Hance Slaughter and his wife Caterina were passengers on the Ship Allen in 1729. They settled in Philadelphia County (now Montgomery County) Pennsylvania. In the 1734 Roxburro records, John Slaughter was listed with 38 acres. Also listed in Roxburro were Brethren men John Mack (18 acres) and John Gumry (100 acres). Later, John and Catherine Slaughter were living in the "Back Part" of Germantown, where he was a butcher. An interesting account of their experience in Germantown can be found in the Pennsylvania Genealogical Magazine, Vol. 20, No. 2. This account says that they were Brethren but it lists Brumbaugh as the source. Brumbaugh has all passengers on the Ship Allen as being Brethren, which was not the case, thus we cannot be sure that John Slaughter was Brethren. In "September 1750, Catherine, wife of John Slaughter, Germantown, Philadelphia County, eloped" according to an account written in the Pennsylvania Gazette. What this means is that she left her husband, but not necessarily for another man. Slaughter is not a usual German spelling. Hance Slaughter was not literate when he immigrated and thus his name was written on Lists B and C as the clerks heard it. Perhaps his name was Schlotter or Schlatter or something similar. Does anyone know anything about this interesting couple? Dwayne Wrightsman

List, Can someone tell which congregation this meeting house belong to. . The Gospel Messenger Feb. 12, 1889 page 110 Dedication of Mt. Zion Church, Washington County, Md Very near the spot where the old Mt. Zion church, or more commonly know as Fahrney’s meeting-house, stood for about one hundred twenty-five years, with it marks of age and dilapidation, now stands a new and substantial brick house, 35x45 feet in size, with a seating capacity for three hundred fifty people. The necessity of building a new house at this place, as an assurance for the continued protection and care of the grave-yard, immediately connected, has long been felt. Etc Dennis Olympia, Wash **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

Below are nine Surhuisterveen Brethren marriages. These are not translated. The source is listed first, then the date, then the name of the husband, then the name of the wife, then comments. Seven of these couples were on the Ship Allen in 1729. Enjoy! In de Feanster periode werden negen huwelijken binnen de groep van Alexander Mack gesloten. Een en ander is te vinden in het Trouwregister van het Gerecht van Achtkarspelen. We hebben echter geen huwelijken tussen Feanster en Brethren kunnen vinden. We laten in het onderstaande de namen van die Brethren volgen: 1. Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen, 1721 DTB nr: 1, 1606 - 1725 Vermelding: Bevestiging huwelijk van 19 mei 1721 Man: Johan Juriens, Surhuisterveen Vrouw: Anna Catharina Kipping, Surhuisterveen 2. Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen DTB nr. 1, 1606 - 1725 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie van 22 februari 1723, Achtkarspelen Man: Wilhelmus Kuepper, Surhuisterveen Vrouw: Friene Bloem, Surhuisterveen 3. Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen DTB nr. 1, 1606 - 1725 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie van 28 februari 1724, Achtkarspelen Man: Jan Hendrix Kalckleser, Surhuisterveen Vrouw: Anna Lijs Laijen, Surhuisterveen [bron: Sebo H.Abels (Eexterzandvoort - 2005): Jan Hindrick Kalckleser [=John Henry Kalckloser] is in 1721 vermaner der Hoogduitse doopsgezinde gemeente te Groningen, en is samen met Alexander Mack eveneens vermaner bij de Brethern die zich tussen 1720 en 1729 te Surhuisterveen bevinden, afkomstig uit Schwarzenau in Zuid-Duitsland. Ze vertrekken in 1729 met het schip Allen naar Amerika en melden zich daar 11 september 1729. Hij trouwt met N.N. Hij hertrouwt 28 februari 1724 te Achtkarspelen (3e pr.) met Anna Lijs Laijen [=[?] Anna Catherine Lesle], ook afkomstig uit Schwarzenau, en tussen 1720 en 1729 wonende te Surhuisterveen, daarna naar Amerika; Kinderen van Jan Hindrick Kalckleser en N.N.: -1- [?] Christoffel Kalckleser [=Christopher Kalckloser] trouwt in 1729 met Maria Mackingh, -2- [?] Marie Kalckloser, -3- [?] Agnes Kalckloser, -4- [?] Immanuel Kalckloser, -5- [?] Jacob Kalckloser] [Jan Hendrix Kalckleser / John Henry Kalckloser en zijn vrouw Anna Lijs Laijen / Anna Catherine Lesle komen voor op de passagierslijst van het schip de 'Allen'] 4. Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen DTB nr. 1, 1606 - 1725 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie van 30 oktober 1724, Achtkarspelen Man: Jacob Bosser, Surhuisterveen Vrouw: Susanna Keijmen, Surhuisterveen [Jacob Bosser /Jacob Bossert komt voor op de passagierslijst van het schip de 'Allen'] 5. Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen DTB nr. 1, 1606 - 1725 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie van 26 februari 1725, Achtkarspelen Man: Joannes Mack, Surhuisterveen Vrouw: Joanna Margarita Suederen, Surhuisterveen [bron: Sebo H.Abels (Eexterzandvoort - 2005): Joannes Mack is mogelijk een zoon van Alexander Macken, te Schwarzenau, Groningen en Surhuisterveen, en N.N. Joannes maakt deel uit van de Brethern, afkomstig uit Schwarzenau. Hij verblijft tussen 1720 en 1729 te Surhuisterveen.] [Joannes Mack komt voor op de passagierslijst van het schip de 'Allen'] 6. Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen DTB nr. 1, 1606 - 1725 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie van 12 maart 1725, Achtkarspelen Man: Johannes Lodewijck Beinum, Surhuisterveen Vrouw: Anne Senebeecken, Surhuisterveen 7. Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen DTB nr. 1, 1606 - 1725 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie van 12 november 1725, Achtkarspelen Man: Christejaen Sneeder, Surhuisterveen Vrouw: Susanna Mackingh, Surhuisterveen [bron: Sebo H.Abels (Eexterzandvoort - 2005): Susanna Macking, mogelijk een dochter van Alexander Macken, vermaner van Schwarzenau, en N.N.] [Christejaen Sneeder / Cristian Schneider komt voor op de passagierslijst van het schip de 'Allen'] 8. Trouwregister Hervormde gemeente Surhuisterveen DTB nr. 27, 1688 - 1772 Vermelding: Bevestiging huwelijk van 10 maart 1726, Surhuisterveen Man: Hans Hoffer Vrouw: Catharina Hasse 9. Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen DTB nr. 1, 1606 - 1725 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie van 6 december 1728, Achtkarspelen Man: Christoffel Kalckleser, Surhuisterveen Vrouw: Maria Mackingh, Surhuisterveen [Christoffel Kalckleser / Christopher Kalckloser komt voor op de passagierslijst van het schip de 'Allen']

Don't know if this helps. I was on the Familysearch.org site and typed in Johannes Pettenkoffer. He is listed being from Ingolstadt, Oberbayen, Bayen, Germany. Nothing for the spelling Pethkoffer. There are several Beticofer/Bettekoffer in Ohio and Iowa. **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

Morning List, This should clarify and add a bit to the history of the Prairie View congregation of Kansas. Enjoy. >From Prairie View Church, Kan. The above new organization was begun June 25th, but for want of time was not completed until July 1st. It was effected under the careful management of Elders Enoch Eby and Lemuel Hillery. The name given this little body of believers we think a very appropriate one, as we indeed have a grand prairie view over the wide-spread plains of western Kansas. The above-named brethren held forth, in this vicinity, the plain and simple teachings of our blessed Master for one week. July 2nd, we were permitted to hold a very pleasant love-feast, by which, we think, all were strengthened in the precious faith once delivered unto the saints. Forty members communed. The best of order prevailed. It was the first communion of the kind ever witnessed by some of the people of this country. Elder Zaccheus Henricks, of Polo, Mo., was also with us. The following is a list of our official brethren: Elder, Enoch Eby, Hutchinson, Reno Co., Kansas. Ministers, Daniel Prough, Terryton, Finney Co., Kan.; John Holler, Scott, Scott Co., Kan.; Joshua P. Harshbarger (having just arrived from Texas has not located yet but expects to remain with us); George W. Armentrout, Dighton, Lane Co., Kan.; George Finkenbinder, Terryton, Finney Co., Kan. ; James Stover, Terryton, Finney Co., Kan. Two of the above-named ministers are in the second degree. Deacons, Jesse Thomas, Sutton, Lane Co., Kan.; Jacob Gauby, Terryton, Finney Co., Kansas. The main body of members of this organization, live in Finney and Scott counties, although there are several in Lane Co. We think we have good soil, good water, and good people. We get water at various depths, ranging from 25 to 100 feet. Relinquishments can yet be had at a small cost, ranging from $200 to $500. Scott, the county-seat of Scott Co., now has two railroads just completed. Any one wishing to get the particulars of our county should write to any of our brethren and we will gladly give you the same. There is still room for more and we welcome you among us. F. A. VANIMAN. Scott, Scott Co., Kan. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots

Johannes Pettenkoffer (his spelling) and three women by the same surname immigrated on the Ship Allen with the Alexander Mack party in 1729. Johannes Pettenkoffer was the person whose land was eventually used to build the old Brethren church in Germantown. His family removed to Ephrata in 1739. His wife (Br. Betticoffer Helpmate) died in 1748. He (Old Johan Bettekoffer) died in 1769. Three children(?) died later, their names being Elizabeth Betecoffer, Br. Isac Betecoffer, Br. and Br. John Betecoffer. This information is from Julius F. Sachse in an old 1890 article he published in the Pennsylvania Magazine. In an even older (c1770) publication, Morgan Edwards mentions Mrs. Pethcoffer, John Pethkoffer, and Isaac Pethcoffer as being members of the Ephrata Congregation in 1770. Does anyone on this list know anything about this family? Were the children celibate? Did the family name die out? I have not seen any mention of this family in the archives of this list. I'm looking for alternative spellings of the surname in order to do a research search. Dwayne Wrightsman

David Myers--I sense your frustration in efforts to locate where Alexander Mack's wife and daughter are buried. May I share this much from what I learned on a Brethren Heritage Trip that included Surhuisterveen and the locations of the Brethren in today's Germany? We visited a location a distance from the town of Surhuisterveen, perhaps east. It was there that a pool of water is still in existence that was used by the Brethren as a baptismal pool. This pond [called Kortewolde in BE p1241] was in a field with only one farm house located in the area, but some distance from the house. We were told this is where an old cemetery used to be located that is possibly the burial grounds for the Mack wife and daughter, as well as other Brethren who died in Friesland. Cemeteries do not exist as we know them here in the U.S., [although there are old cemeteries disappearing in this country also because the land is wanted for other purposes]. Land was too precious to be set aside for large cemeteries especially in the Netherlands where it is reclaimed from the ocean. It cannot be set aside for cemeteries for any long length of time. The stones from old cemeteries are removed and/or covered over and the ground used for farming again. There is a reference in the Brethren Encyclopedia Monograph Series, William R. Eberly, editor, number 3 Brethren Beginnings: the Origins of the Church of the Brethren in Early Eighteenth-Century Europe, Donald F. Durnbaugh, 1992. ISBN 0-936693-23-1, to Alexander Mack's wife and daughter dying on the way to Friesland, p. 58, third paragraph, first column. "(Mack's wife had died in September, 1720, possibly while the Wittgenstein group was underway to Friesland.). The reference for this is found on p. 80 #80. "July 14, 1727, Gemeinde Archiv, Schriesheim, Grundbuch B 301, f. 488. Mack, Jr., records his mother's death, followed within a week by a sister, Verzeichnis." Perhaps one of these may help you in your research. This area of Friesland was known for its peat bogs and the Brethren are said to have worked these peat bogs to make a living. It was not a good paying job and one of the reasons they possibly decided to emigrate to the US. While in Surhuisterveen the Brethren worshiped in a house across from the Waterlander Mennonite congregation. This congregation and building were still active when I was there. I believe it is always important to remember that times have certainly changed from 1979 and 2008 when it comes to researching. I certainly do not use the same methods and equipment to locate my material today that I did in 1979 when Willoughby's book was published. I have been very grateful for the research he was able to do on Alexander Mack and the Brethren in Europe. Thank you for the material which you have put on this website in the the original language related to your research on Surhuisterveen. It is always helpful to have the original language to work from as well. Jane Davis. > To: brethren@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:51:49 -0600> From: myerswd@juno.com> Subject: [BRE] Mack deaths in Surhuisterveen> > I was using this website of Dutch records and decided to look for the> deaths of Anna Margaret (Klingen) Mack and her daughter, Christina Mack,> both of whom are said to have died in 1720.> > > TRESOAR Frisian Historical and Literary Centre.> > http://www.tresoar.nl/bounce.html?ask_sam_doop.jsp?pagina=doop&stylesheet> =onderzoek.css&lang=en> > Database -- Tietjerksteradeel en Achtkarspelen.> > > I was not able to find either even though there are death records for> Surhuisterveen people in this database. And there are other cities in> the database that appear to be nearby so it isn't a case of them dying> close by but not in Surhuisterveen. There are four possibilities that I> can think of.> > 1. Anna Margaret and her daughter died in Surhuisterveen but were both> left out of the town records.> 2. They are in the original records but got left out of this particular> database.> 3. The Mack group lived in a different part of Holland before settling in> Surhuisterveen.> 4. The Mack group hadn't left Germany at the time that both Anna Margaret> and Christina died.> > This last two options are contradicted by Willoughby.> > "Counting the Cost" -- William G. Willoughby (1979):> > Page 151, Chronology --> 1720. April (?). AM sells his house to Christopher Sauer.> 1720. May (?). The New Baptists leave Schwarzenau for Holland.> 1720. June (?). The New Baptists arrive at Surhuisterveen in Friesland.> 1720. September. Anna Margaret Mack, AM's wife, and Christina, his> daughter, die within a week of each other.> > Of course, the problem is, if Willoughby didn't get the Mack deaths that> occurred in 1720 from town records, where did he get them? This is not> good. I'm beginning to think that a lot of his information came from> oral tradition and it may be that a lot of it needs to be questioned. > What a mess.> > David Myers> > P. S. Eureka! From pages 106-107 of Willoughby.> > "In September 1720 a double tragedy struck Mack and his community. His> dearly beloved wife of nineteen years died unexpectedly, (4) a tragedy> followed by the death of his six-year-old daughter, Christina, one week> later."> > Page 164.> "4. Durnbaugh, European Origins, p. 296. There is a tradition that Anna> Margaret died in Germany. 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I was using this website of Dutch records and decided to look for the deaths of Anna Margaret (Klingen) Mack and her daughter, Christina Mack, both of whom are said to have died in 1720. TRESOAR Frisian Historical and Literary Centre. http://www.tresoar.nl/bounce.html?ask_sam_doop.jsp?pagina=doop&stylesheet =onderzoek.css&lang=en Database -- Tietjerksteradeel en Achtkarspelen. I was not able to find either even though there are death records for Surhuisterveen people in this database. And there are other cities in the database that appear to be nearby so it isn't a case of them dying close by but not in Surhuisterveen. There are four possibilities that I can think of. 1. Anna Margaret and her daughter died in Surhuisterveen but were both left out of the town records. 2. They are in the original records but got left out of this particular database. 3. The Mack group lived in a different part of Holland before settling in Surhuisterveen. 4. The Mack group hadn't left Germany at the time that both Anna Margaret and Christina died. This last two options are contradicted by Willoughby. "Counting the Cost" -- William G. Willoughby (1979): Page 151, Chronology -- 1720. April (?). AM sells his house to Christopher Sauer. 1720. May (?). The New Baptists leave Schwarzenau for Holland. 1720. June (?). The New Baptists arrive at Surhuisterveen in Friesland. 1720. September. Anna Margaret Mack, AM's wife, and Christina, his daughter, die within a week of each other. Of course, the problem is, if Willoughby didn't get the Mack deaths that occurred in 1720 from town records, where did he get them? This is not good. I'm beginning to think that a lot of his information came from oral tradition and it may be that a lot of it needs to be questioned. What a mess. David Myers P. S. Eureka! From pages 106-107 of Willoughby. "In September 1720 a double tragedy struck Mack and his community. His dearly beloved wife of nineteen years died unexpectedly, (4) a tragedy followed by the death of his six-year-old daughter, Christina, one week later." Page 164. "4. Durnbaugh, European Origins, p. 296. There is a tradition that Anna Margaret died in Germany. The record in Alexander Mack's Bible indicates that she died in September 1720; whereas the Brethren left Schwarzenau before June 24, 1720."

Sorry about the way I originally posted this information. I had planned to include some explanation in the post itself and forgot to do this. I did the post this way to document the original material as much as is possible. The lack of such documentation in the Ankrum and Willoughby books makes it difficult to know where they got their information, a problem I wanted to avoid. Since I am not able to read Dutch, I can't transcribe the verbiage but I will include the marriage information that I recognize in brackets at the end of each part. I think this should make things about as clear as I am able to. David Myers ========================== TRESOAR Frisian Historical and Literary Centre http://www.tresoar.nl/bounce.html?ask_sam_doop.jsp?pagina=doop&stylesheet =onderzoek.css&lang=en Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1725 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 12 november 1725 Man : Christejaen Sneeder afkomstig van Surhuisterveen Vrouw : Susanna Mackingh afkomstig van Surhuisterveen Gestandaardiseerde namen: CHRISTIAAN en SUSANNA Bron: Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 Inventarisnr.: 1 Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar [Christejaen Sneeder of Surhuisterveen married Susanna Mackingh of Surhuisterveen, 12 november 1725.] ------------------------------ Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1728 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 6 december 1728 Man : Christoffel Kalckleser afkomstig van Surhuisterveen Vrouw : Maria Mackingh afkomstig van Surhuisterveen Gestandaardiseerde namen: CHRISTOFFEL en MARIA Bron: Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 Inventarisnr.: 1 Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar [Christoffel Kalckleser of Surhuisterveen married Maria Mackingh of Surhuisterveen, 6 december 1728.] ------------------------------------ Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1725 Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 26 februari 1725 Man : Joannes Mack afkomstig van Surhuisterveen Vrouw : Joanna Margarita Snederen afkomstig van Surhuisterveen Gestandaardiseerde namen: JOHANNES en JOHANNA Bron: Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 Inventarisnr.: 1 Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar [Joannes Mack of Surhuisterveen married Joanna Margarita Snederen of Surhuisterveen, 26 februari 1725.]

At 1:47 PM -0800 2/15/08, Wayne Lucore wrote: >Lee Ann, or anyone, I would be interested to know who were the >parents of Susan Replogle, second wife of Daniel Cripe, Jr. > These relationships get pretty tangled! My notes indicate her father was Peter REPLOGLE, 3 Apr 1785 - 12 Dec 1861, and her mother was Elizabeth SHIVELY, 5 Apr 1783 - 14 Dec 1865. Peter was a brother to Barbara Louisa REPLOGLE, the mother of Daniel CRIPE Jr, which makes him and Susan first cousins on the REPLOGLE side. In addition, Elizabeth SHIVELEY's mother was Susanna CRIPE, a sister to Daniel CRIPE Sr., which makes Daniel Jr. and Susan REPLOGLE first cousins once removed on the CRIPE side. Daniel Jr. and his first wife, Catherine OVERHOLSER, were second cousins one removed through both the Ulrich and Cripe lines. -- _________________ James Shuman jshuman@telis.org _________________

Lee Ann, or anyone, I would be interested to know who were the parents of Susan Replogle, second wife of Daniel Cripe, Jr. JGLAP@aol.com wrote: Hi, This Daniel Cripe Jr.is in my family. He was the son of Daniel (Greib) Cripe, Sr. b. 4-15-1752 In Bedford Co., Huntingdon, PA and Barbara Louisa Replogle b in Lancaster, PA and died in Montgomery Co. OH. Daniel Cripe Jr. wed both Catherine Overholser and Susan Replogle. Daniel Cripe Sr. is the son of Jacob Greib b. Aug 8, 1712 and Elizabeth Ulrich, daughter of Stephen Ulrich Sr. and Elizabeth Wagoner. Barbara Barbara Louisa Replogle is the daughter of Johannes Rinehart Reblogel, Sr. b. Dec 8, 1720 and Barbara Konig Hope this helps, Lee Ann Davis

Hi, This Daniel Cripe Jr.is in my family. He was the son of Daniel (Greib) Cripe, Sr. b. 4-15-1752 In Bedford Co., Huntingdon, PA and Barbara Louisa Replogle b in Lancaster, PA and died in Montgomery Co. OH. Daniel Cripe Jr. wed both Catherine Overholser and Susan Replogle. Daniel Cripe Sr. is the son of Jacob Greib b. Aug 8, 1712 and Elizabeth Ulrich, daughter of Stephen Ulrich Sr. and Elizabeth Wagoner. Barbara Barbara Louisa Replogle is the daughter of Johannes Rinehart Reblogel, Sr. b. Dec 8, 1720 and Barbara Konig Hope this helps, Lee Ann Davis **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

In a message dated 2/14/2008 10:34:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, eacgen@sbcglobal.net writes: Good evening to all, I'd like to pose a couple of questions about this Daniel Cripe and see if anyone might be able to assist me. >From what I have; Daniel was born 7/12/1785 in Huntingdon County, Pennsylvania to Daniel Cripe and barbara Replogle. Daniel married Catherine Overholser (1793-1834/1837) in Montgomery County, Ohio 8/23/1812. Does anyone know who the parents of this Catherine Overholser were? Robert (Bob) Longbottom **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

Parents of Catherine Overholser were Jacob Oberholser & Susannah Ulrich, I believe. Wayne Lucore Shorttop2@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/14/2008 10:34:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, eacgen@sbcglobal.net writes: Good evening to all, I'd like to pose a couple of questions about this Daniel Cripe and see if anyone might be able to assist me. >From what I have; Daniel was born 7/12/1785 in Huntingdon County, Pennsylvania to Daniel Cripe and barbara Replogle. Daniel married Catherine Overholser (1793-1834/1837) in Montgomery County, Ohio 8/23/1812. Does anyone know who the parents of this Catherine Overholser were? Robert (Bob) Longbottom

Wayne. Would you send me the Issue of the Gospel Messenger this was found in. Dennis In a message dated 2/14/2008 11:19:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, SpiWebb@aol.com writes: Afternoon List, Another one for those of you keeping track of material for any future updates to the BE. Add Charles Creek church to the Tennesee congregations. It was formed in 1886 Warren county by George C. Bowman with three ministers appointed by Elder Bowman in 1887. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

William Willoughby only claims two daughters for Alexander Mack. They are Anna Margaret who died in infancy and Christina born in 1714 and died in 1720. Could the other Mack women be the daughters of one of Mack's brothers. He was perhaps acting as guardian. Gunter Fillbrunn who is related to the Macks through Mack's mother has done extensive research on the family. He wrote me that he considered Johannes' wife to be a Schneider, that Suderein was an abreviation or a misspelling. Milton Cook _____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on online degrees and make up to $150K/ year. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nlXGNT1WijTQS4gPI0IYEhZlGL0YGmCd1Fhkc5gdZU9LOUg/

At 7:33 PM -0800 2/14/08, Eric Craig wrote: > 1. Did Daniel's first wife Catherine die in St. Joseph County, >Indiana and if so does anyone know her date of death and place of >burial? > 2. Does anyone know why Daniel may have moved to Wabash County, >Indiana and sold his holdings in St. Joseph County, Indiana? One >reason that I can surmise is there was a stronger Brethren presence >in Wabash County, Indiana in addition to Catherine's passing. > 3. Does anyone know where Daniel's second wife Susan died and also >if she remarried after Daniel's death? > > I don't have any direct ties to Daniel, but I am doing a >historical research of River Park a neighborhood in South Bend, >Indiana that covers much of the area that Daniel owned from the Land >Patents. Eriic, Daniel CRIPE Jr is my 6G Grandfather. According to "The Jacob Cripe Family" 1817-1900, published April 1970 by Gladys Royer: 1. Catherine died ca 1836 in St. Joseph Co, IN, and her burial was in "downtown Mishawaka," grave lost by 1929. 3. Susan Replogle CRIPE died 3 Dec 1878 in Cerro Gordo, IL and is buried there. 2. I don't know where one would find proof of why he moved, but your supposition that it was partly because of Catherine's death is a good one. His oldest son, David, had married in 1836 and settled a few miles south of North Manchester. Daniel still had several children in his home when Catherine died, including Susannah, b. 1823, John b. 1825, and Isaac b. 1833, so he would have needed to make some arrangements for their care. From marriage dates and locations, I would guess that his older children went to Clinton and Koskiusko Counties, probably into the homes of relatives or friends. -- _________________ James Shuman jshuman@telis.org _________________

To OhioWeaver: I believe that the information is what has been provided in the several emails that preceded the one you are referring to. Someone is kindly providing the original verbage for anyone who may want to view the original language themselves. John Shafer Oakton, VA> From: OhioWeaver@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:23:37 -0500> To: brethren@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BRE] Mack marriages in Surhuisterveen, Holland> > Sorry, I don't understand any language except English. Why doesn't someone > make this info readable?> > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)> > ------------------------> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> ------------------------> Support Our Sponsoring Agency> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com> ------------------------> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join

Good evening to all, I'd like to pose a couple of questions about this Daniel Cripe and see if anyone might be able to assist me. From what I have; Daniel was born 7/12/1785 in Huntingdon County, Pennsylvania to Daniel Cripe and barbara Replogle. Daniel married Catherine Overholser (1793-1834/1837) in Montgomery County, Ohio 8/23/1812. 6 of their children were born in Montgomery County, Ohio 1 child, Isaac D. is said to have been born in St. Joseph County, Indiana. Catherine is said to have died in St. Joseph County, Indiana between 1834 and 1837. Daniel had secured several Land Patents in St. Joseph County, Indiana between 1831 and 1834, accumulating over 600 acres. Daniel is listed in the 1840 Census as being in Wabash County, Indiana with his children. Daniel remarried to Susan Replogle (1806-1878) on 12/8/1847 in Wabash County, Indiana. Daniel and Susan finally sold his St. Joseph County, Indiana holdings in 1853, releasing the mortgage in 1863. Daniel died 5/22/1865 in Wabash County and is buried in the Old Cripe Cemetery in Pleasant Township, Wabash County, Indiana. Several of his children are buried here, but there is no evidence of either Catherine or Susan. After all of that, here are my questions that someone may be able to kindly answer: 1. Did Daniel's first wife Catherine die in St. Joseph County, Indiana and if so does anyone know her date of death and place of burial? 2. Does anyone know why Daniel may have moved to Wabash County, Indiana and sold his holdings in St. Joseph County, Indiana? One reason that I can surmise is there was a stronger Brethren presence in Wabash County, Indiana in addition to Catherine's passing. 3. Does anyone know where Daniel's second wife Susan died and also if she remarried after Daniel's death? I don't have any direct ties to Daniel, but I am doing a historical research of River Park a neighborhood in South Bend, Indiana that covers much of the area that Daniel owned from the Land Patents. Thanks so much for any assistance, Eric Craig

Joan Lavy's father-in-law Clarence Lavy was a brother to Alberta Lavy Sarver's father Orville. So Joan's husband, Marvin, would be a first cousin to Alberta Sarver. Lois Shuman, Educational Coordinator Department of Radiology Indiana University School of Medicine 550 N. University Blvd. Room 0641 Indianapolis, IN 46202-2879 Phone 317/278-2449 Fax 317/278-2803 lshuman@iupui.edu <<mailto:lshuman@iupui.edu>> Please Note: The preceding e-mail message (including any attachments) may contain information that may be confidential, protected by applicable legal privileges, or constitute non-public information. It is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick McGarry [mailto:hawkwind275@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:48 PM To: brethren-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Full obit for Joan Lavy please Patrick McGarry <hawkwind275@yahoo.com> wrote: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick McGarry <hawkwind275@yahoo.com> Subject: Full obit for Joan Lavy please To: ohmiami@rootsweb.com, ghoneyman@woh.rr.com, pegraham1@comcast.net If somebody can get me the full obit for (do not post on Brethren Listserv, as too contemporary I have learned from trying to send before): News Death Notice LAVY, Joan 69 of Arcanum, Tues., Feb. 5. Service 10am Sun. Painter Creek Old German Baptist Church. (Kreitzer Funeral Home, Arcanum) Published in the Dayton Daily News on 2/7/2008. that probably appear in the Greenville Daily Advocate, I would appreciate it please. Also anybody know hot directly connected to Alberta Lavy Sarver- would Joan been related to the Miller (Johann Mueller) family? THanks There is full obit today in both Troy and Piqua papers for Chester Deaton, that has some Flory's in it, as he was as well Old German Baptist. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.