Thanks for the information on the Mack daughters in the Willoughby book. Son Johannes Mack did indeed marry a Schneider as we have ascertained in two 18th-Century Pennsylvania documents, one a 1774 letter by Jacob Mack and the other a 1770 account by Morgan Edwards, and in the 1720s marriage records in the Netherlands. The spelling of the Schneider/Sneder name in Willoughby's book can be attributed to an error in the translation of the Netherlands records. Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: <m.cook1@juno.com> To: <Brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: [BRE] Alexander Mack's daughters > William Willoughby only claims two daughters for Alexander Mack. They are > Anna Margaret who died in infancy and Christina born in 1714 and died in > 1720. > Could the other Mack women be the daughters of one of Mack's brothers. He > was perhaps acting as guardian. > Gunter Fillbrunn who is related to the Macks through Mack's mother has > done extensive research on the family. He wrote me that he considered > Johannes' wife to be a Schneider, that Suderein was an abreviation or a > misspelling. > Milton Cook > _____________________________________________________________ > Click for free info on online degrees and make up to $150K/ year. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nlXGNT1WijTQS4gPI0IYEhZlGL0YGmCd1Fhkc5gdZU9LOUg/ > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I started to find out about this and then decided not to intervene; You need to contact Dr. George A. Jones. He founded the Henderson County North Carolina Genealogical and Historical Society. Dr. Jones is a retired Baptist minister, and one of the dearest and most dedicated historians in the entire world. He at 80+ goes to the office most days and when he does not, his wife Evelyn is there. I know that he would feel honored to receive a letter from you and that you would receive a positive answer. There is an e-mail address on their web site that you could use also There is a Cross Roads Baptist church in Zironia that he probably has the history of. He truly is an amazing, giving, history involved person. Mary Ann Rhodes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Webb" <SpiWebb@aol.com> To: "Brethren Mailing List" <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: [BRE] New church? > Afternoon List, > > Those of you making note of new information to added to any future > updates of the Brethren Encyclopedia please take note. > > There was a congregation called "Cross Roads Church" located in > Henderson county, North Carolina. The informant was Mrs. Mary A. > Kilpatrick of Flat Rock, same State. In reading the BE entries I was not > able to find an entry. I may be wrong. > > Wayne Webb > Editor: Brethren Roots > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Afternoon List, Another one for those of you keeping track of material for any future updates to the BE. Add Charles Creek church to the Tennesee congregations. It was formed in 1886 Warren county by George C. Bowman with three ministers appointed by Elder Bowman in 1887. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots

Afternoon List, Those of you making note of new information to added to any future updates of the Brethren Encyclopedia please take note. There was a congregation called "Cross Roads Church" located in Henderson county, North Carolina. The informant was Mrs. Mary A. Kilpatrick of Flat Rock, same State. In reading the BE entries I was not able to find an entry. I may be wrong. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots

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Morning Once Again Fellow List Members, Several years ago I published an article on the Dry Creek congregation of Linn County, Iowa, in "Brethren Roots" (Vol. 37, No. 1, Spring 2005, p. 1). The article had originally been printed in the "Brethren's Family Almanac" of 1895 on pages 33-34. Following is a seven year earlier article about the church from the "Gospel Messenger". "Historical. The following is a brief sketch of the organization of the Dry Creek church, Linn, Cedar, Delaware, and part of Benton, counties, Iowa. The undersigned emigrated from Frankstown congregation, Blair Co., Pa., April 16, 1854, wife and I being the only members known in Linn County at that date. In April, 1856, Eld. J. O. Waters, and others, emigrated from Conemaugh congregation, Cambria Co., Pa. In the same year, by the aid of elder Wager, of Ohio, we organized a church at the house of Eld. J. O. Waters. (I have to write from memory, as I have kept no record.) In the fall of 1856, the first love-feast was held in my barn, at which time I was elected to the ministry. In the year 1858, the first meeting-house was built in Linn County. There was no other in the State of Iowa at that date. The dimensions of the house were 30x40 feet, and 12 feet high in the clear. There was also a kitchen, 16x18 feet. The ministers who have been elected are, Jonathan Rees, J. C. Miller, Solomon Stamy and Martin Boyd. The deacons who have been elected are, Daniel Waters, Samuel Strayer, David Water, Daniel Albaugh, John Rithizer, James Wilson, George Rogers, John Bonebrake, Jacob B. Miller and C. Martin. The deacons who have settled with us are, Daniel Senger, John Boyd and Bro. Thorp. The ministers who have come to us at different times are, John. H. Filmore, Moses Rogers, John Voach, Daniel Holsinger and Abraham Stamy. The ministers who have died are, Moses Rogers, Jacob O. Waters and Abraham Stamy. We have at present two houses of worship. One is a new house, size 62x40 feet, and 18 feet high in the clear. The number of members is eighty-two, with four ministers and four deacons. In the year 1881, nearly one-half of our once happy congregation went to the Old Order element. Their number is, at present, about twenty-five. They have built a house 30x40 feet in dimensions, with a basement to it. Eld. Thos. G. Snyder. Box 794, Cedar Rapids, Ia., April 23. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots

Morning Fellow List Members, On the 11th of this month I posted an email to the list concerning several previously unknown of congregations in Randolph county, West Virginia. I now have additional information to share, an item from the May 10, 1887 issue, which will be followed by a short discourse. "From Over Hill, Upshur Co., W. Va. I visited the Brethren in Randolph Co., W. Va., March 26, and organized them into a congregation which will be known as the Middle Fork congregation. We installed two deacons, brethren Benjamin F. Saterfield and James Markley. There are, in all, twenty-eight members, and all expressed a willingness to conform to the Bible and the general order of the church in the plainness of dress. The sisters all appeared with the covering, in which so many of our sisters fail. I hope our West Virginia sisters may pattern after the Middle Fork sisters in this. We anointed sister Fox, who is quite old and feeble. She is awaiting patiently the time of the Lord, to remove her. She had been a member of the Disciple church for many years, till lately she joined the Brethren. May God bless and prosper this band of Brethren! April 9, I visited the Goshen congregation, this county, that was organized last November. I found love and- union prevailing with them; preached five discourses and appointed their love-feast for the evening of July 30, 1887. Those Brethren, as yet, have no church-house and are not likely to have, soon, as all are just beginning in a newly-settled country. Their school-house is too small for holding a love-feast, so the Brethren have decided to build a large shed on Bro. David Sine's farm, to be known as the Brethren's "clapboard tabernacle" under which to hold their love-feast, till the Lord blesses them with something better. We desire for all Brethren that can, to attend their love-feast. It is a new thing to them, none ever seeing the like. They now number thirty-seven members. The voice of one of our preachers was never heard at that place until Bro. Thos. Digman, from Garret Co., Md., visited it last October. February 11th, I visited a new place in Barbour Co., W. Va. I preached seven discourses, giving them the best I could, the plain truths of the gospel. Then I left them to prove all things. I have several letters to come back. If the Lord will, I will preach for them in the Vance church,-a M. E. church, May 7 and 8. The harvest is truly great but the laborers are few. Pray ye the Lord of the harvest to send more laborers into the field. There have been a great many baptized in the Brotherhood in the last six months, and, with a proper effort, that number could be doubled. Brethren and sisters, if you would hold up your ministers' hands, ere long you could hear the praise of God all over this broad land, in gospel purity. There are thousands of people to-day, crying for help. They are tired of the things of this world, and waiting to be released. We are getting calls every few days, and filling all we can, till it now takes us eight weeks to get around. We have four churches under our charge and none to help. Brethren, come this way, help us; there can, in this mountainous country, large churches be built up. We hope brethren going to Annual Meeting will see that the missionary cause is pushed forward. DAVID J. MILLER." As I mentioned in my previous email Mr. Emmert Bittinger in his book "Allegheny Passage" makes mention of the "Becky's Creek" congregation on page 744 of his work. He makes mentions also, on page 677, of the Middle Fork congregation. His research for the book was excellent but we now have additional information on this congregation. We can postively state that it was formed on March 26, 1887. However, we are still left to ponder exactly which one of the preaching points this congregation was as mentioned in the earlier Gospel Messenger newspaper article. Mr. Bittinger associated a B. F. Saterfield with the Middle Fork church but he states that this individual was a minister by 1874. The article seemingly indicates that we have two B. F. Saterfields-one a minister and one a deacon. Either that or an error was made in stating that B. F. Saterfield was a minister by 1874. Additional information to be gleaned from this newspaper item is intriguing as well. The "Brethren Encyclopedia" makes mention that the Goshen, West Virginia, congregation was formed sometime before 1918 when it first appeared in the "Yearbook". However, Mr. Bittinger, on page 669 of his work, correctly denotes the year of formation-1887. We can now clearly state that the Goshen congregation was organized on April 9, 1887, with their first church, "a clapboard tabernacle", being built on the farm of one of their deacons, David Sine. The Thomas Digman mentioned in the newspaper article would later be one of the ministers who went with the Dunkard Brethren. My thanks to Mr. Bittinger for an excellent book-if you do not have a copy of Allegheny Passage in your library I would recommend that you locate a copy. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots

David, My guess is that William G. Willoughby did access the original records, hand-written in Dutch, but that he had problems translating them into English for writing his book. I do not have a copy of his book yet, so I wonder how many of these Mack women he ascribed as daughters of Alexander Mack Sr. I did the same thing that you did, i.e., track down the Brethren marriages on the Internet. Because the web site I used had transcriptions rather than images, I was not able to discern whether the notes about the Macks were original or added to the original entries by the transcriber, in which case we cannot be sure who these Mack women belonged to. My date for the Susanna Mack(ingh) entry agrees with yours, so our sources agree. However, my source does have an (added?) note that she was a daughter of Alexander Mack. My source has no note about Maria Mack(ing), only that she married Christoffel Kalckleser. There were at least four other Brethren marriages in these data sources of those who came over on the Ship Allen in 1729. I'll wait to see what you come up with and then we can compare notes. Hope others might become interested and jump into the fray. I think we can agree that the Schneider problem has finally been resolved. Voila! Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Mack, Schneider, etc. marriages > Dwayne, > > What an amazing find! I am so surprised that you were able to find new > information on this subject after William G. Willoughby and others had > researched it so extensively. Kudos to you. > > I do wonder if Willoughby actually saw the records that you have access > to. I did some research yesterday and was able to find a Dutch database > that appears to be -- not sure -- an index to the town records of Dutch > cities, including Surhuisterveen. I'm not sure whom the target audience > is since some of it is written in Dutch and some in English. At any > rate, I was able to find three Mack marriages that took place in > Surhuisterveen. Willoughby says that Susanna Mack(ing) was married in > April 1725 but the database says that the marriage occurred 12 Nov 1725. > I don't know if this date agrees with your source or not. There isn't a > note appended to the record about her being a daughter of Alexander Mack > so this appears to be a different type of record than what you have. > > I am including the three Mack marriages in a separate post. I will go > through the records and try to find other items that relate to the > Brethren in Surhuisterveen but the records being written in Dutch does > present problems. By the way, did you find any notes appended to the > other marriage records that you found? One of the marriages that I found > is for Maria Mack(ingh), who could be another daughter of Alexander Mack. > > Thanks very much for locating this information. It seems so hard to > believe that additional children of Alexander Mack are being found after > so many years. It's really amazing. > > David Myers > > > > On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:45:21 -0500 "Dwayne Wrightsman" > <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: >> The Mack, Schneider, and other Brethren marriages that have been >> discussed in the past week or so can be found in the Marriage >> Proclamation Records of the Court of Achtkarspelen, the latter being >> the region in Friesland where the Mack Brethren lived prior to >> emigrating to Pennsylvania in 1729. >> >> The (mis)spelling Suederen in Willoughby's book is "Sneeder," the >> "en" being a suffix. Seems that a Dutch "n" looks like an English >> "u." She married John Mack, son of Alexander Mack Sr. "Sneeder" is >> also the name given to Christian Schneider who married Susanna >> Mackingh, "ingh" also being a Dutch suffix. Susanna Mack is said in >> a note to be the daughter of Alexander Mack. >> >> The Dutch "Sneeder" is the same as Schneider in this country. >> >> Looks like two Schneider siblings married two Mack siblings. >> >> I have found seven Brethren marriages in these records of emigrants >> who were on the Allen. I suspect that the marriages in the >> Willoughby book were from these same Dutch records. >> >> Dwayne Wrightsman

I have data on John George Chorpenning who married in Hagerstown, MD, Anna Maria Ankney (1757-1806). They moved to Somerset County, PA by 1780, but their original families had settled in Lancaster Co., PA. These folks were German. Donna

So - the David Wm Colglazier (1768-1835, married 1788 Westmoreland Co PA, to Cynthia May, son of John and Mary Colglazier) who came earliest (1790) to Clermont Co OH, then 1803 went to Washington Co IN - is in all probability a gr grandson of Alexander Mack? And we have in Washington Co IN a major center of the dispute between the Frontier Brethren and the Annual Meeting Elders - Merle C Rummel > Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 6 december 1728 > Man : Christoffel Kalckleser afkomstig van > Surhuisterveen > Vrouw : Maria Mackingh afkomstig van Surhuisterveen >

Has anyone come across this surname when searching in Pennsylvania? Most particularly around Cumberland or Franklin Counties? Can anyone venture a guess as to origin of the name? I have been told that I may want to ditch the Ch and just use a T, as it may have been a mangled German surname. Many Blessings, Janet Rogers North Carolina

Dwayne, What an amazing find! I am so surprised that you were able to find new information on this subject after William G. Willoughby and others had researched it so extensively. Kudos to you. I do wonder if Willoughby actually saw the records that you have access to. I did some research yesterday and was able to find a Dutch database that appears to be -- not sure -- an index to the town records of Dutch cities, including Surhuisterveen. I'm not sure whom the target audience is since some of it is written in Dutch and some in English. At any rate, I was able to find three Mack marriages that took place in Surhuisterveen. Willoughby says that Susanna Mack(ing) was married in April 1725 but the database says that the marriage occurred 12 Nov 1725. I don't know if this date agrees with your source or not. There isn't a note appended to the record about her being a daughter of Alexander Mack so this appears to be a different type of record than what you have. I am including the three Mack marriages in a separate post. I will go through the records and try to find other items that relate to the Brethren in Surhuisterveen but the records being written in Dutch does present problems. By the way, did you find any notes appended to the other marriage records that you found? One of the marriages that I found is for Maria Mack(ingh), who could be another daughter of Alexander Mack. Thanks very much for locating this information. It seems so hard to believe that additional children of Alexander Mack are being found after so many years. It's really amazing. David Myers On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:45:21 -0500 "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: > The Mack, Schneider, and other Brethren marriages that have been > discussed in the past week or so can be found in the Marriage > Proclamation Records of the Court of Achtkarspelen, the latter being > the region in Friesland where the Mack Brethren lived prior to > emigrating to Pennsylvania in 1729. > > The (mis)spelling Suederen in Willoughby's book is "Sneeder," the > "en" being a suffix. Seems that a Dutch "n" looks like an English > "u." She married John Mack, son of Alexander Mack Sr. "Sneeder" is > also the name given to Christian Schneider who married Susanna > Mackingh, "ingh" also being a Dutch suffix. Susanna Mack is said in > a note to be the daughter of Alexander Mack. > > The Dutch "Sneeder" is the same as Schneider in this country. > > Looks like two Schneider siblings married two Mack siblings. > > I have found seven Brethren marriages in these records of emigrants > who were on the Allen. I suspect that the marriages in the > Willoughby book were from these same Dutch records. > > Dwayne Wrightsman

TRESOAR Frisian Historical and Literary Centre http://www.tresoar.nl/bounce.html?ask_sam_doop.jsp?pagina=doop&stylesheet =onderzoek.css&lang=en Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1725 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 12 november 1725 Man : Christejaen Sneeder afkomstig van Surhuisterveen Vrouw : Susanna Mackingh afkomstig van Surhuisterveen Gestandaardiseerde namen: CHRISTIAAN en SUSANNA Bron: Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 Inventarisnr.: 1 Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar ------------------------------ Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1728 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 6 december 1728 Man : Christoffel Kalckleser afkomstig van Surhuisterveen Vrouw : Maria Mackingh afkomstig van Surhuisterveen Gestandaardiseerde namen: CHRISTOFFEL en MARIA Bron: Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 Inventarisnr.: 1 Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar ------------------------------------ Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1725 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 26 februari 1725 Man : Joannes Mack afkomstig van Surhuisterveen Vrouw : Joanna Margarita Snederen afkomstig van Surhuisterveen Gestandaardiseerde namen: JOHANNES en JOHANNA Bron: Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 Inventarisnr.: 1 Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar

The Mack, Schneider, and other Brethren marriages that have been discussed in the past week or so can be found in the Marriage Proclamation Records of the Court of Achtkarspelen, the latter being the region in Friesland where the Mack Brethren lived prior to emigrating to Pennsylvania in 1729. The (mis)spelling Suederen in Willoughby's book is "Sneeder," the "en" being a suffix. Seems that a Dutch "n" looks like an English "u." She married John Mack, son of Alexander Mack Sr. "Sneeder" is also the name given to Christian Schneider who married Susanna Mackingh, "ingh" also being a Dutch suffix. Susanna Mack is said in a note to be the daughter of Alexander Mack. The Dutch "Sneeder" is the same as Schneider in this country. Looks like two Schneider siblings married two Mack siblings. I have found seven Brethren marriages in these records of emigrants who were on the Allen. I suspect that the marriages in the Willoughby book were from these same Dutch records. Dwayne Wrightsman

In a message dated 2/10/2008 10:32:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SpiWebb@aol.com writes: Evening List, This is one of those email where I get to do a favor for several people-Bob Longbottom and Merle Rummel. SNIDER.-In the Upper Deer Creek church, Cass Co., Ind., Dec. 25, 1886 Bro. William Snider, aged 72 years, 9 months and 4 days. He was born in Bedford Co., Pa., March 21, 1814; moved to Miami Co., O., in 1838; was married to Catharine Senseman in 1839; moved to Indiana in 1849. He faithfully served as deacon for many years. He leaves a wife and eleven children to mourn their loss. Services by brethren Shively and Bowser. William Snider was the son of Joseph Snider (1765-1824) and his 2nd wife Catherine Evah. Joseph Snider was the son of Jacob and Margaret (unknown) Snider 1732-1790 of Berkeley Co., (West) Virginia. William and Catherine had 14 children but 3 died before William died in 1886. Bob L **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

Evening List, It is truly intriguiing what lies hidden in these old Gospel Messengers. Such a treasure! Please save this one Gale as I found only a veiled reference to the Becky's Creek congregation / meeting-house in "Allegheny Passage" on page 744. The other congregation is not mentioned at all. Thanks to Emmert, author of the aforementioned book, we know that Becky's Creek congregation was in existence at least into the early 1900s. -Bro. Joseph A. Miller, fo the Beaver Creek church, Rockingham Co., Va., reports that the church at that place is making some progress. He, in company with Bro. Levi Miller, visited Randolp Co., W. Va., in September, and preached at Becky's Creek three days, they baptized two persons, one aged seventy-eight and the other eighty-one years. There are fifteen members at this place, with one deacon and no minister. They visited another small band of members about fifteen miles from Becky's Creek. They number twenty-one, with one minister and three deacons. From the latter place they went to Clover Creek, spent two days with the Brethren thre, and then returned home. The traveling was all done on horseback. Bro. Miller again visited Becky's Creek in October, and remained eleven days, preaching the Word. Five were baptized, and five more promised to come on the next trip. Our Virginia brethren are doing a good deal of missionary work of this kind. May the Lord bless their labors! Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots

Afternoon List, I find the following to be an interesting item. It is one of the rare instances where I have seen the congregational lines so clearly defined. Enjoy. Another Church Organized in Kansas. On Tuesday, Feb. 1st, 1887, the brethren and sisters of Barton County, Kan., assembled at school-houss- No. 93, and, with the assistance of brethren M. M. Eshelman, John Hollinger and Abram Shepler, were organized into a church to be known as the "Walnut Valley Church." This name was adopted because the brethren here are located in a beautiful valley, traversed by two streams, called the Dry and Wet Walnut. The valley is also traversed by trhe Colorado and Walnut Valley R. R. The east boundary line is the line between Barton, Rice and Ellsworth counties; the south is the Arkansas River; west, the lnie between Kansas and Colorado; and to the north the south line of the north tier of Townships of Barton County and extending due west to Colorado. By referring to the map you will see that this boundary encloses a large territory, and includes nearly all of Greely, Wichita, Scott, Lane, Ness, Rush, Barton, Pawnee, Hodgman, and a large portion of Edwards, Ford, Finney and Hamilton counties; a territory that needs one hundred more good, zealous ministers to teach and to preach the gospel of the Kingdom. There are brethren in nearly (if not all) the above-named counties; but they have few ministers and few meetings. There are a number of brethren in Scott County and it is hoped an organization can soon be effected there. Organizations in Rush, Lane and Ness counties could soon be formed if the proper assistance could be given them. The great need of Western Kansas is more good, zealous ministers, and the greatest need is a number of good faithful elders to oversee and take charge of the work. Ye ministers and elders of the eastern States, how long are you going to stay where you are not needed? How long are you yet going to be deaf to the Savior's "Go ye" in the gospel, and the Brethren's "Come ye" to the West? The Walnut Valley Church has a membership of about eighty; thirty of which live in the south-west part of Barton County, and the others are scattered in the counties above named. Our ministry being unable to fill the many calls for preaching, it was decided to call another brother to the ministry. The lot fell upon Bro. Michael Keller. After being properly encouraged and fuly instructd, Bro. Keller was installed into his office. He earnestly desires the fervent prayers of the righteous in his behalf, that, by the grace of God, he may be a faithful minister of the word. The writer was advanced to the second degree of the ministry; and, dear brethren, he keenly feels the sense of responsibilities now placed upon him, and earnestly desires your prayers, your advice, your encouragement and your reproofs, that he may ever be found in the path of duty. Our much esteemed elder (Bro. George Elliot) is growing quite infirm and much desires that some worthy elder might come to his assistance. A cleark, treasurer, trustee, and missionary solicitors, were also elected. Our prayer is that the Walnut Valley Church may ever by destitute of the "lawless and disobedient." The brethren while with us gave us a number of good sermons, and we trust they will come to our assitance often. Brethren traveling are requested to stop with us. Correspondence answered and information cheerfully given. Enclose stamps. L. Allenbaugh Great Bend, Kansas. NOTE: Lincoln Allenbaugh, the writer of the above item, was born in the bounds of the Northeastern District of Ohio on Mar. 7, 1861 (most likely Ashland county), the son of Samuel Allenbaugh (1816-1895) and Mary 'Meyers' Allenbaugh (1823-1895). Samuel and Mary were both natives of Meyersdale, Somerset county, Pennsylvania. Lincoln Allenbaugh married Alice Dentler on Mar. 21, 1882, but their marriage was a short one. Lincoln was first elected to the ministry in the Loudonville church of Ashland county, Ohio, where his father, Samuel, was a deacon. This was most likely in the Plum Run house of that church. Lincoln, after aiding in the forming of the Walnut Valley church, died on Sept. 10, 1887, in Barton county, Kansas. His obituary reads as follows: "ALLENBAUGH.-In Walnut Valley church, Barton Co., Kan., Sept. 10, of typhoid fever, Bro. Lincoln Allenbaugh, aged 26 years, 6 months and 3 days. He was a minister in the second degree, and discharged his duty manfully in the fear of the Lord. Services by Bro. D. B. Martin and Bro. M. Keller, from Job. 14: 14. Augustus Bush." The Walnut Valley church would survive for some forty years and was last listed in the Yearbook of 1928 with only twelve members. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots

Someone asked for Joan's obit. a few messages back. I just ran across this one in our local paper. JOAN LAVY, 69 of Arcanum, Ohio; died Feb. 05 at Miami Valley Hospital, Dayton, OH She is survived by her husband, Marvin Lavy; two daughters: Kathy Helton of Tipp City, OH, and Misti Grimson and husband Gerry of Springfield, OH; a son: Sheldon Lavy and wife Kim of Arcanum, OH; six grandchildren and spouses: Ben Spitler, Landon Spitler and fiancee Barbara Stiles, Amanda Riffel and husband, Quenton, Troy Lavy and wife Melanie, Kip Lavy and Cody Lavy; and a great granddaughter, Sophie Riffel. Funeral services will be held Feb. 10 at the Painter Creek Old German Baptist Meeting House at 10a.m. Officiating will be the Home Brethren. Burial will follow in the Mote Cemetery. The family will receive relatives and friends on Feb. 9th from 2-6pm. at Kreitzer Funeral Home in Arcanum, OH., where the Prayer Service will be conducted on Sunday at 9a.m. Shirley L. Frick

Thanks Wayne Deer Creek - actually most of those churches in Wabash Country - were originally settled from the Four Mile, with kin from the Twin Creek and Great Miami. Elder William Smith Toney (born 1837 - I always did wonder where he got that name? - now -had to have been because of Elder William Smith) - came from the Four Mile (married here). His cousin, Elder Carey Toney (wives were sisters), lived here, and was Madelaine's gr grandfather. Merle C Rummel > SNIDER.-In the Upper Deer Creek church, Cass Co., Ind., Dec. 25, Bro. William Snider, aged 72 years, 9 months and 4 days. > He was born in Bedford Co., Pa., March 21, 1814; moved to Miami Co., O., in 1838; was married to Catharine Senseman in 1839; moved to Indiana in 1849. He faithfully served as deacon for many years. He leaves a wife and eleven children to mourn their loss. Services by brethren Shively and Bowser. > > GISH.-At the same place, Jan. 13, Bro. James Griffin Gish, aged 51 years, 4 months and 12 days. He was born in Roanoke Co., Va., Sept. 1, 1835. He was a kind husband, an affectionate father and a consistent member. > W. S. Toney. > (Elder William Smith Toney)

Evening List, This is one of those email where I get to do a favor for several people-Bob Longbottom and Merle Rummel. SNIDER.-In the Upper Deer Creek church, Cass Co., Ind., Dec. 25, Bro. William Snider, aged 72 years, 9 months and 4 days. He was born in Bedford Co., Pa., March 21, 1814; moved to Miami Co., O., in 1838; was married to Catharine Senseman in 1839; moved to Indiana in 1849. He faithfully served as deacon for many years. He leaves a wife and eleven children to mourn their loss. Services by brethren Shively and Bowser. GISH.-At the same place, Jan. 13, Bro. James Griffin Gish, aged 51 years, 4 months and 12 days. He was born in Roanoke Co., Va., Sept. 1, 1835. He was a kind husband, an affectionate father and a consistent member. W. S. Toney. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots