"Stinkee Becker" was the wife of "Felte (Valentin) Becker" listed as passengers (List A) on the Ship Allen in 1729. Who was she really? What was her maiden name? Research by George W. Andrews published in "Mennonite Family History" in October 1995 argues that her name was Christina [nee Stumpf] Becker. I have read the Andrews' article several times and it seems to have been researched and written very responsibly. Andrews could not arrive at a conclusion as to whether these Beckers were Brethren or Mennonite, although he did make links between Christina nee Stumpf and the Stumps who were associated with Peter Becker and with Conrad Beissel in Pennsylvania. Felte and Stinkee's presence on the Ship Allen also indicates that they may have had Brethren connections. Evangelisch church records of Krefeld in the Rheinland lists a 23 October 1723 marriage between Valentin Becker and Stintgen Frantzen. Could this have been the Stinkee and Felte Becker on the Ship Allen? Could Stintgen/Christina have been married twice, first to a Frantz and second to Valentine Becker? In his MFH article, Andrews states that there are 1684 and 1686 birth records for a Valentin Becker and a Christina Stumpf in the Marnheim parish baptismal registry, and he thinks this may be them, despite the fact that their known sons Peter and Arnold were not born until 1724 and 1726. The 1724 and 1726 birth years of the two known sons fit very well the 1723 marriage year in Krefeld. Also, Krefeld was where Peter Becker and his group set out from in 1719 in their move to Germantown. If Valentin Becker was also in Krefeld, he might have had a direct connection with Peter Becker. Dwayne Wrightsman

That became Juniata College in Huntingdon, Huntingdon County, PA. H. B. became President also. Jesse Davis > > CENTENNIAL SERMON. > BY ELD. H. B. BRUMBAUGH. > In Chapel of Normal College, Sunday, Sept. 18, 1887. --------------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM

Thanks for the Spanogle obituary. Andrew Spanogle was a brother-in-law of my g-g-grandfather Jacob Long Lutz (1800-1880). Just goes to show that what seems, at first glance, to be a one-on-one exchange of information, may be of interest to others. Dwight Farringer ----- Original Message ----- From: <ORWAHIST@aol.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Andrew Spanogle obituary > > The Pilgrim August 2, 1876 page 543 > SPANOGLE. – Died in the Aughwick church, Huntingdon Co., Pa., August 2d, > Eld. Andrew Spanogle, aged 83 years, 7 months and 19 days. > He leaves a wife and three sons and one daughter and many friends to > mourn > their loss, but hope it is his gain. Funeral occasion improved by the > brethren from 2d Timothy. 4: 7-8. He was nearly 50 years in the ministry > and over > 30 years ordained. He labored much in his younger years and now his work > will follow. J. G. Glock > > > In a message dated 2/19/2008 8:13:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > robmac@acsworld.com writes: > > Greetings, > > I am looking for an obituary for Andrew Spanogle of Mifflin and > Huntingdon > Counties in Pa. I believe it may be found in The Pilgrim, August 22, > 1876 > edition, page 543. Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > > Bob > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1285 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 5:50 AM

Thank you very much. Bob The Pilgrim August 2, 1876 page 543 > SPANOGLE. – Died in the Aughwick church, Huntingdon Co., Pa., August > 2d, > Eld. Andrew Spanogle, aged 83 years, 7 months and 19 days. > He leaves a wife and three sons and one daughter and many friends to > mourn > their loss, but hope it is his gain. Funeral occasion improved by the > brethren from 2d Timothy. 4: 7-8. He was nearly 50 years in the ministry > and over > 30 years ordained. He labored much in his younger years and now his work > will follow. J. G. Glock > >

There was an "ancient" Lilly family at Beaver Dam, when I pastored there - and another family with that name at my father's church in St Joe Co MI back about 1950 - I wonder if this is connected? Merle C Rummel > As a follow-up, there was a Marylis Lisley on the Ship Allen who was a > daughter of Peter Lisley. There were other Lisley women, some of them too > young to be listed. These Lisley women tended to become celibates at > Ephrata and died there along with a number of Lisley men, including their > father Peter.

Merle, was there ever an actual Brethren Church (with a name to have records available) in the southern borderline of Muhlenberg-Logan Counties, Kentucky - minister Francis Stump - period 1795-1805 ?? The exodus of most of the group of families who were Brethren seemed to have emigrated to Edgar County, Illinois about 1825. A member of the Rhoades (Rodes, Roads - perhaps given name Henry) family may have also been a minister there. Francis Stump died August 1801 and left a will. I'm now looking for a burial service or place of burial. Thank you, Liz Stump ----- Original Message ---- From: Merle C Rummel <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:26:14 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Christophel Kalckglasser, m. Maria Mack There was an "ancient" Lilly family at Beaver Dam, when I pastored there - and another family with that name at my father's church in St Joe Co MI back about 1950 - I wonder if this is connected? Merle C Rummel > As a follow-up, there was a Marylis Lisley on the Ship Allen who was a > daughter of Peter Lisley. There were other Lisley women, some of them too > young to be listed. These Lisley women tended to become celibates at > Ephrata and died there along with a number of Lisley men, including their > father Peter. ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To David Myers, In your earlier post on Maria Mack you spelled the Brumbaugh entry on page 68 as Maria Leisel (e before i). I just looked at my first edition Brumbaugh and see that he spelled it Liesel (i before e). Then I looked again at Alexander Mack Jr. and he spelled it (in German) as Lösel. So we have a total of three spellings: yours, Brumbaugh's, and Mack's. If these are second names and not surnames, Brumbaugh's spelling would be the same as Elizabeth in English. Mack's spelling would be the same as Nicolaus or Nicholas in English. Your Leisel is sometimes used as a given name but not as frequently as Liesel. I am now not as convinced that the name was a surname, especially in the context of Mack's entry of Mariahlösel. However, I have not been able to find the word/name Mariahlösel on the Internet. Dwayne Wrightsman

The Primitive Christian June 26, 1877 page 398 MACK. – Near Wamego, Kansas, on the 8th of September, 1876, Mary Mack, consort of Christian Mack, aged 90 years, 7 months and 5 days. The above name sister was born in Maryland near Tanytown, and emigrated to Penn’s in 1820, and resided there till after her husband’s death, which occurred about the year 1856, then in 1858 she came with me to Iowa, and in 1874 she came to Kansas with us. David B Teeter. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

I have found that the spelling of the name Shaeffer/Shaffer/Shafer/Shaver/Schaffer varies so much within even the same family over time, that it is hard to track families by the spelling of the name. There apparently was a large family of Shaffers living in the Shenandoah Valley, descended from a Berks County, Pennsylvania family. A John Shaffer and others. John Shafer Oakton, VA> From: bbjones@infinet.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:46:17 -0500> Subject: Re: [BRE] Shaffer/Shaeffer> > Wanda,> In your research, have you found the spelling 'Shaeffer'? My ancestors > came to OH before 1864 from Rockingham Co., VA. The family has used the > spelling 'Shaeffer' in OH. I have no idea how long the family had been in > Virginia but I suspect that they had been in PA. at one time. As many > people have found, the different spellings of the family name can slow you > down.> If you have any info that can shed a light on Jacob Shaeffer who > married Elizabeth Prop(b)st In Shenandoah Co., VA., I would appreciate > 'hearing' about it.> Jacob was born in Shenandoah Co., VA, in 1818. He died in Preble Co., > OH. In Ohio, the younger family members joined> the German Baptist Church. In later years, the family divided with some > going with the CoB and some going with the OGBB. (I believe this happened > with many families.) There are only a few of us still with the CoB. I have > some reunion pictures that show a variety of clothes worn by the family > members. Bonnie Leas Jones, OH> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wanda Barrett" <wanda713@yahoo.com>> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:04 AM> Subject: Re: [BRE] Wills Creek , Bedford County> > > > Does anyone know anything about the Dunkards at Will's Creek? A> > relative sent me a copy from a webpage about the congregation; they never > > built a house of worship, and no record of members can be found.> >> > My Andrew Shaffer family lived there before moving to Cambria County.> > Anyone with more on Shaffers or Wills Creek, I'd be happy to hear from.> >> > >> > Cordially,> > Wanda Barrett> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > > Search.> >> > ------------------------> > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> > ------------------------> > Support Our Sponsoring Agency> > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com> > ------------------------> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > > > > ------------------------> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> ------------------------> Support Our Sponsoring Agency> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com> ------------------------> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan

This is the closest I can come. >From Roann, IN 1853-1953 What is now the Roann COB was ordinarily a part of the Mexico church territory of near 250 square miles form Wabash River to Akron and the Lakteton Rd. to deedsville Rd. the church organized in 1855 with about 90 members and known as the Squirrel Creek German Baptist or Dunkard, church. In 1882 the Squirrel Creek church changed its name to Roann COB. In 1929 it moved to the south end of town in the vacated Presbyterian church. Wabash History 1884 books A meeting house was built by the German Baptist (Dunkard) near Roann, across the Eel River North from the town of Roann. 1864 Church # 2 Mount Chapel built in 1873 NW corner of section 28, township 29. Free for all to use for religious service. Prayer meetings held every Thursday evening, the dunkards (German Baptist) hold worship and have preaching at Mount Chapel every 3rd Sabbath in each month at 11:00 a.m. >From Ron Woodward, Wabash Historian wrote; At present I can find no source of information on the church you are speaking about. However, suggest you look at Helm's history of Wabash page 418, In the 1875 Wabash Co Atlas is a church less than 1/2 mile form Squirrel Creek located in the SW quarter of section 25 township 29 range 5. That is about 1 mile north of Roann.They organized in 1864 and very active until about 1878. Across the road was a school house which they shared with the Winebrenners Church. I believe this was called Bethel Chapel and may be the church you are looking for. If the article mentions any names check them against those buried in the Roann Community Cemetery (used to be 100 F Roann). The church was located near there and the cemetery was originally called Bethel Chapel cemetery hence the church with the same name. Squirrel Creek rises in Pleasant township in Flora Lake, flows into Lukens Lake then to Miami Co, back into Pleasant township and then into Paw Paw township exiting into the Eel River east of Stockdale. The creek took its name from Niconza an Indian Chief. Translation of the name means Squirrel. There is no one listed in the county of having this last name. No Quirl Creek on any maps. Church # 2 is probably the Niconza church that sits along the creek on the county line rd. It has change hands a few times. All three of these churches sit on or near Squirrel Creek. If you have any names or places mentioned in this article I can look them up with in the next few weeks. Dianna **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

David, As a follow-up, there was a Marylis Lisley on the Ship Allen who was a daughter of Peter Lisley. There were other Lisley women, some of them too young to be listed. These Lisley women tended to become celibates at Ephrata and died there along with a number of Lisley men, including their father Peter. In looking through the list of the Ephrata members, I cannot find the daughter named Marylis, nor can I find the name of Christopher Kalcklöser with the other Kalcklöser men and women who lived and died at Ephrata. Dwayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Christophel Kalckglasser, m. Maria Mack David, What Alexander Mack Jr. recorded in his list of deaths was (as transcribed in English): "Bro. Christopher Kalckloeser and his wife, the sister." (Source: The Day Book/Account Book of Alexander Mack, Jr. (1712-1803), Kutztown, The Pennsylvania German Society, 2004, p. 95. The transcription in German (p. 33) is much more interesting: "Br Christophel Kalckglöser und swin Weib die sh. Mariahlösel." This could explain the entry in Brumbaugh. Do you suspect that there were two marriages: first, Maria Mack, and second, Maria Leisel, or that there were two Christopher Kalckloesers? In my opinion, Christopher was married to Maria Mack when they came over on the Ship Allen. I say this for two reasons. First there is the matter of the marriage record which we have uncovered. Second there was the positioning of the wives and other women on the Ship: Maria [nee Mack?] Kalklieser was next to Anna Margaret Mackin who in turn was next to Phillipina Mackin (see List A). I believe that all three of these Mack women were sisters, although I don't know who their parents were. This Kalckglöser family is extremely difficult to figure out. If you look at Brumbaugh, p. 399, you will find a "Ludwig Kalckglaeser and wife" in a list of the early Conestoga Brethren. Their identities are explained by no one to my knowledge. Usually the men's names include Johann Heinrich, Christoffel, and Emmanuel.......but Ludwig?????? Who was he? Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [BRE] Christophel Kalckglasser, m. Maria Mack >I was wondering if anyone has information on the following reference. > > > "A History of the German Baptist Brethren in Europe" -- Brumbaugh (Google > Books), page 62. > > Christophel Kalckglasser, Alexander Mack, Jr., records his death in > America. > Marie Leisel Kalckglasser, wife of Christophel. > > > I am trying to do research on this couple and I've found that very little > has been done on them by Kalckglasser researchers. I looked through this > particular book and couldn't find any reference to Alexander Mack, Jr. > recording the death of Christophel. Does anyone have access to the > information on Christophel that Brumbaugh is referring to? I have a > feeling that whatever Alexander Mack, Jr. recorded would be very helpful > in my research. > > Thanks very much. > > David Myers

Burdge & Horst pg 150 references the Mt Zion Meeting house b. 1792 near the Beaver Creek Mennonist community (in Washington Co). This was also called Housers or Hausers by the Christian Newcomer. B&H "Apparently, as the Mennonist Congregation waned, the United Brethren and Dunkers took over the meetinghouse." [~1825?]. B&H pg 149 says "Joseph Thomas ... referred to it as Farneys after a prominent Dunker family in the Beaver Creek area" (1817). B&H pg 659 (in 1963) mentions the "unused Mount Zion Church of the Brethren at Beaver Creek...site of earlier Housers Mennonite Meetinghouse. "Benvola" is not known to me. Steve >> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:10:00 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [BRE] Meeting house in Washingotn Co., MD >> >> Does Benevola mean anything to you? The church was in Boonsboro. This is >> where I found this information: >> >> http://www.benevola.org/Pages/History_Doc.htm >> >> Do you think it's the same church? >> >> Beth Ann >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:41 PM >> Subject: [BRE] Meeting house in Washingotn Co., MD >> >> >> | List, >> | Can someone tell which congregation this meeting house belong to. >> | >> | . >> | The Gospel Messenger Feb. 12, 1889 page 110 >> | Dedication of Mt. Zion Church, Washington County, Md >> | Very near the spot where the old Mt. Zion church, or more commonly know >> as >> | Fahrney’s meeting-house, stood for about one hundred twenty-five years, >> with >> | it marks of age and dilapidation, now stands a new and substantial brick >> | house, 35x45 feet in size, with a seating capacity for three hundred >> fifty people. >> | >> | The necessity of building a new house at this place, as an assurance for >> the >> | continued protection and care of the grave-yard, immediately connected, >> has >> | long been felt. Etc >> | Dennis >> | Olympia, Wash >> | >> | >> | >> | **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy >> | Awards. Go to AOL Music. >> | (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) >> | >> | ------------------------ >> | Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> | ------------------------ >> | Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> | The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> | For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com >> | ------------------------ >> | >> | ------------------------------- >> | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008

Re: "Christian apparently was not a member, nor is there any claim that he was related to Alexander Mack. His immigrant father was Peter Mock of MD." According to the information I have on Peter Mock, Christian is not related to Peter. Christian is said to be confused with another man named Christopher according to this information, which states an early genealogy erroneously made Christopher and Christian the same person. The info makes no attempt to identify who Christian is. Bill Thomas

David, What Alexander Mack Jr. recorded in his list of deaths was (as transcribed in English): "Bro. Christopher Kalckloeser and his wife, the sister." (Source: The Day Book/Account Book of Alexander Mack, Jr. (1712-1803), Kutztown, The Pennsylvania German Society, 2004, p. 95. The transcription in German (p. 33) is much more interesting: "Br Christophel Kalckglöser und swin Weib die sh. Mariahlösel." This could explain the entry in Brumbaugh. Do you suspect that there were two marriages: first, Maria Mack, and second, Maria Leisel, or that there were two Christopher Kalckloesers? In my opinion, Christopher was married to Maria Mack when they came over on the Ship Allen. I say this for two reasons. First there is the matter of the marriage record which we have uncovered. Second there was the positioning of the wives and other women on the Ship: Maria [nee Mack?] Kalklieser was next to Anna Margaret Mackin who in turn was next to Phillipina Mackin (see List A). I believe that all three of these Mack women were sisters, although I don't know who their parents were. This Kalckglöser family is extremely difficult to figure out. If you look at Brumbaugh, p. 399, you will find a "Ludwig Kalckglaeser and wife" in a list of the early Conestoga Brethren. Their identities are explained by no one to my knowledge. Usually the men's names include Johann Heinrich, Christoffel, and Emmanuel.......but Ludwig?????? Who was he? Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [BRE] Christophel Kalckglasser, m. Maria Mack >I was wondering if anyone has information on the following reference. > > > "A History of the German Baptist Brethren in Europe" -- Brumbaugh (Google > Books), page 62. > > Christophel Kalckglasser, Alexander Mack, Jr., records his death in > America. > Marie Leisel Kalckglasser, wife of Christophel. > > > I am trying to do research on this couple and I've found that very little > has been done on them by Kalckglasser researchers. I looked through this > particular book and couldn't find any reference to Alexander Mack, Jr. > recording the death of Christophel. Does anyone have access to the > information on Christophel that Brumbaugh is referring to? I have a > feeling that whatever Alexander Mack, Jr. recorded would be very helpful > in my research. > > Thanks very much. > > David Myers

The Pilgrim August 2, 1876 page 543 SPANOGLE. – Died in the Aughwick church, Huntingdon Co., Pa., August 2d, Eld. Andrew Spanogle, aged 83 years, 7 months and 19 days. He leaves a wife and three sons and one daughter and many friends to mourn their loss, but hope it is his gain. Funeral occasion improved by the brethren from 2d Timothy. 4: 7-8. He was nearly 50 years in the ministry and over 30 years ordained. He labored much in his younger years and now his work will follow. J. G. Glock In a message dated 2/19/2008 8:13:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, robmac@acsworld.com writes: Greetings, I am looking for an obituary for Andrew Spanogle of Mifflin and Huntingdon Counties in Pa. I believe it may be found in The Pilgrim, August 22, 1876 edition, page 543. Can anyone help? Thanks, Bob ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Debbie, Thanks for writing. No, I haven't found Shaeffer spelling our "tree" or "orchard". I do know that between about 1830 -1850, Andrew and Sarah Cain Shaffer were in Bedford County, Londonderry Twp. Other Shaffers are there -- including, I believe, a Jacob. But as the wife's name wasn't used in census until 1850, I can't say we could be talking about the same one. Some Shaffers came from Somerset County, too -- maybe some of them spelled it Shaeffer. In Cambria County there was a Jacob Shaffer and wife -- you might check them out in Cambria County. One dominant feature about our families is that most have TWINS. My g-grandfather, a son of Andrew and Sarah, was a twin; his brothes Samuel and George, Jr., have twins, too -- and I believe the Jacob I found in Cambria County has twins -- not sure about those in Bedford, though there are children in the same age groups that could be twins. Although no twins are in my direct linage after my g-grandfdather -- except for a 3rd cousin who had twins -- there are still twins being born in others mentioned. Gary Shaffer lives in W. VA -- he has twin brothers. So, I'm sorry -- after all that -- I don't know of any that went on to Ohio. Cordially, Wanda --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

I was wondering if anyone has information on the following reference. "A History of the German Baptist Brethren in Europe" -- Brumbaugh (Google Books), page 62. Christophel Kalckglasser, Alexander Mack, Jr., records his death in America. Marie Leisel Kalckglasser, wife of Christophel. I am trying to do research on this couple and I've found that very little has been done on them by Kalckglasser researchers. I looked through this particular book and couldn't find any reference to Alexander Mack, Jr. recording the death of Christophel. Does anyone have access to the information on Christophel that Brumbaugh is referring to? I have a feeling that whatever Alexander Mack, Jr. recorded would be very helpful in my research. Thanks very much. David Myers

Wanda, In your research, have you found the spelling 'Shaeffer'? My ancestors came to OH before 1864 from Rockingham Co., VA. The family has used the spelling 'Shaeffer' in OH. I have no idea how long the family had been in Virginia but I suspect that they had been in PA. at one time. As many people have found, the different spellings of the family name can slow you down. If you have any info that can shed a light on Jacob Shaeffer who married Elizabeth Prop(b)st In Shenandoah Co., VA., I would appreciate 'hearing' about it. Jacob was born in Shenandoah Co., VA, in 1818. He died in Preble Co., OH. In Ohio, the younger family members joined the German Baptist Church. In later years, the family divided with some going with the CoB and some going with the OGBB. (I believe this happened with many families.) There are only a few of us still with the CoB. I have some reunion pictures that show a variety of clothes worn by the family members. Bonnie Leas Jones, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Barrett" <wanda713@yahoo.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Wills Creek , Bedford County > Does anyone know anything about the Dunkards at Will's Creek? A > relative sent me a copy from a webpage about the congregation; they never > built a house of worship, and no record of members can be found. > > My Andrew Shaffer family lived there before moving to Cambria County. > Anyone with more on Shaffers or Wills Creek, I'd be happy to hear from. > > > > Cordially, > Wanda Barrett > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Ludwick Sharrer, intestate filed Jan Court 1833 in Frederick County MD, dec'd of Taney Town, one of eight heirs was Mary wife of Christian Mock. [Equity Court, JS-13, pp 258-266]. Christian and Mary Mock's daughter Margaret Mock Teeter's obit in the Wamego Reporter reads, 'Margaret Teeter was born near Hagerstown, Maryland, in 1817. With her parents she moved in infancy to Bedford county, Pennsylvania. She was married to David B. Teeter in 1834, and in 1847, with her husband moved to Jefferson county, Iowa. In 1874 the family moved to Wamego....' 1870 census P.O. Fairfield, Des Moines twp, Jefferson County IA lists Mary Mack [sic] age 84 born in MD in the household of David B. & Margaret Teter [sic]. The widowed Mary Mock accompanied her daughter and family on to near Wamego KS where she died 8 Sep 1877. I question the statement that Christian was apparently not a member of the Mock Fraternity of German Baptist at the time of his death in 1855. Seems strange that he would have donated the land for the meeting house and be buried in the adjoining cemetery and not be a member. Milton, thanks for leading me to the Mock site on RootsWeb. It helped tremendiously in my searching for the somewhat illusive David B[urger] Teeter family. Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: <m.cook1@juno.com> To: <Brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:13 AM Subject: [BRE] Mock Church, Bedford Co, PA > If you google Mock Family Historian, you will find information about > several Mock families with several spellings. Included in that site is > extensive information on Alexander Mack, but there are many other families > of Swiss and German background. > In the Family Album section is a picture of Mock's Church. There is a > short explanation concerning Christian Mock who gave it to the Brethren. > His wife Mary Shearer was a member of Dunnings Creek Congregation of the > Brethren. Christian apparently was not a member, nor is there any claim > that he was related to Alexander Mack. His immigrant father was Peter > Mock of MD. > Milton Cook

Greetings, I am looking for an obituary for Andrew Spanogle of Mifflin and Huntingdon Counties in Pa. I believe it may be found in The Pilgrim, August 22, 1876 edition, page 543. Can anyone help? Thanks, Bob