the Revolution, stayed on in Union County, PA, where he married and raised a family. We have no records of this branch of our tree having a connection to the Brethren. But I can see how it would have been easy for the Hessians to be attracted to the German speaking protestants. Melanie Rice

Steve, this is a very similar story to the one I have for my ancestor who was possibly a Hessian soldier. I don't know how to best track these men. You likely have seen this site but I have pasted it here in case you haven't. http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/t/terms.h tm -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:48 PM To: cliff@nwwnet.net; brethren@rootsweb.com; brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] FW: Hessian soldiers I have a Hessian mystery also Johan Peter (Schweigert) Swigart is said to have been a Hessian also. Family stories say he was a Hessian and was indentured to an American farmer to pay for his passage to America. I have done some research on his unit. They were captured when Washington defeated Cornwallis he was a prisoner until 1783 when he deserted about the time they were being marched back to ships to be taken back home to Germany. Now research also says that Americans were able to buy a Hessians freedom and he would be bound to that farmer which may prove part of the family story. He was said to have married an American woman and they migrated to Ohio around 1808 and lived in Greene Co. I have been looking for marriages for Peter Swigart for years I'm wondering if he married into a family of the Brethren faith. He had 6 children the oldest born in Hagerstown Maryland in 1785 and the youngest born in Pennsylvania in 1790. -----Original Message----- >From: Merle Rummel <cliff@nwwnet.net> >Sent: Feb 18, 2014 12:40 PM >To: brethren@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BRE] FW: Hessian soldiers > >My ancestor Stophel Auckerman may have been a Hessian soldier who was in SW Pa. during and after the The Revolution. His children were born in Va. and Pa., the last one in about 1790 reportedly in Pa.. Does anyone know if Hessian soldiers might have been connected to the Brethren? I have read that many or most were Protestants. > >***************** > a prominent one - - > > The first Brethren Elder to move to Virginia was Elder Jacob Miller (1773 - to Franklin Co VA). He preached in German. He was accompanied by a William Smith, who preached in English (he was advanced to Eldership in Virginia, by Elder Jacob Miller). With Elder John Garber, of the Flat Rock Church (1775), these were the 3 most important Brethren in early Revolutionary Virginia. > > Jacob Miller moved to Dayton OH, about 1801. At the settlement of his estate (1816) was a William Smith, who almost certainly was the afore William Smith, preacher, now Elder Most of the children of Elder Jacob came here to the Four Mile (just across the state line in Indiana territory). We also have records here of two William Smiths, one of whom likely was this same person. The Elder William Smith (William Rose Smith), moved west (land records say he moved from Union Co IN - the Four Mile), to the Raccoon Creek church, Putnam Co IN, about 1826 (with the Potter John Miller family), and died there - in his 80s - about 1839. His wife (?1st wife) was Nancy Henderson, full sister to Sally Henderson, wife of Tobias Miller, half sister to Phoebe McClure, wife of Potter John Miller (both sons of Elder Jacob Miller) and to Isabella McClure, wife of William Crawford, best friend of Potter John - all of the Four Mile Church. > > The story of William Rose Smith, as followed by a descendent, Janie Smith, with help from Southern Virginia History, is that William Smith was a medical doctor in the British Army, under General Cornwallis, as they invaded the Carolinas and Virginia to end at surrender at Yorktown (1781). It is probably from there that Williiam Smith followed some of the Bedford Co Militia back to the Blue Ridge Mountains and Franklin Co Va. (He was between 20 and 30 years old at the time of the surrender, and refused repatriation to Canada.) His children were born in Franklin Co VA, came west to Putnam Co IN - and scattered further in Brethren migration. > > Mention of Elder William R Smith is in the History of the Church of the Brethren in Indiana, by Dr Otho Winger, under the Ladoga Church. This is a summation of a paper on Elder William Rose Smith (by Janie Smith and myself) (that has been submitted to Brethren Roots, but so far has not been published). > > *************** > But please - The Hessian troops were engaged in battles in the coastal areas from Boston to Maryland, possibly even to the Carolinas. Your Stophel Auckerman likely Moved West to the Pennsylvania frontier, but it would have been After the Revolution. The Brethren were in southwestern Pennsylvania years before the Revolution, and there was considerable migration to those areas after the war. I have seen mention of a number of the Hessians, who simply refused to return to Germany, disappeared from the British Army, and are found in various locations in the colonies. Some had been captured and there were others who had surrendered . > > In an 1801 marriage certificate, John Auckerman (son of Jacob and Elizabeth Auckerman - ?Gettysburg PA) was married to Mary Hole, at Williamsburg, Hamilton Co OH (now Clermont Co OH), by Jacob Miller, MG (Minister of the Gospel - which adds some confusion in my findings on Elder Jacob Miller) This is the Elizabeth, who deserted her husband and came with a Frederick Nunt to Columbia (sw corner of Cincinnati now) in 1789, with her children (son John, and 2 younger daughters), per an ad ran by Jacob Aukerman in the Frederick MD Newspaper. These were the earliest Brethren family I have found in Ohio. Due to the Virginia Bounty Lands Survey, they moved up to the Dayton area, where Elizabeth was in turn deserted. She lived with John and Mary at their farm at Gratis OH, and is buried at Eaton OH. > > I have found 3 Hessian Generals with the name Rummel (Prussians) who were in the British Army, but my ancestor was in Lancaster Co PA several decades before the Revolution. There is a possibility of a connection with a former Hessian soldier, who was living at Thurmont MD and my ancestor George Rummel, then at Gettysburg (letter by a Lawrence Rummel to a brother - another George Rummel, an Inn Keeper at Gettysburg [both Hessians?], about his daughter moving up there - c1800). Yes - I am certain there were 2 George Rummels in Gettysburg PA - in 1800 - that this was Not My George Rummel. Mine lived on a farm east of Gettysburg (the "Cavalry Field" of the Battle, "Rummel's Farm") - had to investigate it though. > > Merle C Rummel > > > ------------------------ Search the >Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a Hessian mystery also Johan Peter (Schweigert) Swigart is said to have been a Hessian also. Family stories say he was a Hessian and was indentured to an American farmer to pay for his passage to America. I have done some research on his unit. They were captured when Washington defeated Cornwallis he was a prisoner until 1783 when he deserted about the time they were being marched back to ships to be taken back home to Germany. Now research also says that Americans were able to buy a Hessians freedom and he would be bound to that farmer which may prove part of the family story. He was said to have married an American woman and they migrated to Ohio around 1808 and lived in Greene Co. I have been looking for marriages for Peter Swigart for years I'm wondering if he married into a family of the Brethren faith. He had 6 children the oldest born in Hagerstown Maryland in 1785 and the youngest born in Pennsylvania in 1790. -----Original Message----- >From: Merle Rummel <cliff@nwwnet.net> >Sent: Feb 18, 2014 12:40 PM >To: brethren@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BRE] FW: Hessian soldiers > >My ancestor Stophel Auckerman may have been a Hessian soldier who was in SW Pa. during and after the The Revolution. His children were born in Va. and Pa., the last one in about 1790 reportedly in Pa.. Does anyone know if Hessian soldiers might have been connected to the Brethren? I have read that many or most were Protestants. > >***************** > a prominent one - - > > The first Brethren Elder to move to Virginia was Elder Jacob Miller (1773 - to Franklin Co VA). He preached in German. He was accompanied by a William Smith, who preached in English (he was advanced to Eldership in Virginia, by Elder Jacob Miller). With Elder John Garber, of the Flat Rock Church (1775), these were the 3 most important Brethren in early Revolutionary Virginia. > > Jacob Miller moved to Dayton OH, about 1801. At the settlement of his estate (1816) was a William Smith, who almost certainly was the afore William Smith, preacher, now Elder Most of the children of Elder Jacob came here to the Four Mile (just across the state line in Indiana territory). We also have records here of two William Smiths, one of whom likely was this same person. The Elder William Smith (William Rose Smith), moved west (land records say he moved from Union Co IN - the Four Mile), to the Raccoon Creek church, Putnam Co IN, about 1826 (with the Potter John Miller family), and died there - in his 80s - about 1839. His wife (?1st wife) was Nancy Henderson, full sister to Sally Henderson, wife of Tobias Miller, half sister to Phoebe McClure, wife of Potter John Miller (both sons of Elder Jacob Miller) and to Isabella McClure, wife of William Crawford, best friend of Potter John - all of the Four Mile Church. > > The story of William Rose Smith, as followed by a descendent, Janie Smith, with help from Southern Virginia History, is that William Smith was a medical doctor in the British Army, under General Cornwallis, as they invaded the Carolinas and Virginia to end at surrender at Yorktown (1781). It is probably from there that Williiam Smith followed some of the Bedford Co Militia back to the Blue Ridge Mountains and Franklin Co Va. (He was between 20 and 30 years old at the time of the surrender, and refused repatriation to Canada.) His children were born in Franklin Co VA, came west to Putnam Co IN - and scattered further in Brethren migration. > > Mention of Elder William R Smith is in the History of the Church of the Brethren in Indiana, by Dr Otho Winger, under the Ladoga Church. This is a summation of a paper on Elder William Rose Smith (by Janie Smith and myself) (that has been submitted to Brethren Roots, but so far has not been published). > > *************** > But please - The Hessian troops were engaged in battles in the coastal areas from Boston to Maryland, possibly even to the Carolinas. Your Stophel Auckerman likely Moved West to the Pennsylvania frontier, but it would have been After the Revolution. The Brethren were in southwestern Pennsylvania years before the Revolution, and there was considerable migration to those areas after the war. I have seen mention of a number of the Hessians, who simply refused to return to Germany, disappeared from the British Army, and are found in various locations in the colonies. Some had been captured and there were others who had surrendered . > > In an 1801 marriage certificate, John Auckerman (son of Jacob and Elizabeth Auckerman - ?Gettysburg PA) was married to Mary Hole, at Williamsburg, Hamilton Co OH (now Clermont Co OH), by Jacob Miller, MG (Minister of the Gospel - which adds some confusion in my findings on Elder Jacob Miller) This is the Elizabeth, who deserted her husband and came with a Frederick Nunt to Columbia (sw corner of Cincinnati now) in 1789, with her children (son John, and 2 younger daughters), per an ad ran by Jacob Aukerman in the Frederick MD Newspaper. These were the earliest Brethren family I have found in Ohio. Due to the Virginia Bounty Lands Survey, they moved up to the Dayton area, where Elizabeth was in turn deserted. She lived with John and Mary at their farm at Gratis OH, and is buried at Eaton OH. > > I have found 3 Hessian Generals with the name Rummel (Prussians) who were in the British Army, but my ancestor was in Lancaster Co PA several decades before the Revolution. There is a possibility of a connection with a former Hessian soldier, who was living at Thurmont MD and my ancestor George Rummel, then at Gettysburg (letter by a Lawrence Rummel to a brother - another George Rummel, an Inn Keeper at Gettysburg [both Hessians?], about his daughter moving up there - c1800). Yes - I am certain there were 2 George Rummels in Gettysburg PA - in 1800 - that this was Not My George Rummel. Mine lived on a farm east of Gettysburg (the "Cavalry Field" of the Battle, "Rummel's Farm") - had to investigate it though. > > Merle C Rummel > > > ------------------------ >Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gale, I have a case in my family where the parent obviously was destitute and gave the children into service where the person they worked for became guardian. If you wanted money to go to children, you gave it to them specifically. Another case in my family, there was a specific exclusion for a daughter who married a man out of the faith and the father was not having any money go to her since she had married without permission. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: ghoneyman@woh.rr.com To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:22:48 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Age of Majority > 4) Would a guardianship be sought if the father was widowed but still alive? I have found this to be true in a number of cases when the maternal grandfather has left a bequest to a deceased daughter. Reasoning is to protect the inheritance for those specifically name grandchildren in case the father remarries. And, not always is the father named as their guardian. I have seen estates where the son-in-law had fallen from favor for one reason or another with other relatives or neighbors appointed as guardians. Many times children in the same family were given different guardians and occasionally they were replaced for various reasons. Gale ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to all of you who responded on my dilemma, does anyone have any ideas on the other part of my puzzle regarding the Shenandoah Valley of Va. and children's guardianships? (see below) From: Christine [mailto:cwelch@neo.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:19 AM To: 'brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com' Subject: Hessian soldiers I have been stuck for a very long time in the Shenandoah Valley. My ancestors were German and may have been old German Baptist or possibly Brethren. Since there's seems to be a conversation going on about 2 things I've been stuck on, I thought I'd jump in here. My ancestor Stophel Auckerman may have been a Hessian soldier who was in SW Pa. during and after the The Revolution. His children were born in Va. and Pa., the last one in about 1790 reportedly in Pa.. Does anyone know if Hessian soldiers might have been connected to the Brethren? I have read that many or most were Protestants. In 1795, in Frederick Co., Va.(Shenandoah Valley) his wife, Elisabeth, passed away. Three (3) different men were listed as guardians for her three children ages 5, 9, and 13. There was nothing stated about the husband, Stophel. I have found a man by similar name in PA. in the 1810 census in Northumberland Co. and again in 1820 in Allegheny Co.. Any educated guesses what might have been the case. Should I assume Stophel has died? Divorced Elizabeth? Is it likely that any or all of these men might have been relatives? Does the Brethren Church in that area have any records? Their son John (1786-1874) reportedly born in PA., was living in Shenandoah Co. in the 1810 census before going to southern Ohio the following year. I have very little about this family and can't seem to find anything else either. The surnames of the guardians were Rhodes/Roads/Zink/Zinck and Bittman/Pittman. Thanks for any suggestions! Christine in NE Ohio

> 4) Would a guardianship be sought if the father was widowed but still alive? I have found this to be true in a number of cases when the maternal grandfather has left a bequest to a deceased daughter. Reasoning is to protect the inheritance for those specifically name grandchildren in case the father remarries. And, not always is the father named as their guardian. I have seen estates where the son-in-law had fallen from favor for one reason or another with other relatives or neighbors appointed as guardians. Many times children in the same family were given different guardians and occasionally they were replaced for various reasons. Gale

Ruth,I think abt that,too. So amazing. Beverly Sent from my iPad On Feb 18, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Ruth Hoese <ruthjh@gmail.com> wrote: > It is hard for us of the automobile age to realize how much people > actually traveled back in those days. They really got around. > > On 2/18/2014 1:06 PM, john shafer wrote: >> Interesting you mention the Irish palatines Beverly. My grandfather always stated that my ancestor john shaffer came from Ireland but the shaffers were clearly German. There is a branch of my correll family that also ended up in Ireland via the German states. >> >> John >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:56 PM, "Beverly Robinson" <bez4@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>> In fact, King George was so German that he didn't speak English! He showed favoritism to some of my Irish Palatine ancestors, Germans sent to Ireland in 1709. They got payments for over twenty years and preferential land arrangements for being Protestant settlers in largely Catholic County Limerick. >>> >>> Beverly Railey Robinson >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:47 PM, "Bill Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> The area the Hessian's came from in Europe is not associated with the >>>> European version of the German Baptists. By the American Revolution, the >>>> European version was likely extinct. It was not uncommon for Hessian >>>> soldiers to go AWOL from the British Army. They likely joined in the first >>>> place out of economic needs. King George was of German ancestry and had >>>> alliances with Hesse, including using Hessian soldiers to fight in America. >>>> The 'House of Windsor' used by the Royal Family is a recent term, which came >>>> about during World War I, since having a King with a fancy German name, >>>> wasn't a politically correct thing to do when you were fighting the Germans. >>>> Especially when the Kaiser was the King of England's cousin. One of my >>>> ancestors was an AWOL Hessian. He was Lutheran. >>>> >>>> Bill Thomas >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------ >>>> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >>>> ------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's interesting, John. There is a good organization in Rathkeale, County Limerick. Check out irishpalatines.org. There is a lot of recorded history. My families came to western MD. Many went west. Beverly Sent from my iPad On Feb 18, 2014, at 2:06 PM, john shafer <shaferjp@hotmail.com> wrote: > Interesting you mention the Irish palatines Beverly. My grandfather always stated that my ancestor john shaffer came from Ireland but the shaffers were clearly German. There is a branch of my correll family that also ended up in Ireland via the German states. > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:56 PM, "Beverly Robinson" <bez4@aol.com> wrote: >> >> In fact, King George was so German that he didn't speak English! He showed favoritism to some of my Irish Palatine ancestors, Germans sent to Ireland in 1709. They got payments for over twenty years and preferential land arrangements for being Protestant settlers in largely Catholic County Limerick. >> >> Beverly Railey Robinson >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:47 PM, "Bill Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> wrote: >>> >>> The area the Hessian's came from in Europe is not associated with the >>> European version of the German Baptists. By the American Revolution, the >>> European version was likely extinct. It was not uncommon for Hessian >>> soldiers to go AWOL from the British Army. They likely joined in the first >>> place out of economic needs. King George was of German ancestry and had >>> alliances with Hesse, including using Hessian soldiers to fight in America. >>> The 'House of Windsor' used by the Royal Family is a recent term, which came >>> about during World War I, since having a King with a fancy German name, >>> wasn't a politically correct thing to do when you were fighting the Germans. >>> Especially when the Kaiser was the King of England's cousin. One of my >>> ancestors was an AWOL Hessian. He was Lutheran. >>> >>> Bill Thomas >>> >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Interesting you mention the Irish palatines Beverly. My grandfather always stated that my ancestor john shaffer came from Ireland but the shaffers were clearly German. There is a branch of my correll family that also ended up in Ireland via the German states. John Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:56 PM, "Beverly Robinson" <bez4@aol.com> wrote: > > In fact, King George was so German that he didn't speak English! He showed favoritism to some of my Irish Palatine ancestors, Germans sent to Ireland in 1709. They got payments for over twenty years and preferential land arrangements for being Protestant settlers in largely Catholic County Limerick. > > Beverly Railey Robinson > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:47 PM, "Bill Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> wrote: >> >> The area the Hessian's came from in Europe is not associated with the >> European version of the German Baptists. By the American Revolution, the >> European version was likely extinct. It was not uncommon for Hessian >> soldiers to go AWOL from the British Army. They likely joined in the first >> place out of economic needs. King George was of German ancestry and had >> alliances with Hesse, including using Hessian soldiers to fight in America. >> The 'House of Windsor' used by the Royal Family is a recent term, which came >> about during World War I, since having a King with a fancy German name, >> wasn't a politically correct thing to do when you were fighting the Germans. >> Especially when the Kaiser was the King of England's cousin. One of my >> ancestors was an AWOL Hessian. He was Lutheran. >> >> Bill Thomas >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message