If you google Mock Family Historian, you will find information about several Mock families with several spellings. Included in that site is extensive information on Alexander Mack, but there are many other families of Swiss and German background. In the Family Album section is a picture of Mock's Church. There is a short explanation concerning Christian Mock who gave it to the Brethren. His wife Mary Shearer was a member of Dunnings Creek Congregation of the Brethren. Christian apparently was not a member, nor is there any claim that he was related to Alexander Mack. His immigrant father was Peter Mock of MD. Milton Cook _____________________________________________________________ Career Problems? Go to Vocational School and increase your pay. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oLevypJQ4HWZquiSy4abj51xevMXxQlyUlhRX9gZ8tO4wRK/

Does anyone know anything about the Dunkards at Will's Creek? A relative sent me a copy from a webpage about the congregation; they never built a house of worship, and no record of members can be found. My Andrew Shaffer family lived there before moving to Cambria County. Anyone with more on Shaffers or Wills Creek, I'd be happy to hear from. Also, their son Levi and wife Catherine went to Black Hawk County, Iowa, where he helped establish Maple Grove Community, which migrated to Kasas, and there disbanded. Anyone know anything about this community? It sounds like it might have been a community patterned after the Early Church in the Book of Acts. (Levi & wife both died in Beatrice, NE, and are buried there. Anything on that congregation would be welcome, too.) Cordially, Wanda Barrett --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Wayne, THANKS for this important Centennial Sermon! For reference purposes, are you able to share the following: 1 What is the name of this "religious newspaper", and exactly on what date was it published and any other reference information such as the page number and who is the publisher? 2. Can you share the location of "Chapel of Normal College"? That is, what city and state? Jim > Afternoon, > > I thought some people might be interested in this article originally printed in 1887 in a religious newspaper. > > CENTENNIAL SERMON. > BY ELD. H. B. BRUMBAUGH. > In Chapel of Normal College, Sunday, Sept. 18, 1887. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using MidOhio.Net MailMan. http://www.midohio.net/

James, Thank you so much. I had some of this, but not all by any means. Roberta -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Shuman Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:04 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Surhuisterveen and other Dutch locations At 3:35 PM -0500 2/17/08, Roberta J. Estes wrote: >[snip] >What I'm really trying to understand here is twofold. Where was my >Michael Miller with his wife Susanna Berchtol during this time. I know >he was born in Steinwenden Germany in 1692 and his wife in Ohmback >Germany, and they died in Maryland, he in 1771. They were married in >Crottelbach Germany in 1714. I'm trying to understand his migration >pattern, where he was and what he was doing during different periods of his life. [snip] Quite a bit has been written about this Michael Miller (also known as Johann Michael Müller). He is my 6G grandfather. His father, Johann Michael Müller Sr, was born in Switzerland in 1655. He married about 1678 and moved to Germany about 1685, where he is listed as a member of the Steinwenden German Reformed Church. About 1693 he married a second time, and then in January 1695 he died, leaving his second wife with stepchild Johann Michael Jr, and perhaps other older siblings (for whom I have names but no birth/death information). Her second husband was Hans Jacob Stutzman, born about 1660. Through his own son's line, this man is my 8G grandfather. It does not appear that JMM was Brethren in Europe; in fact, there is a record of his baptism in the Reformed Church in Steinwenden on October 5, 1692. Godparents were Johann Michael Shoemaker, Hans Berchtol and wife. The oldest child of Johann Michael and his wife Susanna was baptized in the Reformed Church in 1715, indicating that at that time they were still adherents of the state church. I do not have records for any of the other children. Johann Michael Müller arrived in Philadelphia on October 2, 1727 on the ship Adventure Galley from Rotterdam, last from Plymouth, England, Capt. John Davies, accompanied by Jacob Berchtol, his wife's brother, Jacob Stutzman, his step-brother, and Hans Jacob Stutzman, his step-father. Johann Michael and his wife had seven children with them. Because some of the others are known Amish/Mennonites, and because some accounts include this statement, "They left Germany because of their opposition to military conscriptions of the times," it can be reasonably assumed that JMM had at least developed some anabaptist sympathies prior to arrival. JMM settled at Rapho Twp., Lancaster Co, PA. He moved to Hanover, York Co, PA 1744, to the Little Conewago Congregation, and lived in Washington Co, MD from 1745 until his death in 1771. At some point he became affiliated with the Brethren, perhaps prior to 1744 but I don't find a date for this. JMM's daughter Barbara, born in this country in 1733, married Johannes H. Garber in 1752. There is considerable information on Johann Michael Müller (Miller) and his descendants in an article by Wilbur Linder, published in Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists Newsletter, Vol. 20, No. 1, Spring, 1988. Also, see "Michael Miller of 1692" by Floyd R. Mason and Kathrin G. Mason, publ. 1986. Also, see the November 1997 issue of the Somerset Co, PA's "Laurel Messenger," p.334 for some Stutzman data. Most of my notes are from several years ago; I would be interested in what others have to contribute, or any corrections to the above. -- _________________ James Shuman jshuman@telis.org _________________ ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My uncle (married my mother's sister) was one of the Brethren Mocks from northern Bedford county, Pennsylvania. I cannot give you any more information about his family except to say that I am pretty sure his father's name was John. My uncle's siblings who I knew were John Elwood Mock, Helen Mock Metzler and Gladys Mock Shaner. This is not much, I realize, but I just had to add that I do know there were Brethren Mocks in Bedford county. ................................ Valerie A. Metzler, M. A., C. A. Valerie Metzler Archivist/Historian 114 Ruskin Drive Altoona, Pennsylvania 16602 814 940 0493 fax 940 0493 vmah@keyconn.net On 18.02.2008, at 17:18, KTompk7744@aol.com wrote: > My husband's mother is a descendant of William Mock (1836-1909) and > Sarah > Ellen Blackburn (1840-1918). William was a s/o John C Mock and > Annie Allison > of Bedford County, PA.. > > William fought in the Civil War and in some accounts is declared to > have > died in the war, but it wasn't our William; it was a cousin named > William Mock > who was killed in the Civil War. Our William was already married > at the time > he became a soldier and had at least two children. In the 1860 > census, he > and Sarah Ellen are living in St Clair Twp, Bedford Co.. William > is HOH but > is "farm labor," and the young family is living with 71-year-old Amos > Edwards, who is "farmer" though not HOH. (Sarah Ellen grew up in > St Clair Twp in > the household of Amos Edwards, but we have not found why. Her > census data > says she was born in "IA", which could mean Iowa or perhaps > Indiana, given the > date. We don't know who her parents were. We think Amos Edwards > and the > Blackburns were likely Quaker.) > > After William came home from the war, the family moved west. In > 1870 they > lived in Bureau County, IL, and 1880 they were in Henry Co. IL. > By 1900 > they had moved to Clay County, Nebraska. William and Sarah Ellen > had 13 > children. > > When we went to the Mock genealogy conference in Bedford, PA, > several years > ago, we were fortunate enough to be able to tour several of the > Mock and Mauk > sites, including the burial site of Peter Mock (1742-1817) and > Elizabeth > ?Sample? Mock, thought to be our emigrants. We also had Sunday > morning > services in the Mock Log Church and had a chance to tour the > cemetery there. I > have not tried (yet) to trace the ancestry of the Christian Mock > who donated > the land for the church site, but am inclined to think it is worth > investigating whether there is an unsuspected Brethren tie there > for our family, since > Christian and William were apparently in the same township in the > same county > at approximately the same time. > > Thanks for your response. > > Jan T > > . > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel- > campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams > mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Merle C Rummel >> John Fosher - Universalist? - where did you get that? >> > > Not the original poster, but one source is this > " Biographical & Historical Record of Putnam Co IN History. Chicago: Lewis > Publishing, 1887, p. 354 > JOHN FOSHER, farmer, section 24, Russell Township, was born in Preble > County, Ohio, March 22, 1822. His father ,John Fosher, was born in Franklin > County, Virginia, in 1786, and removed to Ohio in 1806. His mother Elizabeth > Landes, was a native of Pennsylvania. The parents removed to Russell > Township in > 1822, being the first settler on Ramp Creek. The creek was named by the > father, owing to the wonderful growth of ramps [wild onions] on its banks. > Mr. Fosher built the first cabin, flour and saw-mill on the creek. He also > built > a church, which he donated to all denominations, and he was one of the first > Universalists here." > It goes on to say that John Fosher the younger was an Universalist. > its hard for me to distinguish which John Fosher they are saying built the > first cabin and the union church. > > steven rowe > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My husband's mother is a descendant of William Mock (1836-1909) and Sarah Ellen Blackburn (1840-1918). William was a s/o John C Mock and Annie Allison of Bedford County, PA.. William fought in the Civil War and in some accounts is declared to have died in the war, but it wasn't our William; it was a cousin named William Mock who was killed in the Civil War. Our William was already married at the time he became a soldier and had at least two children. In the 1860 census, he and Sarah Ellen are living in St Clair Twp, Bedford Co.. William is HOH but is "farm labor," and the young family is living with 71-year-old Amos Edwards, who is "farmer" though not HOH. (Sarah Ellen grew up in St Clair Twp in the household of Amos Edwards, but we have not found why. Her census data says she was born in "IA", which could mean Iowa or perhaps Indiana, given the date. We don't know who her parents were. We think Amos Edwards and the Blackburns were likely Quaker.) After William came home from the war, the family moved west. In 1870 they lived in Bureau County, IL, and 1880 they were in Henry Co. IL. By 1900 they had moved to Clay County, Nebraska. William and Sarah Ellen had 13 children. When we went to the Mock genealogy conference in Bedford, PA, several years ago, we were fortunate enough to be able to tour several of the Mock and Mauk sites, including the burial site of Peter Mock (1742-1817) and Elizabeth ?Sample? Mock, thought to be our emigrants. We also had Sunday morning services in the Mock Log Church and had a chance to tour the cemetery there. I have not tried (yet) to trace the ancestry of the Christian Mock who donated the land for the church site, but am inclined to think it is worth investigating whether there is an unsuspected Brethren tie there for our family, since Christian and William were apparently in the same township in the same county at approximately the same time. Thanks for your response. Jan T . **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Re: Brethren Mocks I'm a descended of the Mocks of St. Clair & Union Townships in Bedford County, and I haven't run into any Brethren Mock's. I believe the Christian Mock that is buried at the Mock Log Church is likely from a different Mock line, or may even be a Mack. Not sure how it got the Mock name. An early history of Bedford County talks about the Brethren and this log church, and makes not connection to any Mocks. The Blackburn family lived in the St. Clair and Union Township area. I have a George Mock who married a Hannah Blackburn, and they had a son William Mock. But those Mock's are buried in a Methodist cemetery. I also have a William Mock who married a Sarah Ellen Blackburn. This William's father is buried in the Evangelical Cemetery, and his mother was an Allison, who was Scotch Irish and has distant ancestors buried in a local Quaker Cemetery. Bill Thomas

Afternoon, I thought some people might be interested in this article originally printed in 1887 in a religious newspaper. CENTENNIAL SERMON. BY ELD. H. B. BRUMBAUGH. In Chapel of Normal College, Sunday, Sept. 18, 1887. "And the rest of the acts of Hezekiah, and all his might, and how he made a pool, and a conduit, and brought water into the city, are they not written in the book of the Chronicles of the kings?"-2 Kings 20: 20. In all ages of the world the passing of time has been noted, and a record kept of the leading men and important events. The Old Testament Scriptures, taken as a whole, form a most important record of the world's history, thus bringing the past forward and connecting it with the present. These were kept as matters for reference, and on important occasions were read, and in this way the events of the past were brought before the minds of the people. Especially was this true of the kings and the leading men of the times. The reading of one of these records once saved the Jews from a terrible slaughter. After a sleepless night, King Ahasuerus commanded the records of the Chronicles to be brought and read before him, and it was there found that Mordecai, the Jew, had at one time saved his life from the hand of the assassin, and in his determination to suitably reward him, led to the discovery of Haman's wicked plot, that he had laid to destroy not only the innocent Mordecai, but with him the whole Jewish nation. On account of this most wonderful deliverance, it was ordained that the time should be kept as a yearly anniversary, that the remembrance of it should not perish from among their seed. The Passover was also kept among the Jews as a memorial service, or an anniversary of the deliverance from Egyptian bondage. As they celebrated these feasts they were reminded of the terrible condition into which sin led them, and of the miraculous manner by which they were delivered from the power of King Pharaoh, and had set before them the land of promise. Through the Bible we have handed down to us many instances of the gracious manner of God's dealing with his ancient people-all given to us for our instruction and encouragement. The reign of Hezekiah was an eventful one. He had done much for the good of his people and the prosperity of the nation. All the acts he did, and how he labored for the advancement and well-being of his people, were recorded in the book of the Chronicles, and, no doubt, were often read with great satisfaction by his people long after he slept with the fathers, Though dead, yet he lived in the good he left behind him. Since then many good men have lived and died, and the acts they did are found written in the book of the Chronicles. Kings and queens who have ruled and reigned to the joy of their subjects, yet live in the hearts of their people, and, as an evidence of the high esteem in which they were held, anniversaries are held to the honor of their names and reign. Nations that have been thus favored have held their jubilees and centennials as loving memorials of their humane benefactors. England has had her Jubilee, and America her Centennial, as indications of their gratitude for their national prosperity. Their records were written and read to the great joy of the respective nations. The Declaration of Independence, as signed in 1776, is regarded by our nation as a most precious document, and under the fostering care of the Government, whose Constitution was adopted in the year 1787, the centennial of which was celebrated in Philadelphia last week, we have grown to a great and prosperous nation, whose advantages and privileges are exceeded by no other nation under heaven. Thus kingdoms and nations have had their decades, their jubilees and their centennials. Their acts, developments, improvements, inventions and their causes of prosperity, are they not written in the book of Chronicles? These are events of the past, and with the past we leave them, to speak of the Centennial of our County, that our citizens expect to celebrate during the present week. On the 19th of September, 1778, the people of the North-eastern part of Bedford County presented a bill to the assembly then in session at Harrisburg, the Capital of the State, demanding the setting off of a new county. It met with some opposition, but was finally passed on the day following, September 10th. A part of the bill reads as follows: "Whereas it bath been represented to the general assembly of this State, by the inhabitants of that part of Bedford county which lies on the waters of the Frankstown branch of the Juniata, the lower part of the Raystown branch of the same, the Standing Stone Valley, part of Woodcock Valley, the waters of the Aughwick Creek, and others, the North-western parts of said county of Bedford, that they labor under great hardships from their distance from the present seat of justice, and the public offices of the said county now in the town of Bedford; for remedy whereof, be it enacted that all and singular the lands lying within the bounds and limits hereafter described and following, shall be, and are hereby enacted into a separate county by the name of Huntingdon County." It would be interesting to say something about the early settlers, their customs, hardships endured on ac-count of the sparseness of the settlement, the inconveniences met in a new country, and the ravages of the red man, who was ever on the alert for an opportunity to plunder and murder. But we leave this for the historian, and give more special attention to the religion of the country as advanced by the Brethren church. In the year 1708, in Schwartzenau, Germany, Alexander Mack, with a number of others, becoming dissatisfied with the corruptions practiced in the prevailing churches, took to a careful searching of the Scriptures, and, after much prayer and fasting, they determined to form themselves into a new organization, accepting the Scriptures alone as their rule of faith and practice. As a result of this step persecution soon followed, and that they might enjoy the liberty of worshiping God in harmony with his revealed will and in peace, they commenced emigrating to America. In 1719, some of the Brethren, as they then called themselves, came over, but the church was not fully organized until the year 1729, when Alexander Mack and family, and others, amounting to twenty-six in all, carne across the ocean. The first settlement was made in Germantown, where the first church-house was built by the Brethren in America, which is still standing as a living record of the zeal and enterprise of the infant church. On the arrival of the nicks and this additional membership, the church became imbued with new life, and commenced enlarging her borders, spreading with the tide of civilization southward, northward and westward, until the year 1802, when this county was yet a wilderness, with an occasional settlement in the best valleys and along the streams, an organization was effected in the Aughwick Valley, Huntingdon County. The number of persons was small, being only six in all, namely, Christian Long and wife, Daniel Secrist and wife, and Peter Secrist and wife, Christian Long was the minister, and Daniel Secrist the deacon. On account of Eld. Long not being able to speak the English, and the few settlers in the county, the growth of the church, at first, was slow. Some time after this, Jacob Lutz was called to the ministry, and he being able to speak the English, the church grew more rapidly, and its growth continued until it became the leading denomination in the valley, having quite a large membership. In later years, however, its membership was greatly diminished through emigration farther west, and into the western States, in most of which this church is largely represented. This church is especially noted for the large number of ministers it elected and sent out. The following is a list we have made, giving the date of their election: Peter Long, 1826; Andrew Spanogle and John King, 1827; Michael Bollinger, 1832; Grabil Myers and Christian Long, 1839; John G. Glock, 1842; John Spanogle, 1844; Abram Funck, 1847; Enoch Eby, 1853; George Myers, 1853; James R. Lane, 1858; P. L. Swane, 1861; Isaac Book and John B. Garver, 1869; Robert Wakefield, 1872; Seth Myers, 1874; Wm. L. Spanogle, 1877. Since then, Thomas Chilcott, John B. Shope and J. E. McEntire. Many of these are now sleeping with the fathers, while others are laboring in other fields. Of late years the field of this church has been considerably enlarged, embracing Aughwick Valley, Hill Valley, Hare's Valley and Black Log Valley, where there are good congregations and good church houses. The present membership is about 250, with James R. Lane, Seth Myers, Robert Wakefield, John B. Shope, and J. E. McEntire as ministers. As we have no record of the James Creek church, we are not able to give the date of the first settling of members there, it formerly being a part of the Clover Creek congregation, then of this county, but now of Blair. We name as the first ministers, John Shinefelt, Christian Hoover, John Martin and George Brumbaugh. In the year 1858, the members residing east of Tussey's Mountain were formed into a separate congregation, and named James Creek, after a creek running close by where the first church-house is built. The ministry, at the time of organization, was Eld. Isaac and George Brumbaugh. In the year 1863, G. B. and H. B. Brumbaugh were called, they being the only ministers elected by this church. In the year 1871, Eld. Isaac Brumbaugh died, and George Brumbaugh was ordained to the eldership, and at this time has charge of the church, assisted by G. B. Brumbaugh. The ministry of this church was greatly blessed, and from time to time many were gathered into the fold. It now has a membership of about 170, and three good church-houses, one at James Creek (Brumbaugh's Crossing), one at Entriken, and the other near the Raystown branch. Not having the statistics of the Warrior's Mark church, we are unable to give much of its history. Neither can we give the name of its founder, or the date of its organization. It is located in the extreme western part of the county, and its only church-house is at Spring Mount, a small village near the town of Warrior's Mark, and was built in the year 1857. Jacob Beck, Graybil Myers, H. R. Holsinger and Wm. Quin were its former ministers. At present the ministry consists of Eld. S. M. Cox, S. S. Gray and John Law. Its membership is about 75. The Huntingdon church is the latest organized in the county. The first regular preaching was held in a room furnished in the building on 14th & Washington Street, then used as the publishing house of the Pilgrim, a church paper which, after two consolidations, has been merged into the Gospel Messenger. The room was comfortably furnished, seated about 150 persons, and was dedicated to the worship of God on June 20th, 1875. Eld. P. S. Myers, of the Spring Run church, preached the dedicatory sermon. From this date regular services were held each Sabbath by H. B. Brumbaugh, until the fall of 1876, when, at the consolidation of the Pilgrim and Primitive Christian, Eld. James Quinter located at this place, and in 1878 the church was regularly organized, with Eld. Quinter as the bishop, and a local membership of twelve. At first the congregations were quite small, but gradually increased until the little chapel was well filled. The Word preached was accepted and blessed of the Lord, and a number were added to the church during the first year of its existence. The additions, each year, up to the present, are as follows: In 1876, nine; 1877, fourteen; 1878, seven; 1879, thirteen; 1880, six; 1881, three; 1882, five; 1883, sixteen; 1884, four ;1885, eighteen; 1886, seven; 1887, four. On the 17th of April, 1876, the Brethren's Normal School was opened by Prof. J. M. Zook, in the same building, and the religious services connected with the school were held in this chapel. We name this in this connection because it became part of the church's work, and the persons added were largely students of the school, who have gone from us to labor in other fields, some as ministers, and others as zealous Christian workers, to service for the Master wherever found. Soon after the organization of this church, a small number of members, located some five miles east of this place, belonging to the Aughwick congregation, were given to this charge, and now form part of its membership. They have preaching on the first and third Sunday of each month, at Sugar Grove and Ardenheim alternately. Our present membership is 68, Eld. James Quinter, H. B. Brumbaugh and W. J. Swigart being the ministers. Bro. Swigart commenced his labors in the ministry in this church in the year 1879. Had we the time, we would gladly give a number of interesting events connected with the origin and growth of this church, but for the present must forbear. We have now given a hastily-sketched history of the Brethren church within the limits of Huntingdon county during the present century. And, though very incomplete, on account of the shortness of the time given to its preparation, and a lack of the necessary records, yet we hope that it may not be altogether without interest, especially to such as may read it in the book of Chronicles at the next Centennial. We now conclude by referring to a few incidents connected with "ye olden- times," connected with aged brethren who long ago went to their reward. It always has been a source of real pleasure to us to sit with the aged and hear them rehearse their experiences. Some of these rehearsals pass vividly before us now, and seem as if heard only a few years ago. The last visit we made to our much-esteemed elder, Grabil Myers, a former minister of the Aughwick church, but now located at Eldorado, Pa., in speaking of the changes that are constantly occurring "through the force of circumstances," as he puts it, in regard to customs, modes of living, etc., the related one about his father. HIe was a very large and lusty man, and, as it was the custom in those days, to go to church on horse-back, it was so inconvenient for him to thus ride that he concluded to get for himself a one-horse Dearborn. Though it was without springs, and very plain in construction, yet it was a new thing for the times. He got one, however, and was satisfied with its suitableness for his purpose. But imagine his disappointment when, at the next church meeting, he was brought before the council for riding in a fashionable wagon. The decision was that he should put it away. Where he put it we are not informed. And, as strange as the action may appear to us, who seem to have no scruples about going to church in the most finely ornamented spring carriages, yet the underlying principle we are trying to retain, and should never lose sight of, to draw the brakes on the spirit of pride and extravagance. Eld. Andrew Spanogle, Sr., was a man of more than ordinary ability in his day, and, to use the common expression, "was as bold as a lion." He was an eloquent preacher and a free conversationalist with no lack of native-born wit, and when thrown into the company of ministers of other denominations, it was a common thing to drift into a discussion on their differences of faith and practice. One Sunday afternoon he was riding along in company with a Presbyterian minister, and, as they came to the ford of the Aughwick Creek, they were in the midst of a heated discussion on baptism. And as, while crossing, Eld. Spanogle was pressing his views on immersion, the Presbyterian minister some-what impatiently remarked, "It is all right for ducks to strike for the water, but I prefer to keep out of it as much as possible." Just as the last word was uttered, his horse stumbled, and he fell headlong into the creek, being completely immersed before he was able to regain his feet. As he looked up at his companion, Eld. Spanogle, with a smile on his face, said, "Why, my dear brother, you seem to take to the water quite as freely as I do." This ended the discussion. Eld. McNealy was the pioneer preacher of this and some of the more western counties. He was an Irish-man by birth, of the homespun order, always traveled to his appointments on foot, and carried with him his ever trusty flintlock rifle. This he would stand behind the log cabin or school-house door while preaching. As he was non-resistant in principle, of course he did not use his rifle to kill Indians, but to protect himself against the ravages of bears and wolves, which were abundant in those days. What he did when a fine buck or doe came in his way, our historian does not tell us. In hearing of the customs and experiences of our ancient brethren, we are apt to think of them as being old fogies, and away behind the times. This, however, is a mistake, as they were neither. Many of them were men of ability and mighty in the Scriptures, and stood head and shoulders with other ministers of their day. If they did not have much classical culture, they were filled with the Spirit and a knowledge of the truth. With simple boldness they preached the Word in power and with effect, and, though arrayed in the humble garb of the backwoodsman, under their sermons sinners were convicted of sin and converted to God. They lived, walked and preached as men among men. Among the trees, in the log cabins, in the upper rooms and barn floors, the gospel was preached with as much real eloquence, and received with as much gladness of heart as it is now given and received in our grandest churches and cathedrals. If all the acts they did, the long journeys on foot and horseback made, the sacrifices endured, the perils met in lonely by-ways and mountain paths, were written in a book of Chronicles we would have much to interest and instruct and to thank God for,-that in the early days of the present century such men lived as the Longs, Hoovers, Myers, Spanogles, Brumbaughs, Bollingers, Glocks, and many other valiant soldiers of the cross that we might name. As we have presented before us the almost innumerable disadvantages under which our forefathers lived and labored, the sacrifices made and the hardships endured, and then look at what we now have and enjoy, how great are our responsibilities, and how grateful we should be to our Heavenly Father that it is our lot to live in this day of peace, prosperity and spiritual abundance and advantages! Let us so live, and so labor in the vineyard of the Lord that generations yet unborn may rise up in their day and thank God that we lived. May our acts and deeds we do, be written by the Recording Angels of heaven, in the Father's Book of Chronicles, so that when they are read, the King of kings may say of us, "What good thing shall be done for those whom the Lord delighteth to honor?" <end of item> Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots

I'm much interested in your comment about the Blackburns, Irish Quakers who moved from Bedford County PA to Black Hawk IA. Please contact me off-list about these folks. My Blackburn brickwall grew up in Bedford County but in each census she is identified as being born in "IA". She was raised by Amos Edwards, not any Blackburns, and she married William Mock of Bedford County, PA. I think these Mocks had a Brethren link, since one of them donated the land for the Mock Log Church, which is Brethren. Perhaps we have something to share. Jan T **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

He's the son of Samuel and Hanna (Rhoads) Hunsaker Duncan Morrow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Elizabeth Stump" <liztuc@sbcglobal.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Muhlenberg, Ky, Adams Co. ILL > Does anyone know the father of this Andrew Hunsaker who moved to Illinois? He may very well have been the son of George Hunsaker, one of the heirs in Francis Stump;'s will of 1801 in Muhlenberg Co. KY. Appreciate any comments. > > Liz Stump > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Merle C Rummel <cliff@rtkonline.com> > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:51:23 AM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Muhlenberg, Ky, Adams Co. ILL > > This pretty well matches the dates of movement of George Wolfe Jr - I > wasn't aware of the Hunsakers going to Union Co IL that early. > > Merle C Rummel > > > > > > The Gospel Messenger May 6, 1890 page 286 > > HUNSAKER. In the Mill Creek congregation, Adams County, Ill., April 9, Bro. > > Andrew Hunsaker, aged 85 years, 1 month and 1 day. > > Deceased was born in Muhlenberg County, Kentucky, in 1806. He moved to Union > > County, Ill., in 1813, and to Adams County, of the same state, in 1829, > > where he lived till his death. He was married to Nancy Stockton in 1832; untied > > with the church of the Brethren about 1843. He served in the of deacon for > > over forty years, and was a Christian in the fullest since of the word. His wife > > and two children preceded him to the spirit land. Three children are left to > > mourn the loss of a kind and loving father. Funeral services by W. R. > > Lirely. B. F. Britt. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 2/18/2008 8:38:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cliff@rtkonline.com writes: >John Fosher - Universalist? - where did you get that? Not the original poster, but one source is this " Biographical & Historical Record of Putnam Co IN History. Chicago: Lewis Publishing, 1887, p. 354 JOHN FOSHER, farmer, section 24, Russell Township, was born in Preble County, Ohio, March 22, 1822. His father ,John Fosher, was born in Franklin County, Virginia, in 1786, and removed to Ohio in 1806. His mother Elizabeth Landes, was a native of Pennsylvania. The parents removed to Russell Township in 1822, being the first settler on Ramp Creek. The creek was named by the father, owing to the wonderful growth of ramps [wild onions] on its banks. Mr. Fosher built the first cabin, flour and saw-mill on the creek. He also built a church, which he donated to all denominations, and he was one of the first Universalists here." It goes on to say that John Fosher the younger was an Universalist. its hard for me to distinguish which John Fosher they are saying built the first cabin and the union church. steven rowe **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

This pretty well matches the dates of movement of George Wolfe Jr - I wasn't aware of the Hunsakers going to Union Co IL that early. Merle C Rummel > > The Gospel Messenger May 6, 1890 page 286 > HUNSAKER. In the Mill Creek congregation, Adams County, Ill., April 9, Bro. > Andrew Hunsaker, aged 85 years, 1 month and 1 day. > Deceased was born in Muhlenberg County, Kentucky, in 1806. He moved to Union > County, Ill., in 1813, and to Adams County, of the same state, in 1829, > where he lived till his death. He was married to Nancy Stockton in 1832; untied > with the church of the Brethren about 1843. He served in the of deacon for > over forty years, and was a Christian in the fullest since of the word. His wife > and two children preceded him to the spirit land. Three children are left to > mourn the loss of a kind and loving father. Funeral services by W. R. > Lirely. B. F. Britt. > > > >

amore - proximity - basically the same thing - I have some family stories about that, too, like my gr grandfather! John Fosher - Universalist? - where did you get that? - his father was Daniel Fosher, one of the Four Mile families - Whitewater meetinghouse - over by the Whitewater River, northwest of of Liberty IN, north of Brownsville -about 12 miles from the Upper Four Mile Church. (The early road from Dayton to John Conner's Trading Post [now Connersville IN] came through Boston [where I live] and went through Brownsville - we don't know where it cut across country! -but somewhere close to the Foshers.) I only had their Four Mile connection. John's sisters, Susannah, married Joseph Pagin (Frenchman -from Fort Kaskaskia IL), and Anna, married a William Stanton, and both went to LaPorte Co IN - where Tobias Miller went in 1833 and is named as the first Universalist Preacher (we had a considerable migration out of the Four Mile after the Cholera Epidemic of 1831-32), - now I better check to see if there is any information on their religious preference! Only one of Daniel's children remained here (Matthias - I've identified his residence over there at the Whitewater) -I didn't consider it before, but it was only a few miles from the Universalist Center at Philomath (Delaware Indian Road -where they published the "Western Star" - before they moved it down to Cincinnati). There is no Universalist Church around the Whitewater Church area, now. Emmert said that he was going to Florida, and wouldn't be responding to e-mails for a while - I now suspect that meant -during the winter! No one else has responded about the names - "Wine" was a Brethren Elder name - but I don't know which one, I do not recognize "Boenin" - c1830. Merle C Rummel > I also liked Gale's theory of amore! > > William R. Smith lived next door to John Fosher in > Putnam County, IN, and Fosher was one of the first > Universalists there. Last fall we drove through > Fincastle, IN, and saw the Universalist church which > was built there, I believe in the 1870s. > > Did you ever hear back from Emmert--you were trying to > find out more information on Brethren Bonen and > Wine--the two elders who heard the dispute and had Wm > R. removed as pastor?

Andrew Hunsaker if age shown at death is correct, was born 8 Mar 1805, d 9 apr 1890. My files show he was one of 11 ch of Samuel Hunsaker b 1777 Cumberland Co, PA, d 1864 Adams Co, IL & Hannah Rhoades b. 1786 Somerset Co, PA and d. 1854 Adams Co, PA. Wayne Lucore Mary Elizabeth Stump <liztuc@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Does anyone know the father of this Andrew Hunsaker who moved to Illinois? He may very well have been the son of George Hunsaker, one of the heirs in Francis Stump;'s will of 1801 in Muhlenberg Co. KY. Appreciate any comments. Liz Stump ----- Original Message ---- From: Merle C Rummel To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:51:23 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Muhlenberg, Ky, Adams Co. ILL This pretty well matches the dates of movement of George Wolfe Jr - I wasn't aware of the Hunsakers going to Union Co IL that early. Merle C Rummel > > The Gospel Messenger May 6, 1890 page 286 > HUNSAKER. In the Mill Creek congregation, Adams County, Ill., April 9, Bro. > Andrew Hunsaker, aged 85 years, 1 month and 1 day. > Deceased was born in Muhlenberg County, Kentucky, in 1806. He moved to Union > County, Ill., in 1813, and to Adams County, of the same state, in 1829, > where he lived till his death. He was married to Nancy Stockton in 1832; untied > with the church of the Brethren about 1843. He served in the of deacon for > over forty years, and was a Christian in the fullest since of the word. His wife > and two children preceded him to the spirit land. Three children are left to > mourn the loss of a kind and loving father. Funeral services by W. R. > Lirely. B. F. Britt. > >

David, This is wonderful work that you have done. Your research is careful and methodical and has added much to what we know about the Surhuisterveen Brethren marriages. You have now added two more marriages to the ones that we knew about previously. I would like to comment on some of the marriages on your list. The May 19, 1721, marriage of John Juriens and Anna Catherine Kipping was (despite the terminology) a three proclamation marriage. Durnbaugh, in his 1958 book, European Origins of the Brethren, page 293, writes that the first proclamation was April 28, 1721; the second proclamation was May 5, 1721; and the third was May 19, 1721. Thus you seem to be correct in saying that this marriage was "placed in the wrong category." By the way, John Juriens was John George Koch. He and his wife Anna Catherine nee Kipping came over on the Ship Allen in 1729. One new marriage that you found is the May 3, 1728, marriage of Johannes Gondy of Surhuisterveen. This is the Hans Gunde whose signature (in his hand) appears in Lists B and C of the Ship Allen of 1729. Hans did not arrive in Philadelphia with a wife, so either she died at sea or didn't come over with him. She was not from Surhuisterveen which might have been a factor. The second new marriage that you found is the January 12, 1727, marriage between two names with which I am unfamiliar. Only the bride was from Surhuisterveen, the husband from Joure. They were not on the Ship Allen. The marriage which is on my list of nine that you do not have on your list of ten is the March 10, 1726, marriage between Hans Hoffer and Catharina Hasse. It might be from a different data base than the one you used. Did you look at "Trouwregister Hervormde gemeente Surhuisterveen, 1688-1772." All the others on my list of nine were from "Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen, 1606-1725." My list of nine seems to have been prepared by someone representing a Dutch Mennonite Church that runs the website where I got my information. This couple did not come over on the Ship Allen. If we combine your list of ten (two on your list not on mine) with my list of nine (one on my list not on yours) we end up with a list of eleven marriages, eight of which were marriages of Brethren who came over on the Ship Allen in 1729. I am especially pleased about your finding the Hans Gunde marriage, which can now be added to those of the other seven Brethren couples who were on the Allen. Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:15 PM Subject: [BRE] Third proclamation marriages in Surhuisterveen, 1720-1729 > In going through the marriages at the Dutch website, it seemed to me that > the marriages that we know are Brethren through Willoughby's book (see > separate post) were all listed as Derde proclamatie -- Third proclamation > -- and that almost all of the rest were listed as Bevestiging huwelijk -- > Confirmation of marriage (with one exception). I don't know for sure but > I would bet that, despite Holland's liberal attitude towards religious > practice, the country still had a state religion at that time, probably > Dutch Reformed. The Dutch website has the following. > > "In 1811 the 'Burgerlijke Stand', the Registry of Births, Deaths and > Marriages was introduced in the Netherlands. People searching for > personal information dating prior to 1812 will have to rely on other > sources, such as church registers." > > I would guess that Derde proclamatie is the listing given to a > nonconformist marriage that was recorded in the Dutch Reformed Church's > books. I wanted to look up other nonconformist marriages -- like > Mennonites -- but I didn't have any names to work with at the time. In > going through "Counting the Cost" today, I noticed that Wopke Rommerts is > listed as a Mennonite lay preacher on page 106. I vaguely remember > seeing that name in the Dutch database so I will have to look for him to > confirm my suspicions. > > I used the following search terms for what I was looking for. > > Derde proclamatie, Surhuisterveen > > This should have given me all of the Derde proclamatie marriages that had > Surhuisterveen mentioned somewhere in the record. There were 91 such > marriages, with nine occurring in the 1720-1729 time period. The one > apparent exception (mentioned above) for the Brethren marriages is the > marriage of Johan Juriens and Anna Catharina Kipping. I don't know what > happened with that one. It may have been placed in the wrong category > when the Dutch website was indexed. > > The nine (plus one) follow, in chronological order. > > > > Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1721 > Vermelding: Bevestiging huwelijk op 19 mei 1721 > Man : Johan Juriens afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > Vrouw : Anna Catharina Kipping afkomstig van > Surhuisterveen > > Gestandaardiseerde namen: JOHANNES JURJENS en ANTJE > > Bron: > Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) > Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 > Inventarisnr.: 1 > Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar > > [Johan Juriens coming from Surhuisterveen married Anna Catharina Kipping > coming from Surhuisterveen, 19 May 1721.] > -------------------------- > > Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1723 > Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 22 februari 1723 > Man : Wilhelmus Knepper afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > Vrouw : Friene Bloem afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > > Gestandaardiseerde namen: WILLEM en VERENA > > Bron: > Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) > Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 > Inventarisnr.: 1 > Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar > > [Wilhelmus Knepper coming from Surhuisterveen married Friene Bloem coming > from Surhuisterveen, 22 Feb 1723.] > ----------------------------- > > Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1724 > Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 28 februari 1724 > Man : Jan Hendrix Kalckleser afkomstig van > Surhuisterveen > Vrouw : Anna Lys Layen afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > > Gestandaardiseerde namen: JAN HENDRIKS en ANTJE > > Bron: > Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) > Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 > Inventarisnr.: 1 > Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar > > [Jan Hendrix Kalckleser coming from Surhuisterveen married Anna Lys Layen > coming from Surhuisterveen, 28 Feb 1724.] > ------------------------------ > > Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1724 > Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 30 oktober 1724 > Man : Jacob Bosser afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > Vrouw : Susanna Keymen afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > > Gestandaardiseerde namen: JAKOB en SUSANNA > > Bron: > Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) > Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 > Inventarisnr.: 1 > Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar > > > [Jacob Bosser coming from Surhuisterveen married Susanna Keymen coming > from Surhuisterveen, 30 Oct 1724.] > ---------------------------- > > Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1725 > Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 26 februari 1725 > Man : Joannes Mack afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > Vrouw : Joanna Margarita Snederen afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > > Gestandaardiseerde namen: JOHANNES en JOHANNA > > Bron: > Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) > Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 > Inventarisnr.: 1 > Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar > > [Joannes Mack coming from Surhuisterveen married Joanna Margarita > Snederen coming from Surhuisterveen, 26 Feb 1725.] > -------------------------- > > Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1725 > Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 12 maart 1725 > Man : Johannes Lodewijck Beinum afkomstig van > Surhuisterveen > Vrouw : Anne Senebeecken afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > > Gestandaardiseerde namen: JOHANNES en ANTJE > > Bron: > Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) > Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 > Inventarisnr.: 1 > Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar > > [Johannes Lodewijck Beinum coming from Surhuisterveen married Anne > Senebeecken coming from Surhuisterveen, 12 Mar 1725.] > -------------------------- > > Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1725 > Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 12 november 1725 > Man : Christejaen Sneeder afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > Vrouw : Susanna Mackingh afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > > Gestandaardiseerde namen: CHRISTIAAN en SUSANNA > > Bron: > Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) > Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 > Inventarisnr.: 1 > Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar > > [Christejaen Sneeder coming from Surhuisterveen married Susanna Mackingh > coming from Surhuisterveen, 12 Nov 1725.] > ------------------------- > > Haskerland, huwelijken 1727 > Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 12 januari 1727 in Joure > Man : Auke Obbes afkomstig van Joure > Vrouw : Antje Bouwes afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > Opmerking : getrouwd te Joure > > Gestandaardiseerde namen: AUKE OBBES en ANTJE BOUWES > > Bron: > Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) > Trouwregister Hervormde gemeente Joure Westermeer Snikzwaag > 1637-1744 > Inventarisnr.: 360 > Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar > > [Auke Obbes coming from Joure married Antje Bouwes coming from > Surhuisterveen, 12 Jan 1727.] > --------------------------------- > > Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1728 > Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 3 mei 1728 > Man : Joannes Gondy afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > Vrouw : Aeltie Rickes afkomstig van Sapmeer > > Gestandaardiseerde namen: JOHANNES en AALTJE RIJKS > > Bron: > Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) > Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 > Inventarisnr.: 1 > Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar > > [Joannes Gondy coming from Surhuisterveen married Aeltie Rickes coming > from Sapmeer, 3 May 1728.] > ---------------------------- > > Achtkarspelen, huwelijken 1728 > Vermelding: Derde proclamatie op 6 december 1728 > Man : Christoffel Kalckleser afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > Vrouw : Maria Mackingh afkomstig van Surhuisterveen > > Gestandaardiseerde namen: CHRISTOFFEL en MARIA > > Bron: > Collectie Doop-, Trouw-, Begraaf- en Lidmatenboeken(DTBL) > Trouwregister Gerecht Achtkarspelen 1606-1725 > Inventarisnr.: 1 > Op microfiche beschikbaar op de studiezaal van Tresoar > > [Christoffel Kalckleser coming from Surhuisterveen married Maria Mackingh > coming from Surhuisterveen, 6 Dec 1728.]

Does anyone know the father of this Andrew Hunsaker who moved to Illinois? He may very well have been the son of George Hunsaker, one of the heirs in Francis Stump;'s will of 1801 in Muhlenberg Co. KY. Appreciate any comments. Liz Stump ----- Original Message ---- From: Merle C Rummel <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:51:23 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Muhlenberg, Ky, Adams Co. ILL This pretty well matches the dates of movement of George Wolfe Jr - I wasn't aware of the Hunsakers going to Union Co IL that early. Merle C Rummel > > The Gospel Messenger May 6, 1890 page 286 > HUNSAKER. In the Mill Creek congregation, Adams County, Ill., April 9, Bro. > Andrew Hunsaker, aged 85 years, 1 month and 1 day. > Deceased was born in Muhlenberg County, Kentucky, in 1806. He moved to Union > County, Ill., in 1813, and to Adams County, of the same state, in 1829, > where he lived till his death. He was married to Nancy Stockton in 1832; untied > with the church of the Brethren about 1843. He served in the of deacon for > over forty years, and was a Christian in the fullest since of the word. His wife > and two children preceded him to the spirit land. Three children are left to > mourn the loss of a kind and loving father. Funeral services by W. R. > Lirely. B. F. Britt. > > > > ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is for those people how are interested in the movement from the Muhlenberg Co, Church to Adams Co. ILL Dennis Olympia, Wash The Gospel Messenger May 6, 1890 page 286 HUNSAKER. In the Mill Creek congregation, Adams County, Ill., April 9, Bro. Andrew Hunsaker, aged 85 years, 1 month and 1 day. Deceased was born in Muhlenberg County, Kentucky, in 1806. He moved to Union County, Ill., in 1813, and to Adams County, of the same state, in 1829, where he lived till his death. He was married to Nancy Stockton in 1832; untied with the church of the Brethren about 1843. He served in the of deacon for over forty years, and was a Christian in the fullest since of the word. His wife and two children preceded him to the spirit land. Three children are left to mourn the loss of a kind and loving father. Funeral services by W. R. Lirely. B. F. Britt. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Roberta, My question back to you is whether you think your Berchtol family is the same as the Bechtel/Bachtel families. Many of the Bechtel/Bachtel families were Mennonite, some living in Berks County, Pennsylvania. Others later became Brethren, one daughter marrying Jacob Danner, a noted Brethren leader. Some went to Washington County, Maryland, and Somerset County, Pennsylvania, with many of their descendents becoming Brethren. Dwayne's response to you about any Brethren left in Europe is accurate. However, I think memories survive in families for multiple generations, and someone who may have been exposed to Anabaptist/Pietist influences in Europe might be attracted to a community of like minded (or even related) people in America. John Shafer Oakton, VA > From: restes@comcast.net > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:35:37 -0500 > Subject: [BRE] Surhuisterveen and other Dutch locations > > I'm sorry to be so ignorant as to have to ask this question, but here goes > anyway. I know the Brethren were in Holland from the perioid of about 1720 > to 1728. Did they stay together in one group and is this the location where > they all were? Did all of the Brethren come to the US or did a remnant > church (some might say a mother church) stay there in Holland? If they did > all come, did they come at once or in waves? Did all of the Brethren who > came to the States firt go to Holland or was there still a colony in either > Schwarzenau? > > What I'm really trying to understand here is twofold. Where was my Michael > Miller with his wife Susanna Berchtol during this time. I know he was born > in Steinwenden Germany in 1692 and his wife in Ohmback Germany, and they > died in Maryland, he in 1771. They were married in Crottelbach Germany in > 1714. I'm trying to understand his migration pattern, where he was and what > he was doing during different periods of his life. > > The second thing I'm trying to determine is whether or not my Ferverda > family in Holland was Brethren before they arrived in the states, and if so, > could they have been part of this earlier group who stayed. Bauke Hendrick > Ferverda (also Ferveda, Ferwerda) was born in probably Leeuwarden in the > Netherlands in 1830, received his discharge from the military in 1863 and > immigrated directly from the Netherlands in 1863 to Elkhart County, Indiana. > He bought land among the Brethren and joined the Brethren church there. I > know the military service might indicate that he was not Brethren, but > perhaps it was mandatory. I don't know. I have always found it odd that he > would come to the middle of Northern Indiana and settle among the Brethren, > his children marrying Brethren church members if he wasn't Brethren before > coming. > > Is there any chruch history of a chruch in Leeuwarden or in Gronigan where > his father was born in 1768? > > Thank you, > > Roberta Estes > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008

At 3:35 PM -0500 2/17/08, Roberta J. Estes wrote: >[snip] >What I'm really trying to understand here is twofold. Where was my Michael >Miller with his wife Susanna Berchtol during this time. I know he was born >in Steinwenden Germany in 1692 and his wife in Ohmback Germany, and they >died in Maryland, he in 1771. They were married in Crottelbach Germany in >1714. I'm trying to understand his migration pattern, where he was and what >he was doing during different periods of his life. [snip] Quite a bit has been written about this Michael Miller (also known as Johann Michael Müller). He is my 6G grandfather. His father, Johann Michael Müller Sr, was born in Switzerland in 1655. He married about 1678 and moved to Germany about 1685, where he is listed as a member of the Steinwenden German Reformed Church. About 1693 he married a second time, and then in January 1695 he died, leaving his second wife with stepchild Johann Michael Jr, and perhaps other older siblings (for whom I have names but no birth/death information). Her second husband was Hans Jacob Stutzman, born about 1660. Through his own son's line, this man is my 8G grandfather. It does not appear that JMM was Brethren in Europe; in fact, there is a record of his baptism in the Reformed Church in Steinwenden on October 5, 1692. Godparents were Johann Michael Shoemaker, Hans Berchtol and wife. The oldest child of Johann Michael and his wife Susanna was baptized in the Reformed Church in 1715, indicating that at that time they were still adherents of the state church. I do not have records for any of the other children. Johann Michael Müller arrived in Philadelphia on October 2, 1727 on the ship Adventure Galley from Rotterdam, last from Plymouth, England, Capt. John Davies, accompanied by Jacob Berchtol, his wife's brother, Jacob Stutzman, his step-brother, and Hans Jacob Stutzman, his step-father. Johann Michael and his wife had seven children with them. Because some of the others are known Amish/Mennonites, and because some accounts include this statement, "They left Germany because of their opposition to military conscriptions of the times," it can be reasonably assumed that JMM had at least developed some anabaptist sympathies prior to arrival. JMM settled at Rapho Twp., Lancaster Co, PA. He moved to Hanover, York Co, PA 1744, to the Little Conewago Congregation, and lived in Washington Co, MD from 1745 until his death in 1771. At some point he became affiliated with the Brethren, perhaps prior to 1744 but I don't find a date for this. JMM's daughter Barbara, born in this country in 1733, married Johannes H. Garber in 1752. There is considerable information on Johann Michael Müller (Miller) and his descendants in an article by Wilbur Linder, published in Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists Newsletter, Vol. 20, No. 1, Spring, 1988. Also, see "Michael Miller of 1692" by Floyd R. Mason and Kathrin G. Mason, publ. 1986. Also, see the November 1997 issue of the Somerset Co, PA's "Laurel Messenger," p.334 for some Stutzman data. Most of my notes are from several years ago; I would be interested in what others have to contribute, or any corrections to the above. -- _________________ James Shuman jshuman@telis.org _________________